[Theory] How Hashirama and Tobirama were killed

[SkyGodHorus]

Tobirama was stated to have been overwhelmed by the Kinkaku force. My theory behind how he died was Tobirama had already been weakened by the gold and silver brothers and that Kinkaku's forces consisted of shinobi who used the Raikage's lightning armor with a Kyuubi Kinkaku and Gyuuki's jinchuriki possibly shrouded in it.

It is similar with Hashirama. I believe that Hashirama went to battle with the first and Second Raikages in the first war, was physically or emotionally weakened from his fight with Madara and that their lighting armor and possibly Gyuuki's jinchuriki were able to overpower him.

 

[Dark Link]

Plot or Aids

 

[The Great Second Hokage]

I'm not quite sure...My brother and I were great shinobi....maybe it's best if the world doesn't know our true fate.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

No, they were just really strong. The KinGin bro's were uninvolved.

Hashirama wouldn't go to war so soon after setting up the system. I'm guessing he died of Plot, and the other nations though Konoha was weak and tried to curbstomp them. If he died in battle we would have heard about it.

The raikage's dont all just use Lightning armour.

 

[scorezor]

Tobirama was stated to have been overwhelmed by the Kinkaku force. My theory behind how he died was Tobirama had already been weakened by the gold and silver brothers and that Kinkaku's forces consisted of shinobi who used the Raikage's lightning armor with a Kyuubi Kinkaku and Gyuuki's jinchuriki possibly shrouded in it.

It is similar with Hashirama. I believe that Hashirama went to battle with the first and Second Raikages in the first war, was physically or emotionally weakened from his fight with Madara and that their lighting armor and possibly Gyuuki's jinchuriki were able to overpower him.

yet you see him talking about peace and giving tail beasts to the other lands.

 

[UchihaHood1]

your 2nd hokage theory sounds legit in a sense.. but i think Madara killed or sealed the 1st hokage.. Hashirama beat him multiple times, but in the long run, it was Madara who lived 200 or so years later, found obito n set his plans in motion.. attached to the tree or so that the 1st n now Yamato are now sealed in.. Ayyeee.!! Uchiha Swag

 

[PYROVT]

there might be 100's of hypothesis but we will never know , the great mysteries of naruto

i for one have realised that there will be many such great mysteries

like

1 - hiruzen' true might

2 - death of hashirama

3 - death of tobirama

4 - minato's chakra affinity

5 - secrets of the rds

6 - madara's ass pull no eyed susanoo explanation

so on and so forth

OH wait the greatest mystery will be

""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" RASEN SENKOU CHOURINBU KOUSANSHIKI"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""\

 

[Yuse]

something will always be a mystery

 

[The Rower]

It is kinda weird that we still don't know how "The God Of Shinobi" died..

Isn't that something we should already know? not even a hint? its not even talked about in the entire manga...

Wouldn't naruto or someone ask to someone "Hey BTW how did Senju Hashirama die....you know.. The God of Shinobi!?

lol

 

[its a plot]

Might be...might be not.

 

[KLhunter]

Thsi thread has been discuss more than 100 time already in the past... As long Manga doesn't reveal it, cause of the death still keep unknown... based on the past, mostly answer will came to surface was made based on own assumption + own imagination without any concrete proof & fact, even manga shown others but people still spin it with their imagination...

 

[SkyGodHorus]

The KinGin bro's were uninvolved.

There's no proof of that.

Hashirama wouldn't go to war so soon after setting up the system.

There were three other shinobi wars before this one, Tobirama at least was stated to die in the first and Tsunade stated Hashirama died protecting Konoha.

I'm guessing he died of Plot,

What I just theorized was a plot.

and the other nations though Konoha was weak and tried to curbstomp them. If he died in battle we would have heard about it.

Tsunade stated he did.

The raikage's dont all just use Lightning armour.

The third and forth do and there is no proof that the first and second did not.

yet you see him talking about peace and giving tail beasts to the other lands.

It's not his fault the Cloud have consistently been a deceitful, greedy, warmongering nation.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

your 2nd hokage theory sounds legit in a sense.. but i think Madara killed or sealed the 1st hokage.. Hashirama beat him multiple times, but in the long run, it was Madara who lived 200 or so years later, found obito n set his plans in motion.. attached to the tree or so that the 1st n now Yamato are now sealed in.. Ayyeee.!! Uchiha Swag

I thought of Madara going after him with his mokuton clone, but Edo Hashirama made it clear the clones were news to him when he stated, "so you've been busy while I was gone."

