How exactly does FTG users defeat Susano'o user?

[3MESSIAH]

Already explained a possibility on my last post on page 4.





Yes, it can, but when it expands, it sacrifices security for power. Again, speculation. The truth is that none of us really know. However, since the Kurama avatar has never been shown to have solid insides, I doubt susanoo would be any different.

reasonable speculation.but i doubt we could figure anything out of comparing susanoo to kurama`s avatar.they are two different things.

yes,none of us know.so all we have left is our opinions

 

[Ababeel]

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[adeshina365]

FTG users have no counter to Susanoo. I wouldn't pay much attention to the likes of Bogard.

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He clearly deactivated the Susanoo once he was teleported. The Susanoo in the first link was warped away with Sasuke.

 

[Ababeel]

He clearly deactivated the Susanoo once he was teleported. The Susanoo in the first link was warped away with Sasuke.

1- He did not know that he'll get teleported. Therefore, there is nothing to make him deactivated in that situation.
2- the teleportation jutsu did not take even 1 second. I doubt Sasuke's reaction is faster than that. U_U
3- The manga did not state such thing. Thus, it's only safe to say he got teleported out of it. U_U

 

[Solo]

1- He did not know that he'll get teleported. Therefore, there is nothing to make him deactivated in that situation.
2- the teleportation jutsu did not take even 1 second. I doubt Sasuke's reaction is faster than that. U_U
3- The manga did not state such thing. Thus, it's only safe to say he got teleported out of it. U_U

Look at Sasuke eyes in the second scan. It's the 3-tomoe.

 

[End of Days]

-Madara getting separated from susanoo [

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-Zetsu barging inside susanoo and reaching sasuke [

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-Minato teleproting naruto and sasuke even though they were being held down by obito[[url='http://media01.tokyobase.net/manga/mangas/Naruto/640%20-%20Finally/03.jpg]X[/url]]

First point shows that the user can be separated from susanoo
Second point shows that the aura present around the user doesnt exactly provide any obstruction and teleportation inside susanoo is also possible provided there is enough space, that is the susanoo is big enough
Third point shows that Minato can teleport things of his choice, that is he teleported only naruto/sasuke and not obito even though he was in contact with them

 

[Retsu]

-Madara getting separated from susanoo [

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-Zetsu barging inside susanoo and reaching sasuke [

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-Minato teleproting naruto and sasuke even though they were being held down by obito[[url='http://media01.tokyobase.net/manga/mangas/Naruto/640%20-%20Finally/03.jpg]X[/url]]

First point shows that the user can be separated from susanoo
Second point shows that the aura present around the user doesnt exactly provide any obstruction and teleportation inside susanoo is also possible provided there is enough space, that is the susanoo is big enough
Third point shows that Minato can teleport things of his choice, that is he teleported only naruto/sasuke and not obito even though he was in contact with them

this just solo'd the thread, clearly Susanoo can be penetrated, nothing can refute these points.

 

[Minator93]

Well KingFlawz has already 1-sentenced this thread, I'll elaborate a little further

a quote taken from Tobirama or Minato vs EMS/PSS Madara U_U

I'll show you how Minato and Tobirama pretty much nullifies the Madara's PSS threat.

Minato vs PSS [Madara's Destruction Incarnate] :

As I've stated in some of my earlier posts [not from this thread ] that if Madara goes PSS against Minato then he shoots himself in the leg.

We've seen Hashirama pretty much running when PSS+Kurama had that mini rampage, Madara even taunted him @ that point. Madara then blasted him with a TBB+PSS Sword and Hashirama redirected it via 5-Rashomon.

Now Insert Alive Minato instead of Hashirama, he could do the same with Low difficulty and with very Low chakra. How? Jikukan Keekei i.e. FTG Barrier. Minato already Barriere'd Juubi's TBB No Diff with it in base!

Minato however can take it one step further than Hashirama and have that attack redirected at Madara himself!!

