How far can Naruto verse go outside of verse?

[China IL]

From looking outside from the inside, it looks like Naruto Chars are totally in their own league(main chars). But that's for all animes, the plot demands a powerful group. If Naruto Verse was placed in different Verse, could they win/survive? The ideal verses would be the other two of the Big Three.

One Piece

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Bleach

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[The Sach]

They will solo One Piece verse, I doubt about Bleach though.

 

[sagemode07]

They will solo One Piece verse, I doubt about Bleach though.

How can they solo Logias?

 

[Cursed Prince]

Bleach Verse rapes them so hard, OP verse gets beaten I think

 

[Fireplay]

OPverse is full of hax. NV>OP and Bleachverse but logia will be a problem.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Currently naruto is considered to be the most powerful out of the HST.

 

[Fireplay]

Currently naruto is considered to be the most powerful out of the HST.

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Inb4Aizen-samasolos

 

[China IL]

5 srongest atm in Narutoverse

Naruto

Sasuke

Hashirama

Madara

Minato

(Juubito doesn't need to be mentoned)

 

[P3ĮÑ]

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Inb4Aizensolos

Well pretty much, they have island level+ to country level++ characters, the top tiers, like Juubi and the sage, are above Continetal. Creating a moon on a deathbed is no small feat, a moon in comparison to earth is 1/4th it's size and that's above continental

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Yeah, probably gonna get flamed, but this is NB man

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[China IL]

Well pretty much, they have island level+ to country level++ characters, the top tiers, like Juubi and the sage, are above Continetal. Creating a moon on a deathbed is no small feat, a moon in comparison to earth is 1/4th it's size and that's above continental

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Can't use SO6p since we have not seen him on panel except for in flashbacks/converstions. You can't speak of what you don't know.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Can't use SO6p since we have not seen him on panel except for in flashbacks/converstions. You can't speak of what you don't know.

Wrong, it's been confirmed he created a moon on his deathbed, he did this feat. What suggests you that he didnt?

 

[China IL]

Wrong, it's been confirmed he created a moon his deathbed, he did this feat. What suggests you that he didnt?

Not saying he didn't, just saying we barely know of any of his other feats. Anything up to this point would just be assumptions made up of tiny bits of information. Can we stick to the facts please? Things that have actually been told as fact?

 

[~Zonta~]

Akainu is more than enough to deal with them U_U

Bleach meh not sure but Aizen will be a problem he might join Naruto verse cause it will be new test subjects

 

[China IL]

Akainu is more than enough to deal with them U_U

Bleach meh not sure but Aizen will be a problem he might join Naruto verse cause it will be new test subjects

Aizen may use them as test subjects, be he stays true to his plan, never selling out.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Not saying he didn't, just saying we barely know of any of his other feats. Anything up to this pint would just be assumptions made up of tiny bits of information. Can we stick to the facts please? Things that have actually been told as fact?

Even keeping feats in consideration, the naruto verse recently has been scaled to island level+ characters in DC, approaching MHS+ and the Juubi being in the exatons range, that's enough to quantify.

A casual TBB is mountain level, so far the top DC feats in bleach are above city level, Aizen fraggor. Only Yama out of the whole bleach ver has the most DC, while the others barely even reach above mountain level

 

[China IL]

Even keeping feats in consideration, the naruto verse recently has been scaled to island level+ characters in DC, approaching MHS+ and the Juubi being in the exatons range, that's enough to quantify.

A casual TBB is mountain level, so far the top DC feats in bleach are above city level, Aizen fraggor. Only Yama out of the whole bleach ver has the most DC, while the others barely even reach above mountain level

My bets will be placed on Bleach since I barely seen any OP Episodes.

If we say Bleach verse we mean all villians, visords, Gotei 13 and Espada (no Zero because we do not know their power atm). Yama-Dono is country range, seeing his Bankai culd burn Soul Society down.

