How exactly does FTG users defeat Susano'o user?

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i honestly think that sth like this would happen if minato teleported inside the susanoo and tried to hit sasuke

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he would hit that chakra manifestation that completely surrounds sasuke inside.


The chakra manifestation does absolutely nothing. It's not solid. This is how Itachi was able to have Sasuke inside of his susanoo without crushing him.

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Susanoo's inside is not physical. Only the outer layer is.
 

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i honestly think that sth like this would happen if minato teleported inside the susanoo and tried to hit sasuke

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he would hit that chakra manifestation that completely surrounds sasuke inside.

That's just Sasuke reacting fast enough to summon Susanoo's ribs to soften the blow.
 

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Nope, that was the complete susanoo. Here's the states of susanoo.


incomplete susanoo
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complete susanoo

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Final susanoo.

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and stabalized final susanooo or perfect susanoo.


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In the example that solo showed, it was complete susanoo. Final susanoo just adds armor on top by all appearances. There's no indication that the inside is solid. That's like saying Kurama avatar's insides are solid.





One problem with that. You're example clearly shows ribcage susanoo being used. I'm talking about the chakra that Sasuke emits that at a certain distance, forms susanoo.

you know what i meant by complete.final is just another way of saying it.and i do believe that sasuke is additionaly protected inside with susanoo`s chakra manifestation being all around sasuke.and there not being enough room for a FTG user to hit a susanoo user properly without hitting that chakra manifestation first

the complete version you reffered to was not a perfectly manifested susanoo as it didnt protect and envelop sasuke completely because danzo could clearly hit him from behind
 

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One problem with that. You're example clearly shows ribcage susanoo being used. I'm talking about the chakra that Sasuke emits that at a certain distance, forms susanoo.

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Please don't say that wasn't Susano'o or some version of it.

Susano'o isn't exactly "solid", I agree. I don't think one can just walk inside Susano'o unless the user allows you.
 

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you know what i meant by complete.final is just another way of saying it.and i do believe that sasuke is additionaly protected inside with susanoo`s chakra manifestation being all around sasuke.and there not being enough room for a FTG user to hit a susanoo user properly without hitting that chakra manifestation first

the complete version you reffered to was not a perfectly manifested susanoo as it didnt protect and envelop sasuke completely because danzo could clearly hit him from behind


The thing is, we've been given no indication that the insides of final susanoo are any different from the previous versions.
 

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Because that's stupid. By that very logic, he can throw a kunai near a person and teleport inside a person's body instantly killing them. On some Mortal Kombat shit.

Edit: He can just throw a Kunai back, tbh.

That would probably kill Minato since he isn't Obito and can't phase into people. But how is it stupid? Kishi has clearly shown that there is an arc range around the marked kunai that seems to be at least a couple of meters (maybe around 5). Sure the susano'o user could throw a kunai to block it but do you actually believe they would bother when they have susano'o up?

But the problem still stands that there is a gap between say sasuke and the susano'o layer that forms the defence. If Minato can get his kunai within 5 meters (for arguement sake) then its entirely plausible that he can port to the gap behind Sasuke then an slash his throat - something that the susano'o user is very likely to consider how proud they are of their defense.
 
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The chakra manifestation does absolutely nothing. It's not solid. This is how Itachi was able to have Sasuke inside of his susanoo without crushing him.

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Susanoo's inside is not physical. Only the outer layer is.
maybe because itachi let sasuke slip inside.i mean,how would sasuke be able to be inside a susanoo if susanoo`s solid on the outside??
 

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the only ones arguing this are Minato wanking fapboys, Susanoo > FTG any day of the week
 

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Anything touching minato's Chakra gets teleported.
 

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I know you remember this:
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Please don't say that wasn't Susano'o or some version of it.

Susano'o isn't exactly "solid", I agree. I don't think one can just walk inside Susano'o unless the user allows you.



That is susanoo without a doubt. However, there's 2 things I'd like to address. First being that there's a visual difference between the chakra manifestation and the solid part in that scan. If anything, it solidifies my argument. Please bear in mind that the susanoo was also focused through the fan by all indications. There's a reason why I don't think susanoo's insides can be willed to become solid. Here's why.


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If the insides could be made solid, then he could have forced it so that he couldn't have been separated from it. However, he couldn't.
 

