How is hashirama one of the strongest?

[spencer868]

OK, I know about how everyone goes on about how the first hokage is one of the strongest shinobi that ever lived, but does that really make sense? Here are my reasons:
1. During the leaf invasion story, the third hokage (who was beyond his prime) deafeated an IMMORTAL hashirama relatively easily, along with an immortal second hokage.
2. According to Kakuzu, he killed the first hokage and stole his heart. If Kakuzu was killed by Naruto alone from just one jutsu hit, that doesn't say too much about Kakuzu's strength, and therefore the first hokage's.

There could be valid reasons behind both of those, but the way I see it, hashirama's strength is waaaay exaggerated or it could be that Madara was pretty weak when he first fought him and got superbuffed from getting his cells

 

[Kettei]

Fail thread.kakuzi didn't kill him he fought him.Orochimaru didn't use all of his powers.

 

[Wolfang714]

Kakuzu never killed Hashirama. That's why he was banished from the Hidden Waterfall because he failed to kill Hashi.

 

[Migualon J.J.]

to 1) Oro's Edo is only as strong as the user of it knows abilities of the person he revived, so Hashirama was hardly in half of his strength

to 2) Kakuzu didn't kill Hashirama, nor stolen his heart, he only said he fought him, nothing more

 

[Netsui]

For the first one, it is said that since Orochimaru was in complete control of them that Hashirama and Tobirama weren't at their full strength. And just imagine Madara with just EMS and Rinnegan. Getting Hashirama's cells in Edo form wouldn't turn a weakling into someone like that. I'm not sure if that is true, but I believe it because the way we see Madara fight and how he talks about Hashirama, I have to believe that Hashirama was way stronger than what we saw in part 1.

And with Kakuzu Naruto didn't do it alone. He had a lot of help. And I don't remember it saying Kakuzu took his heart. I only remember him saying he fought Hashirama. o.o

 

[ArealSHINOBIbro]

this thread is a fail... in alot of ways...

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

It is thought that Oro's edo wasn't as strong so the people he revived didn't fight at their best. Kakuzu fought Hashi and then ran the hell away.

 

[youngdolce]

epic fail, douche. and failed threads are ugly. especially your thread.

 

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[yuan of cruxis]

Hashirama isnt in the top ten

 

[Prime Rib]

lmfao the first hokage is one of the best cause of his wood release and his healing abilities. kakazui from the akat fought him but he lost cause hashirama wood release was so might compared to him.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

1. You realize the fight with Hiruzen was over 10 years ago right? It's probably more that Kishimoto didn't have his powers as well elaborated on.

2. Kabuto, who has mass knowledge of the Shinobi world, said Hashirama's strength was fabled as was the Sage.

3. Arrogant Uchiha Madara stated the the five Kage were weak compared to hm.

4. I don't care what was said earlier, I personally think Hashirama was the strongest of the five Hokage, and the strongest of his era.

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

OK, I know about how everyone goes on about how the first hokage is one of the strongest shinobi that ever lived, but does that really make sense? Here are my reasons:
1. During the leaf invasion story, the third hokage (who was beyond his prime) deafeated an IMMORTAL hashirama relatively easily, along with an immortal second hokage.
2. According to Kakuzu, he killed the first hokage and stole his heart. If Kakuzu was killed by Naruto alone from just one jutsu hit, that doesn't say too much about Kakuzu's strength, and therefore the first hokage's.

There could be valid reasons behind both of those, but the way I see it, hashirama's strength is waaaay exaggerated or it could be that Madara was pretty weak when he first fought him and got superbuffed from getting his cells

#1. Orochimaru used an imperfect version of Edo Tensei that wasnt even as strong as Kabuto's current version. In other words, Hashi in this case was controlled fully by Orochimaru and therefore only a small percentage of as powerful as he was ALIVE. #Fail

#2. Who the hell told you the 1st was killed by kakuzu. #DOUBLEFail





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[CDT23]

o wow... still laughing after reading this... does healing with out handsigns, at one time had all the tailed beast and one of the few able to control the 9 tails mean nothing to you? imma let it go cuz ur new tho :]

 

[sacredjutsu]

hashirama is the strongest ninja even kishimoto said so if u disagree then ur jst playing dumb

 

[Sage of Infinity Paths]

Hashirama defeated Madara and Nine Tails.
He is so powerful

 

[alakai200]

OK, I know about how everyone goes on about how the first hokage is one of the strongest shinobi that ever lived, but does that really make sense? Here are my reasons:
1. During the leaf invasion story, the third hokage (who was beyond his prime) deafeated an IMMORTAL hashirama relatively easily, along with an immortal second hokage.
2. According to Kakuzu, he killed the first hokage and stole his heart. If Kakuzu was killed by Naruto alone from just one jutsu hit, that doesn't say too much about Kakuzu's strength, and therefore the first hokage's.

There could be valid reasons behind both of those, but the way I see it, hashirama's strength is waaaay exaggerated or it could be that Madara was pretty weak when he first fought him and got superbuffed from getting his cells

Hashirama wasn't at full strength in edo form, also Kakuzu failed to defeat Hashirama.

 

[TheLegendarySage]

Chuck Norris will beat the crap out of hashirama

#fail

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Hashirama isnt in the top ten

Ummm read the manga like:

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[Ghostofthewind]

For the first one, it is said that since Orochimaru was in complete control of them that Hashirama and Tobirama weren't at their full strength. And just imagine Madara with just EMS and Rinnegan. Getting Hashirama's cells in Edo form wouldn't turn a weakling into someone like that. I'm not sure if that is true, but I believe it because the way we see Madara fight and how he talks about Hashirama, I have to believe that Hashirama was way stronger than what we saw in part 1.

And with Kakuzu Naruto didn't do it alone. He had a lot of help. And I don't remember it saying Kakuzu took his heart. I only remember him saying he fought Hashirama. o.o

I love how everyone says that Hashirama wasn't at full strength when Orochimaru summoned him. While that is true, originally it was a plotwhole. Kishi just plugged it recently because he knew it would make no sense if The Professor beat the 2nd and 1st plus Orochimaru. It was sloppy writing and broke the theme that the younger generations surpass the previous one.