Only up to handful of people in Naruto verse can counter this.

Naruto

Juubi/Juubito

Madara

Hashirama

(Sasuke has not shown any mountain busting attacks except fusing with Naruto Kyuubi)

Say the five people are "above kage level". Not all of Naruto verse have such feats.

We can only speak of Ichigo's past power since we know nothing of his new power. Dangai Ichigo solo'd Aizen. We are too believe that Butterfly Aizen was his strongest form, but because he threw away Kyōka Suigetsu, I don't agree with that logic. The question is, can Kyōka Suigetsu surpass genjutsu?

Genjutsu is created when a ninja contrls the chakra flow of the foe's cerebral nervous system, thereby affecting their nervous system.

Kyōka Suigetsu: With just one look at the sword, your five senses belong to him. You could never notice when your being tricked.

Has has been shown escaping another's illusion technique. Shinji Hirako's shikai, Sakanade, gives off a scent that the foe doesn't otice until he allows them to. All cardinal directions are then reversed continously, therefore your never able to get use to it. Aizen was aeasily able to break out of this. The extent of Kyōka Suigetsu is still unknown.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

There are many sorts of genjutsu, and are u forgetting even with his shikai activated Aizen has to attack to kill them, even if they're in, Aizen hasn't show enough DC that indicates he can slash apart PS, and character with insane durability, he can't compensate with his current striking strenght to cut apart BM naruto, and adversary of his shikai can be cancelled, yammaoto did it when he got stabbed and cancelling the effect, also stated by gin. And sharingan user can detect the flow of energy being emitted by the shikai. Technically chakra is 50 percent spiritual energy. And there isn't any confirmation wether the jins will be effected like B and naruto, the beasts can guide them if they found out they're stuck inside an illusion, the nature of his shikai gives it away actually. Monster Aizen hasn't show feats with KS nonetheless.

We also have bringer of darkness, and many types of genjutsu in naruto, like KA, and tsukyomi,

bringer of darkness, which hashirama and Madara can use, if they smell the pollen, they will fall to sleep, and also including the Juubi, the Tailed beasts, who have insane DC, including pain. If Aizen got used to shinji's shikai, we can't say how it effect all the verse at once.

 

[Itachi75]

some genjutsu wielders such as Itachi can possibly bring down being like Goku, Suzaku, and Sanji
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that being said i doubt Genjutsu can work on logia types or hollows, or beings like cell or maijin buu or spirits like Rukia.
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Genjutsu only works against living beings. Logias are different because they have a body that is manifested and protected by an essense either lightining or lava or rubber. That is why haki is needed to see the real body. Genjutsu even threw the sharingan posseses almost no chance of sees a logia's true body.
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Hallows and spirits may have spiritial bodies that bleed, but genjutsu cannot and will not affect a spirits body seeing as though it is already dead and devoide of life force.
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maijin buu and other beings like him like yuki nagato are magical beings b, while they do have blood and phyical states they are provided with a surplus of magic that enables their mind to be protected and sealed from any form of mind rape, except by the highest tier and no one in naruto is a high tier mind rapist.
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Cell, is a android and with that being said he doesn't possesa a living brain therefore no form of genjutsu, so other androids from other anime would be immune to genjutsu so that it is not a living force but a computer with a tiny bit of organic matter.
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Ichigo as long as he is not inside his earthly body will be immune to any type of genjutsu, Luffy would also be apparently immune, and so on so forth.
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Naruto character are lacking in speed and aren't that fast for fiction, and their attacks are only continent sizing at best. they easily get crushed by a lot of verses.
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This is why i say genjutsu is there only way of affecting other beings. but that being said there is a limit to genjutsu.
1. Genjutsu will not work on a being simply because it is a biological being, for example a being of immense size like the devourer of worlds.
2. Wizards/other mind rapists. Naruto mind-rape isn't truly that strong while it does invoke illusions, can make you obey commands or even force you to kill yourself, or even have the ability to "control time, space, and physical mass" there are other series that have a wider position that makes naruto pale in comparison
3. people with immense speed , well i guess that isn't true. Itachi can defeat goku solely because Goku is one ot wait and let his opponent make the first move especailly if he is facing a weak opponent like itachi(note the battle/tournament/battle with ginyu force. He like to give people a fair chance and that is why he will lose out to mind-rapists like itachi. That being said, genjutsu won't affect omnipresent beings like Eos Alucard since he is "everywhere and yet nowhere.
4. living beings that posses ridicoulous power. Genjutsu will not affect beings with so much power within them, its called a no limits fallacy. beings that hold world worth of energy within them won't be affected.
5. beings that are continent in height and bigger. Genjutsu cannot owrk on being like big or massive singulary due to range. Genjutsu wielders don't have unlimited range and the area to cast genjutsu is limited.
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I guess that is all I have to say. Genjutsu is a nifty tool but that being said it can't hurt everyone or even KO everyone. despite its hype.