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The thing is, we've been given no indication that the insides of final susanoo are any different from the previous versions.

true...i am basing this solely on my belief for it to be so.i could be wrong

it might be a perfect protection....and it might not be.i guess we wont know for sure
 

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That would probably kill Minato since he isn't Obito and can't phase into people. But how is it stupid? Kishi has clearly shown that there is an arc range around the marked kunai that seems to be at least a couple of meters (maybe around 5). Sure the susano'o user could throw a kunai to block it but do you actually believe they would bother when they have susano'o up?

But the problem still stands that there is a gap between say sasuke and the susano'o layer that forms the defence. If Minato can get his kunai within 5 meters (for arguement sake) then its entirely plausible that he can port to gap behind then an slash their throat - something that the susano'o user is very likely to consider give how proud they are of their defense.
As I've said, Sasuke is wrapped in layers of chakra. When Danzo ripped open Susano'o there was still a layer of chakra surrounding him. When the deactivate Susano'o, you often see an Aura surrounding them. I've shown above that Susano'o doesn't necessarily need to be "bones" to block an attack.

Then here comes more theories:
- Would Susano'o instantly crush him?
- Would Susano'o instantly reject him being inside?

We know things can enter and exit Susano'o at will. We've never seen anyone enter Susano'o against the users will.
 

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if not a regular susanoo then i believe at least a perfect susanoo cannot be invaded by FTG and offers ultimate protection

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you see how sand was all over madara? when he activated PS it all blew away because of the complete manifestation of chakra that guarded madara all around.if that susanoo only protected against external attacks then it wouldnt have affected the sand.
 

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As I've said, Sasuke is wrapped in layers of chakra. When Danzo ripped open Susano'o there was still a layer of chakra surrounding him. When the deactivate Susano'o, you often see an Aura surrounding them. I've shown above that Susano'o doesn't necessarily need to be "bones" to block an attack.

Then here comes more theories:
- Would Susano'o instantly crush him?
- Would Susano'o instantly reject him being inside?

We know things can enter and exit Susano'o at will. We've never seen anyone enter Susano'o against the users will.

Actually, we have.

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if not a regular susanoo then i believe at least a perfect susanoo cannot be invaded by FTG and offers ultimate protection

because of this
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you see how sand was all over madara? when he activated PS it all blew away because of the complete manifestation of chakra that guarded madara all around.if that susanoo only protected against external attacks then it wouldnt have affected the sand.


Perhaps, or it could be that he started off with a solid version and then gradually expanded it. Just speculating.
 

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Because if the user manages to tag the Susano'o, they can take advantage of FTG's radius and teleport inside of the Susano'o.

But in all honestly, it sounds... odd.
 

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That is susanoo without a doubt. However, there's 2 things I'd like to address. First being that there's a visual difference between the chakra manifestation and the solid part in that scan. If anything, it solidifies my argument. Please bear in mind that the susanoo was also focused through the fan by all indications. There's a reason why I don't think susanoo's insides can be willed to become solid. Here's why.


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If the insides could be made solid, then he could have forced it so that he couldn't have been separated from it. However, he couldn't.
TBH - That was all plot to show off the Rinnegan.

As Susano'o powers up, Sand is removed from him.

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Actually, we have.

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Perhaps, or it could be that he started off with a solid version and then gradually expanded it. Just speculating.
i knew you were gonna say that XD

but isnt that an indication that one CAN manifest a close bodied solid manifestation of susanoo chakra?? maybe even when susanoo is expanded?? we cant ignore the possibility...but we also cant confirm it...:shy:
 

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TBH - That was all plot to show off the Rinnegan.

As Susano'o powers up, Sand is removed from him.

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Already explained a possibility on my last post on page 4.


i knew you were gonna say that XD

but isnt that an indication that one CAN manifest a close bodied solid manifestation of susanoo chakra?? maybe even when susanoo is expanded?? we cant ignore the possibility...but we also cant confirm it...:shy:


Yes, it can, but when it expands, it sacrifices security for power. Again, speculation. The truth is that none of us really know. However, since the Kurama avatar has never been shown to have solid insides, I doubt susanoo would be any different.
 
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The thing is the idea of sussano actually being warped and what not sounds stupid on paper but realistically it is possible.
 
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