How does Shin have MS?

[Rιver]

Because Obito's emotional reaction to seeing Rin get stabbed caused the transformation.

I mean for crying out loud that was the single event that caused him to lose hope in everything,Kakashi doesn't have the same attachment to Rin for him to unlock MS without Obito's involvement.

That's not how it works. You have to kill yourself your best friend, or cause it, and that is what Kakashi did. You don't need to watch them die.

Kakashi's only attachment at that time was with Rin, since his father and former best friend died. So yes, technically Rin was his best friend at the time.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

That's not how it works. You have to kill yourself your best friend, or cause it, and that is what Kakashi did. You don't need to watch them die.

Kakashi's only attachment at that time was with Rin, since his father and former best friend died. So yes, technically Rin was his best friend at the time.

Well Sasuke unlocked his MS and he sure as hell didn't kill Itachi,so that kind of blows a hole in your argument.

Tobirama said that Uchiha unlock the power in their eyes by experiencing intense feelings of loss due to experiencing the death of a loved one.

Rin meant everything to Obito and her death literally caused him to cross the Despair Event Horizon,so as a result he unlocked MS for both himself and Kakashi.

Anyone who reads the manga should know this.

 

[Heisenberg Wannabe]

He doesnt have Uchiha blood so even if has the eyes he cannot awaken MS.

Now there is a possibility that out of all those eyes Obito had one of them was an MS eye.

Tell that to the man in your sig and your avatar.

 

[Rιver]

Well Sasuke unlocked his MS and he sure as hell didn't kill Itachi,so that kind of blows a hole in your argument.

Tobirama said that Uchiha unlock the power in their eyes by experiencing intense feelings of loss due to experiencing the death of a loved one.

Rin meant everything to Obito and her death literally caused him to cross the Despair Event Horizon,so as a result he unlocked MS for both himself and Kakashi.

Anyone who reads the manga should know this.

You need to read what I say, because if you don't this doesn't work at all:

That's not how it works. You have to kill yourself your best friend, or cause it, and that is what Kakashi did. You don't need to watch them die.

Kakashi's only attachment at that time was with Rin, since his father and former best friend died. So yes, technically Rin was his best friend at the time.

And now I ask the genius himself, who caused his death or at least according to his own belief? That's right.

And about your Uchiha argument, I'm pretty sure Tobirama didn't expect non-Uchiha to start transplanting Sharingan eyes and awakening them. Also, Tobirama refers to ''Sharingan'', while we are talking about ''Mangekyo Sharingan''. That's different, because Kakashi never awakened his regular Sharingan but Obito did.

So I don't know what manga you were reading for the past years or how many pages you skipped for 700 chapters, but I am pretty confident that Kakashi who is non-Uchiha awakened the Mangekyo by himself.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

You need to read what I say, because if you don't this doesn't work at all:



And now I ask the genius himself, who caused his death or at least according to his own belief? That's right.

And about your Uchiha argument, I'm pretty sure Tobirama didn't expect non-Uchiha to start transplanting Sharingan eyes and awakening them. Also, Tobirama refers to ''Sharingan'', while we are talking about ''Mangekyo Sharingan''. That's different, because Kakashi never awakened his regular Sharingan but Obito did.

So I don't know what manga you were reading for the past years or how many pages you skipped for 700 chapters, but I am pretty confident that Kakashi who is non-Uchiha awakened the Mangekyo by himself.

Wrong,Sasuke didn't cause Itachi's death since the latter was already a dead man walking.

Sasuke didn't do shit and was completely at Itachi's mercy.

We're not talking about Kakashi awakening MS by himself(which he didn't) but how he awakened it.So don't move the goal posts;just because you can't disprove the fact that without Obito there to have the necessary emotional impact Kakashi would still be stuck at 3T Sharingan.

So yeah you should probably go reread the manga,because I can and will post the scan that will end this conversation if needed.

 

[Styles]

Obito awakened MS for kakashi his sharingan and kakashi's are connected when Obito saw kakashi kill Rin he awakened MS just by kakashi being there with the other eye he awakened it too because of Obito. Kakashi never awakened MS on his own.

 

[Floydical]

Obito unlocked it. This apparently is not clear sadly.

I disagree. One could argue Obito unlocked both in that moment, but Obito's left eye was no longer connected to his brain. In my opinion, the manga implied they both unlocked it separately, but for the same exact reason. It was plot that let them unlock it at the same time, to create a deeper meaning behind it, but they both unlocked it independently.

Therefore, I believe that the manga implies once the regular sharingan is awakened, anyone who receives it via transplant can than awaken the MS; whether they be Uchiha or not. The new brain, being connected to the eye, takes over and the strong feelings can still trigger the change.

My opinion anyway.

And yes I realize Obito's eye was still wirelessly connected (seeing Kakashi kill Rin through is old eye) but it was not physically connected to the brain. If you're going to take the panels from Tobirama literally, it would have to be connected to an Uchiha brain for it to work, and not just wireless. I think once the Uchiha awakens the 3T, anyone can awaken the MS with emotional torment, where the MS pattern was pre-determined at the onset.

 

[RedRobin]

According to that kakashi's sharingan shouldn't have went to ms, and if I'm not mistaken he's clearly talking about 3t. As he states himself.