Now onto the main topic, Minato vs Madara's PSS

We know that Minato can teleport anything and everything that his chakra comes into contact with [Directly, Indirectly] (I'm talking about the "chakra link"Minato forms). A Susanoo is nothing but a User's chakra manipulated around him. So all Minato has to do is to "touch" PSS in order to form that "chakra link"

Once the chakra link is formed, Minato is left with 3 choices:

1. To teleport both Madara and PSS
2. To teleport PSS and left Madara hanging
3. To teleport Madara out of the PS to a different Location!

But remember I said Madara shoots himself in the leg when he goes PSS against Minato, I'll prove you why

The Hiraishin Goshun Mawashi i.e. the FTG Swap. Minato can have a clone to do the chakra forming and instead of teleporting Madara out of it Minato can simply swap Madara with his clone and kill him the instant he's swapped!!

Going PSS or any Susanoo against Minato is writing a death wish really. I mean not after he clarified his FTG and showed that over haxx tech Goshun Mawashi!

Now this works on Madara but some smartass will say will this work on Sasuke? because Sasuke uses Enton Cover blah blah. Well it does Minato sends his clones to do the work so even if he touches Amaterasu nothing's gonna happen since its not real Minato!

Also: I argued using base Minato! You can only Imagine how easy it'd be for BM Minato to shit on PSS Lol Also Tobirama has the same abilities as well U_U

 

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-Madara getting separated from susanoo [

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-Zetsu barging inside susanoo and reaching sasuke [

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-Minato teleproting naruto and sasuke even though they were being held down by obito[[url='http://media01.tokyobase.net/manga/mangas/Naruto/640%20-%20Finally/03.jpg]X[/url]]

First point shows that the user can be separated from susanoo
Second point shows that the aura present around the user doesnt exactly provide any obstruction and teleportation inside susanoo is also possible provided there is enough space, that is the susanoo is big enough
Third point shows that Minato can teleport things of his choice, that is he teleported only naruto/sasuke and not obito even though he was in contact with them

Good post

 

[itachiuchiha21]

Susanoo shits on ftg so bad I feel sorry for Minato U_U

 

[shelke]

FTG users have no counter to Susanoo. I wouldn't pay much attention to the likes of Bogard.

He clearly deactivated the Susanoo once he was teleported. The Susanoo in the first link was warped away with Sasuke

Agreed. I mean, this is the same guy who ventures 'once upon a time ago' that Deva moves Susano'o in one direction and the user in the other. I would actually like to see a single scan for Izuna using a Susano'o.

Madara getting separated from susanoo [X]
-Zetsu barging inside susanoo and reaching sasuke [X]
-Minato teleproting naruto and sasuke even though they were being held down by obito[X]

First point shows that the user can be separated from susanoo
Second point shows that the aura present around the user doesnt exactly provide any obstruction and teleportation inside susanoo is also possible provided there is enough space, that is the susanoo is big enough
Third point shows that Minato can teleport things of his choice, that is he teleported only naruto/sasuke and not obito even though he was in contact with them

- Madara was grabbed because Onoki lightened the entire sand in the area and did the same for the sand in Gaara's gourd as well. It's always great to post the 'whole' thing, rather than post chucks to add weight to your argument.

- Zetsu got inside Susano'o, because by that time, even the mist was leaking inside it, as Sasuke himself was growing weaker. Before it, it was just eating away at the bones and this happened, because Sasuke tried to climb to a higher Susano'o tier. Sasuke's low reserves are confirmed by both "Mei and Karin".

- That proves jack. A clear explanation would be how Minato teleported Kurama and the TBB charging within its mouth 'was NOT left behind', and 'Teleported WITH FTG Teleportation'.

All disproved and circumstantial. As the fact that Madara was held down to separate him from Susano'o proves something. Minato is not separating Susano'o from the user. And the only reason many people evn try that, is for the desperate nonsensical points concerning Minato's victory over Susano'o users as he gets shitted on this way so badly that it's almost more laughable than his radish-like personality.

 

[Boston Rob]

Susanoo > FTG, simple as that.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Agreed. I mean, this is the same guy who ventures 'once upon a time ago' that Deva moves Susano'o in one direction and the user in the other. I would actually like to see a single scan for Izuna using a Susano'o.