If Hashirama had been sealed, Orochimaru would not have been able to summon him.

And approximately eighty years have passed since the founding of Konoha, not two-hundred lols.

 

[lelerskates]

The third and forth do and there is no proof that the first and second did not.

And there's no proof that they did, so you're just proving that they are feat-less and would both get soloed by Hashirama neg diff.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

There's no proof of that.



There were three other shinobi wars before this one, Tobirama at least was stated to die in the first and Tsunade stated Hashirama died protecting Konoha.



What I just theorized was a plot.



Tsunade stated he did.



The third and forth do and there is no proof that the first and second did not.



It's not his fault the Cloud have consistently been a deceitful, greedy, warmongering nation.

Nor is there proof that they were. What there is, however, is a statement by Tobirama that they are Ninja from Kumo, not Rouge Ninja, even if they are from Kumo.

The First Shinobi world war was the one Tobirama died in, and if Tobirama is Hokage, then Hashirama has to be dead since he wasn't old enough to retire.

Who cares how Hashirama died, i only care about what happened after.

And who said he was defending Konoha from Kumogakure? He might have died of wounds from madara, or anything that threatens the village.

With no evidence of their power, you can't just declare them to use the lightning armour.

It really is his fault, since he relied on people not being bastards.

 

[KLhunter]

Haaa haaa ... As I said earlier, now everybody make their own conclusion based on own assumption, calculation & imagination.......Zzz

 

[SkyGodHorus]

And there's no proof that they did, so you're just proving that they are feat-less and would both get soloed by Hashirama neg diff.

Kages are not featless. They are the strongest shinobi of their nations elected by the people through their feats.

 

[ssjelf]

I thought the Kin/Gin brothers were involved in the death of the second. that they ambushed him in a meeting with the 2nd raikage and that they were rogue ninja at that point. They also showed Tobirama giving the title of kage to Hiruzen when he went to face them. So, yes they did kill Tobirama.

Edit: killed by the kinkaku force. Kinkaku was rogue at this point and given the name it was clearly a band of rogue ninjas lead by him.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Nor is there proof that they were.

Then do not state that they weren't as if it were dogma.

What there is, however, is a statement by Tobirama that they are Ninja from Kumo, not Rouge Ninja, even if they are from Kumo.

Called the "Kinkaku" force.

The First Shinobi world war was the one Tobirama died in, and if Tobirama is Hokage, then Hashirama has to be dead since he wasn't old enough to retire.

Hiruzen and Minato were Hokage at the same time and Hiruzen was middle-aged when Minato became Hokage. And it is unknown how long the first war was, and whether or not both Hashirama and Tobirama were a part of it.

Who cares how Hashirama died, i only care about what happened after.

You do, considering you replied to my thread and are currently debating with me over it.

And who said he was defending Konoha from Kumogakure? He might have died of wounds from madara, or anything that threatens the village.

Like Kumogakure during a war.

With no evidence of their power, you can't just declare them to use the lightning armour.

That's why this is a theory thread. I never stated it was fact. I hypothesized it because Hashirama had to have died from someone and the Raikages with their lightning armor sounds plausible. There is no need to get snarky with me just because I think critically and different from you.

It really is his fault, since he relied on people not being bastards.

That's the same as saying the current gokage rely on themselves not being bastards as well as anyone else calls for a compromise in order to end war, conflict, carnage and genocide.

 

[ssjelf]

^Hashirama and Tobirama were both shown with Hiruzen at one point. Hiruzen was about the same age that he was when he was shown with Tobirama. From this I think he more than likely died at the very beginning of the first war. if not, then his death at the hands of some village sparked it.

Edit: maybe not the exact technieu that killed tobirama, but definetely possible. I also think that it is likely that it was the first and second raikage that killed hashirama. Because Tobirama went to specifically make peace with them. Probably to put an end to the war with the people who had started it by killing his brother. He was then ambushed by the kin/gin brothers in what I think was not a coup'd'tat but a strategic ploy by the 2nd raikage. The brothers failed so they naturally called it a coup to shift blame. You know for the better of the village you sacrifice one of your one. Similar to itachi.

If they succeeded well then that was that, but clearly they didn't so it was called a coup. Moving on into the later years, they were secretly told by the raikage to eliminate the 2nd hokage once again. This time they succeeded. Also they clearly had knowledge of the 3rd raikages techniques, which makes sense if they were still on good but secret terms with the village. Given their seemingly close ties with the raikages, i bet that they had their techniques given to them as well.