How is Madara still alive with Kakashi outthere?

[xKiD SPiiD3rMaN]

I do not know why you would make such a vague assumption when the manga clearly states differently. Hashirama's and Tobirama's hype was always seen as an amazement. There was no retcon, the Edo-Tensei was simply upgraded.

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It was later explained that people refused to believe in Hashirama's hype/power and preferred to take it as a myth, thus leaving it all to Hiruzen. Hashirama and Tobirama were always know as The Lords / Shinobi-no-Kami even during Orochimaru's confrontation with Hiruzen. Everything else you've written is either speculation or you attempting to be Masashi: ​

But please look at what you are saying, PLEASE look at what you are saying.

You are taking that scan from whatever chapter that was almost a decade ago and feeding into my point.

When the Edo Tensei was used there was no "weak" or "strong" Edo Tensei. It was just Shodaime and Nidaime being revived. No one said anything about their strength and at the time it was not being put into question that they were weaker.

And even then they received praise right? But Tobirama wasn't using FTG and Hashirama wasn't using sage mode or anything else, right? Because at the time they were meant to be strong, but not on this level that they are now.

With the part 2 powerscaling, Kishi easily recognized this and came up with a reason for them being weakened. And that is my point.

You try to use explanations inside of the manga to justify your theories and it's nothing wrong with that, but all Im saying to you is that there are real world and in manga explanations for some instances in the manga.

The real world explanation for Shodaime and Nidaime being weaker against Hiruzen was because Kishi introduced them into the story before the prt 2 powerscaling.

The manga explanation was that ET was not mastered at the time.

The real world explanation for Obito not phasing when the Juubi was inside of him, was because he needed to be able to be hit somehow.

The manga explanation is what you and some others are trying to come up with.

OffTopic: I know these discussions get a little heated sometimes, but I do not harbor any bad blood against you or your opinion. Just like talking about Naruto and Naruto related things.

 

[Waltz]

xKiD SPiiD3rMaN, I am not going to repetitively reiterate myself: Kamui and it's variation's are all fixated with Obito's Mangekyo Sharingan. Obito and Kakashi are utilizing the Same jutsu meaning that they run on the same principles. Kakashi already warped himself and Obito already used Kamui at long range to save the Mazou's head. I would suggest your very what you are saying canonically before making nonsensical posts. ​

 

[xKiD SPiiD3rMaN]

xKiD SPiiD3rMaN, I am not going to repetitively reiterate myself: Kamui and it's variation's are all fixated with Obito's Mangekyo Sharingan. Obito and Kakashi are utilizing the Same jutsu meaning that they run on the same principles. Kakashi already warped himself and Obito already used Kamui at long range to save the Mazou's head. I would suggest your very what you are saying canonically before making nonsensical posts. ​

Yet all of that meant nothing, because your theory is predicated on the Juubi being unable to be warped, yet the only thing you can not explain is the fact that Kakashi was trying to warp it and Obito had to remove him from the battlefield to stop him from warping it. Without that manga fact, your theory does hold up though.
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When did I say anything about Kakashi and Obito not using the same jutsu?

CLEARLY Obito has the passive ability to phase ( when his body parts are transferred to the Kamui dimension) and the ability to warp (denoted by the swirling pattern he either is absorbed by or emerges from).

While Kakashi's warps (swirling pattern)

Trust me. I know what Kamui is and how it works. Thank you.

 

[TheCCV]

This is just another glass half empty half full situation.

Some people call it plot, I just call it good storytelling.

 

[xKiD SPiiD3rMaN]

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There's nothing else of interest here. ​

lol maybe I should have put your theory in bold? It is not a fact that the Juubi can't be warped. It is a fact that Obito can't phase when he is it's jin.

So you can facepalm yourself all you want lol.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Kakashi: Kamui !
Madara: *New special Rinnegan technique which can cancel holes in Space time or something*
Kakashi: oh shit....

Kishi: Surprised, but where all of you my manga fans were when I was stating Rinnegan is Supreme Doujutsu.

^^ Imao, just try if you wish Kakashi

 

[TrollingSage]

Having a Hax technique doesn't equate to being strongest.

The time it would take Kakashi to focus and project Kamui, Madara would have already evaded his line of sight as he is faster than Ē or via Mokuton-Bunshin. ​

Lel What a load of horse poo. Madara fanboys are truely hilarious. Madara is too fast for Kamui. Are you talking about the kamui that warped a susano arrow from close range, or the kamui that warped a Naruto clone so fast that Obito, with his sharingan active mistook it for the clone disappearing. It's obvious Kishi is restricting Kakashi. When Kakashi eventually faces Madara, he's just going to invent some never seen before rinnegan ability to enable Madara to counter it.

 

[Dantee]

You do realize Kishi could just pull something out of his ass so Madara can cancel Kamui. It's not that difficult for Kishi anymore.

 

[Aya San]

Madara has intel on it, and it's "nothing I can't handle" for him.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Rinbo hengoku possibly faster then kamui and clearly would end kakashi.
Madara can counter it in various ways as well.

My two cents on whole Jin obito kamui problem: I think juubi negates MS powers.
MS is external power to juubi unlike sharingan and rinnegan that can be seen in juubi's eye pattern.
Rikudou wasnt mentioned to have any MS or even sharingan abilities.

 

[iNotorious]

Rinbo hengoku possibly faster then kamui and clearly would end kakashi.
Madara can counter it in various ways as well.

My two cents on whole Jin obito kamui problem: I think juubi negates MS powers.
MS is external power to juubi unlike sharingan and rinnegan that can be seen in juubi's eye pattern.
Rikudou wasnt mentioned to have any MS or even sharingan abilities.

Maybe because she juubi wasn't perfect... i dunno, a theory though.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Maybe because she juubi wasn't perfect... i dunno, a theory though.

I think its because MS unlike normal sharingan is a power of the user rather then a power derived from juubi.
In other words sharingan mutated into MS and is no longer compatible with juubi jin.

 

[iNotorious]

I think its because MS unlike normal sharingan is a power of the user rather then a power derived from juubi.
In other words sharingan mutated into MS and is no longer compatible with juubi jin.

that makes sense to me

 

[miromiro]

well cant say I dont agree.. continue. =D

Troll detected.

derailing ?

okay , *ahem* , you said "So, you just derailed the topic for such a thing? Lmao, speechless." , right ?

Lmfao , ofc I came here to have fun with dumbasses like you , I didn't come here because Im ordered to . Lol

You just confirmed that you're a half-life idiot. Go ahead and make yourself look more like one, it's entertaining.

I don't see how a ninjutsu-absobing tech absorbs a space/time tech. It makes no sense. Kamui opens a whole into another dimension.

There's nothing to be absorbed.

Nevertheless, Madara is too pro for Kamui. Preta Path countering Kamui is a sh*t argument though.

No it's not at all. Think logically. It's Space-Time Ninjutsu. Any kind of Ninjutsu can be absorbed by Preta Path, I don't see why this would be an exception. Basically, the wormhole that sucks you in is chakra / ninjutsu. Absorb that and you countered Kamui. Any ninjutsu that doesn't use elements can be absorbed. And I'm referring to elements themselves - indeed you can't absorb Mokuton, or Suiton's water.