- Madara was grabbed because Onoki lightened the entire sand in the area and did the same for the sand in Gaara's gourd as well. It's always great to post the 'whole' thing, rather than post chucks to add weight to your argument.

- Zetsu got inside Susano'o, because by that time, even the mist was leaking inside it, as Sasuke himself was growing weaker. Before it, it was just eating away at the bones and this happened, because Sasuke tried to climb to a higher Susano'o tier. Sasuke's low reserves are confirmed by both "Mei and Karin".

- That proves jack. A clear explanation would be how Minato teleported Kurama and the TBB charging within its mouth 'was NOT left behind', and 'Teleported WITH FTG Teleportation'.

All disproved and circumstantial. As the fact that Madara was held down to separate him from Susano'o proves something. Minato is not separating Susano'o from the user. And the only reason many people evn try that, is for the desperate nonsensical points concerning Minato's victory over Susano'o users as he gets shitted on this way so badly that it's almost more laughable than his radish-like personality.

1. What significance does that have at all? It still showed him being separated.


2. Excuses excuses. Again, what significance does this have? He had low chakra, but he was still forming susanoo. While he was forming susanoo, someone passed through the insides which to the susanoo supporters, can be solid at Sasuke's will, but it didn't. Low chakra is not really a factor, and the mist probably goes through susanoo period, weakened or not.


3. It does actually, it proves he has choice in FTGing. It's your example that proves jack considering Minato wanted the TBB to go away.

 

[Smd]

itachi/Sasuke haters

dont forget trolls too

Like how Tobirama(with FTG) defeated Izuna(a Susanoo user)

to bad that was a battle of kenjutsu and tobirama landed a cheap shot as confrimed by madara

Maybe he can teleport the Susano'o, maybe not.

Minato would obviously just put a bunch of marks here and there, and use ftg all around.

We have seen Tobirama can also put marks on the Kunais to teleport away but we don't know if he can use Shadow Clone jutsu on said Kunai (Like Minato does).

Assuming that FTG can't teleport Susano'o, then FTG wont really have any offensive support, unless you randomly pull a super strong jutsu out of your ass, like Minato was going to do with Juubito but failed, and we never saw it again.

So all FTG would really help with against someone who IS USING Susano'o while they're fighting is to evade attacks, and possibly get to a superior position for an offensive attack, if they even have one strong enough.

first off your sig is way to big. change it or be reported.

Also 3 tome itachi solos gai and his gates any day any time.


ot-if minato of tobirama could teletport susanno, then dont you think he would have done it by now.

pretty sure nobody is teleporting a PS or anything over V3

 

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nice try but its flawed heavily.

 

[shelke]

1. What significance does that have at all? It still showed him being separated.


2. Excuses excuses. Again, what significance does this have? He had low chakra, but he was still forming susanoo. While he was forming susanoo, someone passed through the insides which to the susanoo supporters, can be solid at Sasuke's will, but it didn't. Low chakra is not really a factor, and the mist probably goes through susanoo period, weakened or not.


3. It does actually, it proves he has choice in FTGing. It's your example that proves jack considering Minato wanted the TBB to go away.

1 - Onoki and Gaara working together, lightening sand in the area and the Chakra infused sand in the gourd to accomplish all that. Of course, ANYONE can do this. Catch my drift?

2 - This isn't an excuse but a fact. The only reason zetsu even got in, was because it was just a flimsy aura at that point. You ignoring his low-chakra status is quite ridiculous. Heck, only a panel or two back he took a point blank Lava attack on his rib-cage Susano'o together with a straight Hit from Chojuro and nothing penetrated his Susano'o, not even the freaking steam. But a full Zetsu did? LOL Are you serious?

3 - Bull Shit. Show me a scan where he HAS done it, or you are just making fanfiction up.

 

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1 - Onoki and Gaara working together, lightening sand in the area and the Chakra infused sand in the gourd to accomplish all that. Of course, ANYONE can do this. Catch my drift?

