[Theory] How Hashirama and Tobirama were killed

[lelerskates]

Kages are not featless. They are the strongest shinobi of their nations elected by the people through their feats.

And the third is said to be the god of shinobi greater than the rest, but look at him compared to Hashirama. Nothing. 2 Low Kage level ninja vs Hashi is not happening.

 

[ssjelf]

And the third is said to be the god of shinobi greater than the rest, but look at him compared to Hashirama. Nothing. 2 Low Kage level ninja vs Hashi is not happening.

Lol we only saw the old hiruzen. We only recently saw that he can even use all 5 elements in his old state. It is heavily implies he was too old to be fighting a kage level battle. He was called the god for a reason.

Secondly, hashi is no god. Madara couldn't withstand all the 5 kage even with rinnegan. Given he didn't lose he was also edo, and got messed up before he even had a chance to use PS or his best techs by Gaara and naruto. Hed be dead if he didn have rinnegan. but edo saved him and so did wood release and rinnegan. The man feats of Hashi we have seen in edo as well, with infinite chakra and presumed full power because orochimaru had everything to finally bring him back at 100 percent. With infinite chakra hashi wrecks, without it, he isn't unbeatable.

And finally 2 low level kage my ass. They were extemely strong to be sure, especially the first raikage given that he was even brought to that meeting. A low level kage is someone like gaara who hasnt reached prime. I honestly don't think that a low level kage even exists because we haven't seen an of them fight each other. The most we have seen is edo kage and the ones vs Madara who each kicked butt. Beyond that, 2 low level kage are still very strong and they probably even brought some of their greatest fighters and hashi may have been emotionally weakened by his fight with madara. if you dont give Hashi time for sage mode, then there isnt mush he can do against 2 kage.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Then do not state that they weren't as if it were dogma.

Called the "Kinkaku" force.

Hiruzen and Minato were Hokage at the same time and Hiruzen was middle-aged when Minato became Hokage. And it is unknown how long the first war was, and whether or not both Hashirama and Tobirama were a part of it.

You do, considering you replied to my thread and are currently debating with me over it.

Like Kumogakure during a war.

That's why this is a theory thread. I never stated it was fact. I hypothesized it because Hashirama had to have died from someone and the Raikages with their lightning armor sounds plausible. There is no need to get snarky with me just because I think critically and different from you.

That's the same as saying the current gokage rely on themselves not being bastards as well as anyone else calls for a compromise in order to end war, conflict, carnage and genocide.

Here is a picture of team Kakashi.

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Clearly the squad name is not evidence for it's members.

I really don't care how Hashirama died.

How could Konoha keep it's reputation if the Cloud Village killed two Hokage's in one war.

It's still pretty damm unlikely that all 4 raikages would use the same techniques.

It is common for the villages to gang up on anyone who has been weakened by a war. Muu tells Onoki to take advantage of the country's being weakened by the 4th shinobi world war.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Here is a picture of team Kakashi.

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Clearly the squad name is not evidence for it's members.

And that means what to me?

I really don't care how Hashirama died.

If you didn't care you wouldn't have responded and you wouldn't be responding to me after this sentence, which you are. Would you like me to state it a third time or have you lost your degree in logic and reasoning?

How could Konoha keep it's reputation if the Cloud Village killed two Hokage's in one war.

Because they had Hiruzen and Danzou who were implied to be Kage level when Tobirama was killed. The fact remains they both died around the same time. Their ages are exactly the same and Hiruzen knew both of them. Furthermore, I never stated the Kinkaku force or the Raikages survived the fights.

It's still pretty damm unlikely that all 4 raikages would use the same techniques.

Orochimaru and Minato used Tobirama's techniques.

It is common for the villages to gang up on anyone who has been weakened by a war. Muu tells Onoki to take advantage of the country's being weakened by the 4th shinobi world war.

Mu is a relic of the past who died sixty some years ago and only cared for obtaining jutsus and protecting one village rather than the people as a whole. He is dead and Onoki is now the Tsuchikage. Like the rest of the kages, he wishes to end war and conflict rather than exacerbating it, or at least lessen it like Hiruzen and Hashirama did through compromise, trade, allyship and long lasting peaces.

 

[kageking]

FONT=Arial][/FONT]We know how tobirama died, although I do agree having seen his power as an edo I think it's all plot no jutsu. Hashirama must have succumbed to either illness or some side effect of mokuton that drastically shortened his natural lifespan ( like how naruto s kyuubi modes were said to, it makes sense, mokuton uses chakra as the source of life so perhaps using it takes away from ones own life, even a senju). What I really want to see is who their descendants are of the brothers as they must be awesome shinobi too. I have a feeling the hatake family are related to tobirama.

 

[Imperius]

Plot or Aids

This.

There's no way for Hashirama to ever die at that time.