How does the Gedo Mazou even still exist right now?

[Floydical]

I know this title will get people raging so please read at least a portion of the thread before commenting. Thank you. I'm going to go through a process explaining what has happened to the Mazou thus far:

We all know that Obito revived the Juubi by replacing Kyuubi chakra with Kin/Gin chakra. After putting the Chakra into the Mazou, the Juubi revived. The juubi then began its long evolutionary process until it reached its second to last stage. Once Obito was on the verge of defeat, OBITO PROCEEDED TO ABSORB THE JUUBI.

Once he absorbed the Juubi, he struggled with it and eventually tamed it. Obito then proceeded to attempt to blow up the entire alliance with a Venasaur style tree emitting at least 3 TBBs. Once the alliance thwarted this, OBITO PROCEEDED TO FREE THE JUUBI ONCE AGAIN. Once he freed the Juubi, he maintained his SO6P power status and the Juubi immediately transformed into the god tree.

Lets stop right here.

Like I said before, Obito kept his SO6P powers even after evacuating the Juubi. In addition, the chakra of all 9 beasts are later pulled out of him. Finally, Madara proceeds to summon the Gedo Mazou out of his body at a later time.

Now why am I going through all the trouble to break this down? Because if Obito still had both the chakra of the beasts AND the Gedo Mazou still inside him, he shouldn't have been able to summon the Juubi in its full form outside of his body. When the Juubi came out of him, he should have been comprised of both the Mazou and the chakra of all the tailed beasts.

So theoretically, since the Juubi became the god tree, the Gedo Mazou and, in actuality, every tailed beast should at this moment be lost forever permanently melded with the bark of the God Tree that now dominates the landscape.

In my opinion it makes little sense that Obito was able to free the Juubi without freeing both the Tailed beasts' chakra and the Mazou at the same time. I mean we know for a fact that the Juubi only existed because it was comprised of these 2 essential ingredients. So how is it possible that we have the God Tree (which is the final form of the Juubi) existing on the same battlefield as a new juubi that's about to form? In my opinion this surely classifies as a plot hole and in my opinion was done to extend the life of the manga.

I hope people don't bash me too hard regarding my thoughts on this matter. Thoughts, comments, concerns, suggestions...... rage:devil:?

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Did you really ask for a common sense here?
You should have know by now that logic don't apply in this cheap writing by it's author.

Obito who had to die at least 3 times in a row and not overcoming Juubi as a host is still breathing.
Naruto who is not even pure Uzumaki will somehow survive despite what Zetsu stated.


Just enjoy that pure ridiculousness.

It's not being an uzumaki that counts, it's their strong life force, which the uzumaki's are known for, and naruto inherited from Kushina.

Obito being still alive just goes to show how epic he is.

 

[Floydical]

Did you really ask for a common sense here?
You should have know by now that logic don't apply in this cheap writing by it's author.

Obito who had to die at least 3 times in a row and not overcoming Juubi as a host is still breathing.
Naruto who is not even pure Uzumaki will somehow survive despite what Zetsu stated.


Just enjoy that pure ridiculousness.

Lol for sure its ridiculous, but Kishi actually gave semi-decent explanations for Obito's survival. Becoming the Juubi jin gave him regenerative powers and after having the chakra extracted he still had the Mazou in his body increasing his life force. Even after having the Mazou taken out, he had Black Zetsu keeping him alive.

But there is no logical explanation as to how the God tree (final form of the Juubi) can exist on the battlefield right now when a new Juubi is being revived as we speak. The Mazou, and all the 9 tailed beasts for that matter, should be forever lost in the bark of the God tree.

 

[-ahhimane-]

after Obito released the God Tree aka Juubi, he was controlling the God tree to attack the Alliance.
And when the bijuus were extracted out of him, Obito lost the control over the God Tree plus, the god tree lost its importance of being a God tree. That tree turned into a normal tree. And hence the shell of the Juubi aka the statue remained inside of Obito.