2 - This isn't an excuse but a fact. The only reason zetsu even got in, was because it was just a flimsy aura at that point. You ignoring his low-chakra status is quite ridiculous. Heck, only a panel or two back he took a point blank Lava attack on his rib-cage Susano'o together with a straight Hit from Chojuro and nothing penetrated his Susano'o, not even the freaking steam. But a full Zetsu did? LOL Are you serious?

3 - Bull Shit. Show me a scan where he HAS done it, or you are just making fanfiction up.

1. As I said, what relevance? I know Ohnoiki enhanced the sand to make it lighter, but it by no means holds any relevance to the argument. The fact is that something moved inside of the sussanoo. It's not like the sand got any more powerful, it's just faster. Considering there was no resistance, that would imply that the inside at least generally is not solid.


2. As I look back, the acid did weaken it. However, from what you were saying was that low chakra made it weak and that just makes no sense as susanoo is quite durable little chakra or not. I do in fact generally ignore the argument that a character getting tired automatically means the jutsus themselves are automatically inferior. I'm not using this argument for Naruto, and I'm sure as heck not using it for Sasuke.


3. Alrighty then.

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Notice something? Minato and Tobirama separated Obito's orbs from him. Those are orbs made of chakra that obviously are connected to him since he can manipulate them even when not connected.


Minato and Tobirama can use FTG to teleport away chakra constructs from a ninja even if there's a connection between the 2. Manga fact. Now please stop acting like a child and debate civilly without insults please.

 

[shelke]

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1- You comparing FTG mechanics to Sand Lightening is quite the far-fetched logic. This juxtaposition is everything.

2- Susano'o is shown to go up and down with the User's Chakra.

3 - What does that have anything to do with TBB charge? Tobi is shown to freely control these orbs. They hover around him. They aren't exactly connected to his body, but circle around him like a electron would around a Nucleus. The TBB is shown to be almost - not completely - connected to Kurama's body. That and the fact that the Susano'o got teleported with Sasuke also proves my point.

In fact, Susano'o and these orbs are not even remotely related. How did you make this connection anyway?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

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1- You comparing FTG mechanics to Sand Lightening is quite the far-fetched logic. This juxtaposition is everything.

2- Susano'o is shown to go up and down with the User's Chakra.

3 - What does that have anything to do with TBB charge? Tobi is shown to freely control these orbs. They hover around him. They aren't exactly connected to his body, but circle around him like a electron would around a Nucleus. The TBB is shown to be almost - not completely - connected to Kurama's body. That and the fact that the Susano'o got teleported with Sasuke also proves my point.

In fact, Susano'o and these orbs are not even remotely related. How did you make this connection anyway?

I'm ignoring your replys to 1. and 2. since were not going anywhere with this. The fact that those orbs return to Obito whenever they're separated clearly shows that there's a connection of some sort between the 2. It's almost certainly a chakra connection. The orbs are a ninjutsu. Therefore, they require chakra as fuel. Therefore, Obito's chakra had to be flowing in to them, just like how Sasuke's chakra flows into susanoo. There's no logical reason why susanoo couldn't be separated from Sasuke when the orbs could.



Also, TBBs aren't connected to Kurama's body any less than the orbs are to Obito. Nothing in the manga indicates that. There's also nothing indicating that Sasuke's susanoo got teleported either. You made that up.

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Susanoo disappeared and did not reappear. Now the argument could be made that the susanoo shut down before FTG, but it clearly wasn't teleported along with Sasuke. Even if that were the case, Minato would have no reason to separate it from him, so he'd likely let him keep it.


I've already proven that Mianto and Tobirama can indeed teleport chakra manifestations away from the users that they are connected to. Make no mistake, those orbs have to have chakra flowing into them from Obito to function. In order for your argument to hold, you have to post a panel where it would have benefited Minato to separate a chakra construct from a ninja, but he either didn't or couldn't. Otherwise, it's you who's making stuff up. I've already supported my claims, now it's your turn.