So really and truly that was an irrelevant scan.

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He is referring to every form the sharingan.

 

[SatanicGod]

That's not how it works. You have to kill yourself your best friend, or cause it, and that is what Kakashi did. You don't need to watch them die.

Kakashi's only attachment at that time was with Rin, since his father and former best friend died. So yes, technically Rin was his best friend at the time.

Itachi says hello

 

[SatanicGod]

I disagree. One could argue Obito unlocked both in that moment, but Obito's left eye was no longer connected to his brain. In my opinion, the manga implied they both unlocked it separately, but for the same exact reason. It was plot that let them unlock it at the same time, to create a deeper meaning behind it, but they both unlocked it independently.

Therefore, I believe that the manga implies once the regular sharingan is awakened, anyone who receives it via transplant can than awaken the MS; whether they be Uchiha or not. The new brain, being connected to the eye, takes over and the strong feelings can still trigger the change.

My opinion anyway.

And yes I realize Obito's eye was still wirelessly connected (seeing Kakashi kill Rin through is old eye) but it was not physically connected to the brain. If you're going to take the panels from Tobirama literally, it would have to be connected to an Uchiha brain for it to work, and not just wireless. I think once the Uchiha awakens the 3T, anyone can awaken the MS with emotional torment, where the MS pattern was pre-determined at the onset.

Wirelessly connected is enough to trigger it, seeing as how it was still possible to see through the eye and use Susano'o without the eyes physically in their sockets

 

[BenjerminGaye]

....You do realize the eyes are connected,right?

Kishi has shown that plain as day by giving Obito/Kakashi the same MS design and the same S/T jutsu.

If Kakashi unlocked MS on his own then he would have different eye techniques since no MS user has the same abilities.

False. According to tobirama amaterasu and enton existed long b4 sasuke/itachi meaning it's possible for any Uchiha to awaken kamui

 

[LuckyMan]

Has anyone thought yet that maybe whoever has a Sharingan and they suffer some deep loss will awaken MS, regardless if they're Uchiha or not?

 

[Zee U]

As someone theorized, it's entirely possible that he modified/replaced his brain with that of a Uchiha. Let's not forget his eyes are all connected to it, it's evident he opened his scalp to do some modifications no?

To anyone saying Kakashi awakened the MS: the whole theory falls apart because the pattern remains the same of Obito's eye, indicating the latter awakened it. In Shin's case the pattern is universal, indentical for each eyes, thus meaning that his chakra overrode the patterns of the previous owners creating a new one.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

False. According to tobirama amaterasu and enton existed long b4 sasuke/itachi meaning it's possible for any Uchiha to awaken kamui

First of all,Tobirama was talking about Amaterasu which is already a MS jutsu shared by two different users.Enton so far has been a eye tech unique to Sasuke alone

Second,in order to declare something false you need to have proof of why that is.Seeing that you have nothing to back up your statement that any random MS user can awaken Kamui besides Obito/Kakashi just means it's useless speculation on your part.

 

[Floydical]

Wirelessly connected is enough to trigger it, seeing as how it was still possible to see through the eye and use Susano'o without the eyes physically in their sockets

I simply do not agree. People will tell you Madara did not wirelessly access his MS to trigger Susanoo, rather the chakra became part of his physical body and therefore his eyes were no longer needed to trigger it. It could be the same case here, since Obito awakened the original sharingan, his brain was no longer needed to progress it.

The fact that Kakashi experienced the same emotional pain signifies his emotional distress was essential to the MS awakening. The only way you could prove it was all Obito's work was if Kakashi awakened MS while asleep at home or something, while Obito experienced the pain. Clearly since Kakashi's awakening lined up with his emotional distress, it implies he awakened it himself.

Has anyone thought yet that maybe whoever has a Sharingan and they suffer some deep loss will awaken MS, regardless if they're Uchiha or not?

I agree with this.

As someone theorized, it's entirely possible that he modified/replaced his brain with that of a Uchiha. Let's not forget his eyes are all connected to it, it's evident he opened his scalp to do some modifications no?

To anyone saying Kakashi awakened the MS: the whole theory falls apart because the pattern remains the same of Obito's eye, indicating the latter awakened it. In Shin's case the pattern is universal, indentical for each eyes, thus meaning that his chakra overrode the patterns of the previous owners creating a new one.

No it does not make the theory fall apart. Its the same as Madara's no eyed susanoo I described above. Once he awakened Susanoo, he could access it without eyes. So once an Uchiha awakens sharingan, it can be upgraded outside of his or her body. Realize that as soon as Obito awakened normal Sharingan, his MS pattern was pre-determined. Therefore, as soon as he awakened normal shairngan, his MS pattern was set in stone. It was simply a matter of time until he awakened it and wherever, oh whoever the eyes belonged to at the time, the pattern would be the same.

 

[super michael]

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Tell me about how they arent connected?

Its true that Kakashi Sharingan is linked to Obito, but Obito Sharingan is linked to Kakashi also. What about when Sasuke and Naruto were fighting Obito as a jinchuriken, Kakashi could see what Obito could see.

So it is possible that both Kakashi and Obito unlocked the mangekyou sharingan, not just Obito only.