Now the question remain is how the statue was still inside when the God Tree was outside, right?
Gedo Mazo is just like a seed out of whom a GOD Tree can emerge again once it failed before. The ingredients for the God Tree is the chakra of the Bijuus. And hence as long as the seed and the chakra is fed, the God Tree can be resurrected back.
At least I think so :I

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

total right.....no matter if there is a new one that madara is about to create, how can he summon gedo out of troll-bito then have a god tree still there....like there should be nothing coming out of obito since the tree is the final form of jubii who is the second form of gedo....its getting strange with naruto now

 

[SeBa]

everyone is bashing like this hater ''mr simple'' for example and others etc. before they even think about'it for a little moment and try to use theyre little brain.
but no we have to find even a little mistake or some shit, if kishi would have told us why etc. people would be like : oooo why would you do this, we didn't need'it, what a usless ch. 17 pages of BS , why kishi why ?

nice ahhimane.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

This thread has made me realise the convoluted mess that the Juubi is.

So there's a giant statue that's the body for the 10 tails and then when it has all the beasts inside it, it can turn into the 10 tails. And when they take them all it turns back into the Gedo Mazu statue and Obito can change into a host and turn into a slug snake thing , absorb the beasts through the statue through the 10 tails and then also it can turn into a giant tree when it's not inside him?

Man. This thing is ridiculous.

 

[Oblivionx]

i totally forgot about God tree... is it still there???

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

The god tree is just a mokuton tree that was externally nurtured by obito with the chakra of juubi.

 

[Floydical]

after Obito released the God Tree aka Juubi, he was controlling the God tree to attack the Alliance.
And when the bijuus were extracted out of him, Obito lost the control over the God Tree plus, the god tree lost its importance of being a God tree. That tree turned into a normal tree. And hence the shell of the Juubi aka the statue remained inside of Obito.

Now the question remain is how the statue was still inside when the God Tree was outside, right?
Gedo Mazo is just like a seed out of whom a GOD Tree can emerge again once it failed before. The ingredients for the God Tree is the chakra of the Bijuus. And hence as long as the seed and the chakra is fed, the God Tree can be resurrected back.
At least I think so :I

This is almost believable but the fact remains that the Juubi existed outside of Obito for a short time, without being comprised of the Gedo Mazou nor the Biju's chakra. So without a doubt, its cheating the system if the Gedo Mazou was able to stay inside Obito while a Juubi was outside of him. The fact that the God tree lost its importance does not matter, it is still the final stage of the Juubi and therefore should contain both the Mazou and all the Beasts.

everyone is bashing like this hater ''mr simple'' for example and others etc. before they even think about'it for a little moment and try to use theyre little brain.
but no we have to find even a little mistake or some shit, if kishi would have told us why etc. people would be like : oooo why would you do this, we didn't need'it, what a usless ch. 17 pages of BS , why kishi why ?

nice ahhimane.

Little mistake? The only reason I bring this up is because its more than a little mistake. Kishi is completely denying facts that he has presented. He thought he could get away with it by only having the Juubi exist for a short time before becoming the god tree but the damage was done if you ask me.

i totally forgot about God tree... is it still there???

It was still there when Madara was about to turn back to human form from where Naruto ambushed him. So yes its still there.

 

[BlackFlame44]

The tree isn't around anymore

I mean just look

 

[Senju Bean]

The mazou and the bijuu form the "core". This core is the central control center for the Juubi/Shinju. That is why Obito was able to summon the Shinju and still control it.

 

[Floydical]

The god tree is just a mokuton tree that was externally nurtured by obito with the chakra of juubi.

No its not. It was the Juubi that became the tree. The juubi existed for a short time outside of Obito before it transformed. That means it should have contained both the Mazou and the Biju's chakra. If what you are saying is true, he should have been able to summon the god tree WITHOUT bringing the Juubi out first.