 

[China IL]

There are many sorts of genjutsu, and are u forgetting even with his shikai activated Aizen has to attack to kill them, even if they're in, Aizen hasn't show enough DC that indicates he can slash apart PS, and character with insane durability, he can't compensate with his current striking strenght to cut apart BM naruto, and adversary of his shikai can be cancelled, yammaoto did it when he got stabbed and cancelling the effect, also stated by gin. And sharingan user can detect the flow of energy being emitted by the shikai. Technically chakra is 50 percent spiritual energy. And there isn't any confirmation wether the jins will be effected like B and naruto, the beasts can guide them if they found out they're stuck inside an illusion, the nature of his shikai gives it away actually. Monster Aizen hasn't show feats with KS nonetheless.

We also have bringer of darkness, and many types of genjutsu in naruto, like KA, and tsukyomi,

bringer of darkness, which hashirama and Madara can use, if they smell the pollen, they will fall to sleep, and also including the Juubi, the Tailed beasts, who have insane DC, including pain. If Aizen got used to shinji's shikai, we can't say how it effect all the verse at once.

Aizen's potential with kido is almost limitless. The only person to have ever counter his kido on panel nwas dangai Ichigo. A feat showing his kido's power is shown below.

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And there isn't any confirmation wether the jins will be effected like B and naruto, the beasts can guide them if they found out they're stuck inside an illusion

bringer of darkness, which hashirama and Madara can use, if they smell the pollen, they will fall to sleep

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As shown in the manga pages, a Zanpakutou is an extension of the wielder's soul. The wielder and zanpakutou can communicate. So all Soul Reapers have the same advantage against Genjutsu as a Jinchuriki, meaning that Genjutsu won't work so effeciently.

Monster Aizen hasn't show feats with KS nonetheless.

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He completely faked his death using Momo, and hid right under the enemy's nose in Momo's place, giving the Gotei 13 a fake victory.

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He then proceeded to wipe out the last of his foes, excluding Yama-Dono and others.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

From looking outside from the inside, it looks like Naruto Chars are totally in their own league(main chars). But that's for all animes, the plot demands a powerful group. If Naruto Verse was placed in different Verse, could they win/survive? The ideal verses would be the other two of the Big Three.

One Piece

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(fill in space with ideas/opinions)

Bleach

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(fill in space with ideas/opinions)

The common power debaters don't know multiversal calcs like some of us experienced on the Manga, Anime and Comics forums do from OBD and other websites. P31N, Fireplay, Youth and full power, ayesha161 (though the person trolls), me and itachi75 are probably the only ones that know on the site, we fill you in every day. Basically other than me bragging, naruto with physics applied is stronger than the others of the HST. Don't be surprised.

They will solo One Piece verse, I doubt about Bleach though.

Bleach is the weakest. OP is the only problem.

How can they solo Logias?

