How does Nagto dodge Kakashi's Kamui in a 1vs1 ?

[AlphaScythian]

I think nagato with intel on kamui can replicate mist jutsu

 

[raziel777]

You should log off with that bold. Nagato's sensory powers are top 5.

-Sensed chakra build up.
-Sensed Kabuto who was in barrier from miles away when best sensors failed to despite latter was in barrier specifically made to prevent being sensed.
-Sensed the chakra of all Amagakure

If anything, he is one of the best sensors.

Adding Nagato's sensory powers with his speed that even caught the likes of Killer Bee who reacted to FTG [1

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, not to mention he jumped all the way to cliff and Hanzo barely reacted to him [

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]. Keep it in mind that was Nagato's normal speed and Shushin increases speed, he can undoubtedly dodge kamui.

Lol I wonder why people keep telling others to log off, like I would listen and do it ?

When I said he isn't that good a sensor, I was refering to this particular situation. He failed to notice what attack was being used, and he ven thought it was amaterasu, while it was not.

All the above are true.

1- You show a scan where he uses ST, then shunshin while B was distracted and yet still managed to react to him

2- Yet another scan where he uses ST, dudes are surprised, had time to comment on that and then Nagato appeared. And that makes him able to dodge Kamui with pure speed ? As if you are saying he's faster than a Susano arrow at midrange ?

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Here is the cliff, barely 30 meters away from Hanzo. That's not a particularly great feat.

 

[raziel777]

baka he senses the chakra build up retard like every one said and use the summoning before kakashi uses kamui I thought that was self evident I didn't know you needed a step by step play :snick:

Only narrow minds need to use insults to make a point.

1- Kakashi can use it in an instant, like against Deva Path, he was looking at Kakshi and he failed to notice Kakshi using it. That's how fast it was. Or against Obito, when he Kamui'd Naruto before Obito could use Kamui on a spike at close range and without Obito noticing.

Even if Nagato sense it being used, he won't have time to use a summoning.

Try again when you are older.

 

[Bronze]

Lol I wonder why people keep telling others to log off, like I would listen and do it ?

When I said he isn't that good a sensor, I was refering to this particular situation. He failed to notice what attack was being used, and he ven thought it was amaterasu, while it was not.

All the above are true.

1- You show a scan where he uses ST, then shunshin while B was distracted and yet still managed to react to him

2- Yet another scan where he uses ST, dudes are surprised, had time to comment on that and then Nagato appeared. And that makes him able to dodge Kamui with pure speed ? As if you are saying he's faster than a Susano arrow at midrange ?

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Here is the cliff, barely 30 meters away from Hanzo. That's not a particularly great feat.

He only thought it was Amatersu because of Itachi's gets pressured when using it. But he has knowledge on Kamui as i showed in that scan.

1-Its still a great feat for an old crippled man who cant use his legs.

2-Sasuke's Susanoo isn't all that fast as you claim to be. Madara had reacted to them even though he was wayy to far from Obito and still protected him.

Nagato was even capable of out run 6th tail Kyuubi through tendo.

 

[xcoyote]

Kakashi one shots.

 

[Meee]

Kamui is a Space-Time NINJUTSU, I have no idea how this world work but what does Preta do? exactly

 

[raziel777]

He only thought it was Amatersu because of Itachi's gets pressured when using it. But he has knowledge on Kamui as i showed in that scan.

1-Its still a great feat for an old crippled man who cant use his legs.

2-Sasuke's Susanoo isn't all that fast as you claim to be. Madara had reacted to them even though he was wayy to far from Obito and still protected him.

Nagato was even capable of out run 6th tail Kyuubi through tendo.

If he had been a better sensor, he would have thought it was Amaterasu, regardless of the pressure Amaterasu creates when it's used, he should have been able to distinguished between the amaterasu related pressure and another unknow jutsu related pressure. He couldn't. He was surprised that it wasn't Amaterasu.

That's my point, hence the part where I said he wasn't that good of a sensor.


1- Meh, he used a diversion to get behind B. It's not a pure speed feat, just a smart move.

2- I never said Sasuke's susano was fast. I said his arrows were. Even Kakashi who's decently good at shunshin thought they were too fast for him to dodge and he had to use Kamui to suck the two of them, in succession.

Knowing somthing is going to happen doesn't mean you can dodge it, certainly not in the split second kakshi can use his Kamui. Nagato doesn't have the kind of speed feat you are giving him to be able to dodge Kamui. That's like saying he can dodge Amaterasu because he has shunshi. Kamui is kinda faster or same speed as that. Raikage had to use V2 to dodge. Nagato can't do it using pure speed, give me another explanation on how he dodges/defends. Speed isn't the way for him to do it

He didn't outrun anyone. That was anime crap.

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Look at the last panel, they are just a little far from the cliif where Tendo jumped off in the previous scan.

They went just a little farther from the village.


No, Nagato is not dodging Kamui with his speed

 

[Murasame]

If he had been a better sensor, he would have thought it was Amaterasu, regardless of the pressure Amaterasu creates when it's used, he should have been able to distinguished between the amaterasu related pressure and another unknow jutsu related pressure. He couldn't. He was surprised that it wasn't Amaterasu.

That's my point, hence the part where I said he wasn't that good of a sensor.