The tree isn't around anymore

I mean just look

It is still there. After Obito was defeated, Naruto scaled the god tree and used the oversized Rashen-Shiriken to attack Madara. The tree has not gone away.

 

[ThousandLegs]

Personally I think it split its self like when it made those clones who knows maybe every juubi clone is like a god tree seed :erm:

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

i'll tell you what i tell everyone who tries to make sense out of ANYTHING currently happening, DON'T LOOK FOR ANY ATTENTION TO DETAILS/TECHNICALITIES IN THIS ARC, IT'S ALREADY A MESS.

save yourself the headache and enjoy the ride/what's left of it.

 

[thegame]

I don't understand why you see this as a mistake or anything of the matter. All we can do is read the manga and think "Oh, so when you absorb the juubi and become the so6p, you can create it in its original form outside your body, but still have the bijuus and the mazou inside you".

And to me it is plain simple, it is the same with all the beasts. If you divide it's chakra into a number of portions, you can also create that number of tailed beasts. For instance we have two Kuramas, one inside Minato and one that was inside Naruto.

Why couldn't Obito do the same with the juubi?

 

[Floydical]

Personally I think it split its self like when it made those clones who knows maybe every juubi clone is like a god tree seed :erm:

Possible, but the Juubi clones are just extensions of its body. The Juubi that was released from Obito was the full sized Juubi, which would only logically have to contain the Mazou to exist.

I don't understand why you see this as a mistake or anything of the matter. All we can do is read the manga and think "Oh, so when you absorb the juubi and become the so6p, you can create it in its original form outside your body, but still have the bijuus and the mazou inside you".

And to me it is plain simple, it is the same with all the beasts. If you divide it's chakra into a number of portions, you can also create that number of tailed beasts. For instance we have two Kuramas, one inside Minato and one that was inside Naruto.

Why couldn't Obito do the same with the juubi?

Because the Juubi has a shell that makes up its body, the Mazou. All the tailed beasts as we know them don't have an actual shell, they are essentially just masses of chakra. So its more logical for multiple individual tailed beasts to exist for this reason. But for the Juubi to multiply the entire size of its body, it would logically have to split the Mazou down to a smaller form as well.

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

No its not. It was the Juubi that became the tree. The juubi existed for a short time outside of Obito before it transformed. That means it should have contained both the Mazou and the Biju's chakra. If what you are saying is true, he should have been able to summon the god tree WITHOUT bringing the Juubi out first.

The way the tree appeared it was just a pumped up mokuton tree.. obito was still jinchuuriki... you can't become jinchuuriki of 9 tailed beasts, and to bring out the power of the god tree you need to have all 9 which are united into one being in the shell of juubi known as gedou mazou.
Also gedou mazou seems to be made out of similar/ the same stuff as the white zetsu stuff, so mokuton..
When the god tree became mad and turned juubi he probably created a mokuton shell which is gedou mazou and poured it's chakra in it creating juubi.. the tree itself died because of lack of chakra nurturing.

 

[BlackFlame44]

No its not. It was the Juubi that became the tree. The juubi existed for a short time outside of Obito before it transformed. That means it should have contained both the Mazou and the Biju's chakra. If what you are saying is true, he should have been able to summon the god tree WITHOUT bringing the Juubi out first.



It is still there. After Obito was defeated, Naruto scaled the god tree and used the oversized Rashen-Shiriken to attack Madara. The tree has not gone away.

And now it's gone

I mean the shinju and the statue can't exist at once

And the tree hasn't been spotted at all(it's a giant flower how could you NOT notice it)

 

[flyboyissac]

Did you really ask for a common sense here?
You should have know by now that logic don't apply in this cheap writing by it's author.

Obito who had to die at least 3 times in a row and not overcoming Juubi as a host is still breathing.
Naruto who is not even pure Uzumaki will somehow survive despite what Zetsu stated.


Just enjoy that pure ridiculousness.

*palmface* really did u just type this I'm going to sleep