Atomic Displacement with Jinton: Genkai Hakuri or drowning them with suiton. They won't be able to breathe in juubi's gigaton TBB nukes.

Bleach Verse rapes them so hard, OP verse gets beaten I think

No, it doesn't get close. Bleach verse goes to mid-high tiers at best. God-tiers god-rape the bleach verse. Naruto is above Mach 143, and despite calcs putting it higher than this being debunked, bleach's max speed is mach 23.

Akainu is more than enough to deal with them U_U

Bleach meh not sure but Aizen will be a problem he might join Naruto verse cause it will be new test subjects

Aizen isn't a problem. They're too fast and he's city level+ at best to potentially small island level and that is with fragor and ultrafraggor. Kyokasuigetsu is the only problem, and he can't harm the durability of things like wood gobi, kurama's cloak, susano'O etc.

some genjutsu wielders such as Itachi can possibly bring down being like Goku, Suzaku, and Sanji
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that being said i doubt Genjutsu can work on logia types or hollows, or beings like cell or maijin buu or spirits like Rukia.
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Genjutsu only works against living beings. Logias are different because they have a body that is manifested and protected by an essense either lightining or lava or rubber. That is why haki is needed to see the real body. Genjutsu even threw the sharingan posseses almost no chance of sees a logia's true body.
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Hallows and spirits may have spiritial bodies that bleed, but genjutsu cannot and will not affect a spirits body seeing as though it is already dead and devoide of life force.
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maijin buu and other beings like him like yuki nagato are magical beings b, while they do have blood and phyical states they are provided with a surplus of magic that enables their mind to be protected and sealed from any form of mind rape, except by the highest tier and no one in naruto is a high tier mind rapist.
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Cell, is a android and with that being said he doesn't possesa a living brain therefore no form of genjutsu, so other androids from other anime would be immune to genjutsu so that it is not a living force but a computer with a tiny bit of organic matter.
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Ichigo as long as he is not inside his earthly body will be immune to any type of genjutsu, Luffy would also be apparently immune, and so on so forth.
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Naruto character are lacking in speed and aren't that fast for fiction, and their attacks are only continent sizing at best. they easily get crushed by a lot of verses.
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This is why i say genjutsu is there only way of affecting other beings. but that being said there is a limit to genjutsu.
1. Genjutsu will not work on a being simply because it is a biological being, for example a being of immense size like the devourer of worlds.
2. Wizards/other mind rapists. Naruto mind-rape isn't truly that strong while it does invoke illusions, can make you obey commands or even force you to kill yourself, or even have the ability to "control time, space, and physical mass" there are other series that have a wider position that makes naruto pale in comparison
3. people with immense speed , well i guess that isn't true. Itachi can defeat goku solely because Goku is one ot wait and let his opponent make the first move especailly if he is facing a weak opponent like itachi(note the battle/tournament/battle with ginyu force. He like to give people a fair chance and that is why he will lose out to mind-rapists like itachi. That being said, genjutsu won't affect omnipresent beings like Eos Alucard since he is "everywhere and yet nowhere.
4. living beings that posses ridicoulous power. Genjutsu will not affect beings with so much power within them, its called a no limits fallacy. beings that hold world worth of energy within them won't be affected.
5. beings that are continent in height and bigger. Genjutsu cannot owrk on being like big or massive singulary due to range. Genjutsu wielders don't have unlimited range and the area to cast genjutsu is limited.
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I guess that is all I have to say. Genjutsu is a nifty tool but that being said it can't hurt everyone or even KO everyone. despite its hype.

@Bolded no, it can't. It can't phase dbz characters as stated before. Ki is not chakra, even if it was equalized in the fight goku is as strong as vegeta in the mind and vegeta was able to break from babidi, who controlled the demon king dabura for millions of years. Itachi doesn't touch goku, deal with it. There are other characters who do, but itachi is laughable. Saying juubito beats goku at this point is laughable.