1- Meh, he used a diversion to get behind B. It's not a pure speed feat, just a smart move.

2- I never said Sasuke's susano was fast. I said his arrows were. Even Kakashi who's decently good at shunshin thought they were too fast for him to dodge and he had to use Kamui to suck the two of them, in succession.

Knowing somthing is going to happen doesn't mean you can dodge it, certainly not in the split second kakshi can use his Kamui. Nagato doesn't have the kind of speed feat you are giving him to be able to dodge Kamui. That's like saying he can dodge Amaterasu because he has shunshi. Kamui is kinda faster or same speed as that. Raikage had to use V2 to dodge. Nagato can't do it using pure speed, give me another explanation on how he dodges/defends. Speed isn't the way for him to do it

He didn't outrun anyone. That was anime crap.

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[raziel777]

@bold I will just say that it doesn't matter whether he didn't know it wasn't amaterasu or not.. the point is he can sense chakra build up in the eye and Kakashi only possesses one MS Jutsu which Nagato through Pain already witnessed. Kakashi doesn't have KA or anything else like Itachi did so this point is moot.

I agree with what you said, this point was just there because I wanted to tell him why Nagato's sensory skills were lacking. It wasn't about the fight per se.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Nagato sensed a pressure. He didn't know what jutsu was going to be used. And if I recall correctly, Obito didn't sense that Kamui was going to be used, he saw Kakashi about to use Kamui.

And as we've seen, Kamui requires less time to perform than Amaterasu.

Even if Nagato manages to sense it, how does he dodge it ? That's my question

Not that hard, sense it then shoot missiles are Kakashi who can stand there and try warping him and die as well or move. He can also Summon his dog at that moment and the dog multiplies and Kakashi can't warp something that big on his own.

Summon his bird which drop exploding eggs on Kakashi if he stays in 1 place to try and Kamui. Push Kakashi miles away and kill him since it broke all of Gamabuta's bones it would kill Kakashi.

 

[Sea Of Thy Soul]

He get's warped due to his immobility.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Nagato sensed a pressure. He didn't know what jutsu was going to be used. And if I recall correctly, Obito didn't sense that Kamui was going to be used, he saw Kakashi about to use Kamui.

And as we've seen, Kamui requires less time to perform than Amaterasu.

Even if Nagato manages to sense it, how does he dodge it ? That's my question

He plain out said Amaterasu, only thing is that the crow came out and used KA , Itachi stilled used Amaterasu right after that. Deva path used his powers to stop Naruto and his clone from killing his other bodies all at once when they were secs from killing them.

If he had been a better sensor, he would have thought it was Amaterasu, regardless of the pressure Amaterasu creates when it's used, he should have been able to distinguished between the amaterasu related pressure and another unknow jutsu related pressure. He couldn't. He was surprised that it wasn't Amaterasu.

That's my point, hence the part where I said he wasn't that good of a sensor.


1- Meh, he used a diversion to get behind B. It's not a pure speed feat, just a smart move.

2- I never said Sasuke's susano was fast. I said his arrows were. Even Kakashi who's decently good at shunshin thought they were too fast for him to dodge and he had to use Kamui to suck the two of them, in succession.

Knowing somthing is going to happen doesn't mean you can dodge it, certainly not in the split second kakshi can use his Kamui. Nagato doesn't have the kind of speed feat you are giving him to be able to dodge Kamui. That's like saying he can dodge Amaterasu because he has shunshi. Kamui is kinda faster or same speed as that. Raikage had to use V2 to dodge. Nagato can't do it using pure speed, give me another explanation on how he dodges/defends. Speed isn't the way for him to do it

He didn't outrun anyone. That was anime crap.

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Look at the last panel, they are just a little far from the cliif where Tendo jumped off in the previous scan.

They went just a little farther from the village.


No, Nagato is not dodging Kamui with his speed

Actually Nagato was right about it being Amaterasu, Itachi stopped using it because that's when the crow came out and used KA then right after Itachi broke out he used Amaterasu so yes Nagato did know Amaterasu's pressure. Nagato has the speed to dodge Kamui sense he'll sense it and can move accordingly like Naruto did. Kakashi can use it about 3-4x before he's out while Nagato can use his Deva path to life Kakashi and slam him into the ground as he did to Hinata then stab Kakashi with his chakra rod to disrupt his chakra.

Also he can just use the 6 paths as alive Nagato always done.

 

[Beetle]

Nagato tanks it with one of the useless paths? like Asura, Animal or Preta? all of these are disposable to beat Kakashi in a battle.

 

[accept pain]

no one should underestimate the uzumaki nagato...mean pain....kamui is not a threat to nagato in this series as much i know

 

[Xāvî1]

Who said he needs to dodge? He uses CT + Asura beam, GG.

Shinra tensei

 

[miromiro]

He just absorbs them and boom, Kamui gone.

 

[Takos]

Simple. He doesn't.

 

[NarutoIndra]

He doesn't, or he starts the fight with summonings in front of him to avoid being in Kakashi's eye sight range, although it is doubtable whether the summonings will always stay out of Kakashi's Kamui range.

 

[EKSITE]

Nagato mastered all 6 elements since the age of 10 he shouldn't be underestimated.

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A simple Hidden Mist Jutsu nagato has so many things in his arsenal to Avoided Kamui.