How does Nagto dodge Kakashi's Kamui in a 1vs1 ?

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Kakashi has shown how good he's become with it, capable of using it multiple times (without Kurama's chakra) and after he's used raikiri and fought an entire day.

So how does Nagato dodge Kamui ? Kamui was fast enough to warp 2 Susano arrows in succession.
 

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Who said he needs to dodge? He uses CT + Asura beam, GG.
 

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Well he can sense the chakra build up or pressure when Itachi was using amaterasu so I think the same should work for Kamui.. he won't be able to dodge with speed still but he can prepare an attack or counter before he fires it off.
 

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Who said he needs to dodge? He uses CT + Asura beam, GG.

While he's about to use CT, he's a sitting duck for Kamui.

If he manages to use CT, Kakashi can Kamui that ish. It's a small ball

Well he can sense the chakra build up or pressure when Itachi was using amaterasu so I think the same should work for Kamui.. he won't be able to dodge with speed still but he can prepare an attack or counter before he fires it off.

Even if he feels the pressure, he wouldn't know that it was Kamui, for all he knows, it might be Amaterasu or any MS jutsus. He can't prepapre for them all, not knowing specifically what he has to counter
 

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Nagato is an accomplished sensor. He was capable of sensing the chakra build up in Itachi's eyes:
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Kakashi has the same pressure as Itachi when performing Kamui. This is proven when Kakashi was about to wrap Juubi, Obito sensed him in time preventing the attack. Nagato's sensory powers are superior, so he should have no problem sensing Kamui and moving out of range giving thoughts of his speed.
 

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Kakashi has to ready the technique to use it, it's not instant enough to stop an onslaught from Nagato.
 

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Even if he feels the pressure, he wouldn't know that it was Kamui, for all he knows, it might be Amaterasu or any MS jutsus. He can't prepapre for them all, not knowing specifically what he has to counter
Except that he does since he witnessed it when he used it to save Choji I believe.
 

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Nagato is an accomplished sensor. He was capable of sensing the chakra build up in Itachi's eyes:
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Kakashi has the same pressure as Itachi when performing Kamui. This is proven when Kakashi was about to wrap Juubi, Obito sensed him in time preventing the attack. Nagato's sensory powers are superior, so he should have no problem sensing Kamui and moving out of range giving thoughts of his speed.

Nagato sensed a pressure. He didn't know what jutsu was going to be used. And if I recall correctly, Obito didn't sense that Kamui was going to be used, he saw Kakashi about to use Kamui.

And as we've seen, Kamui requires less time to perform than Amaterasu.

Even if Nagato manages to sense it, how does he dodge it ? That's my question
 

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Except that he does since he witnessed it when he used it to save Choji I believe.

My question still stands though, how does he counter it ? He can't physically outrun it for starters

Kakashi has to ready the technique to use it, it's not instant enough to stop an onslaught from Nagato.

Kakshi has shown to be able to use it in aninstant, like against Nagato or even against Obito when he manages to warp an entire clone and Obito didn't even notice

Dust into the eyes no jutsu :rolleyes:

Not bad, not bad at all
 

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Nagato sensed a pressure. He didn't know what jutsu was going to be used. And if I recall correctly, Obito didn't sense that Kamui was going to be used, he saw Kakashi about to use Kamui.

And as we've seen, Kamui requires less time to perform than Amaterasu.

Even if Nagato manages to sense it, how does he dodge it ? That's my question
I doubt he can dodge it.. it would have to take the top speediest characters in NV to dodge it and I don't think Nagato is one of them so he'd have to try and defend somehow or attack before it happens.
 

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I doubt he can dodge it.. it would have to take the top speediest characters in NV to dodge it and I don't think Nagato is one of them so he'd have to try and defend somehow or attack before it happens.

I'm trying to think of a way for him to defend but I can't find a good one. Shinra Tensei and CT are not an option
 

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My question still stands though, how does he counter it ? He can't physically outrun it for starters



Kakshi has shown to be able to use it in aninstant, like against Nagato or even against Obito when he manages to warp an entire clone and Obito didn't even notice



Not bad, not bad at all


instantly on a small nail, but this might not be the case for bigger objects like summons and projectiles since you need to pump more chakra into the tech for better results, pull up a scan of kakashi using kamui in an instant. And not any of the ones where he came into contact with the kyuubi, I'm talking about plain old kakashi.
 

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Nagato sensed a pressure. He didn't know what jutsu was going to be used. And if I recall correctly, Obito didn't sense that Kamui was going to be used, he saw Kakashi about to use Kamui.

And as we've seen, Kamui requires less time to perform than Amaterasu.

Even if Nagato manages to sense it, how does he dodge it ? That's my question

Ahh no. He clearly says ''This pressure'' then ''Amatersu'' so he knew the attack. Ohh and about Kamui, Nagato already has knowledge on that jutsu [ ]. Obito was looking at Juubi before the page where Kakashi is about to fire Kamui [ ]. So he most likely sensed it.

Depending on the size of object.

By moving out of range with his shunshin.
 

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he doesn't, no one can except Obito U_U
 

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fk lol all he has to do is use a summoning in front of him and the summoning takes the hit, or he could just use a smoke bomb every ninja has a smoke bomb :p
 

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Ahh no. He clearly says ''This pressure'' then ''Amatersu'' so he knew the attack. Ohh and about Kamui, Nagato already has knowledge on that jutsu [ ]. Obito was looking at Juubi before the page where Kakashi is about to fire Kamui [ ]. So he most likely sensed it.

Depending on the size of object.

By moving out of range with his shunshin.

That was my point. He said it was Amaterasu. But it wasn't. Nagato isn't that good of a sensor.

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It was Itachi about to make his crow use KA.


And shunshin isn't fast enough to dodge Kamui, not when Kakashi could use it at mid range against 2 susano arrows
 

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fk lol all he has to do is use a summoning in front of him and the summoning takes the hit, or he could just use a smoke bomb every ninja has a smoke bomb :p

Yeah because summoning is so much faster than Kamui.
 

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Yeah because summoning is so much faster than Kamui.

baka he senses the chakra build up retard like every one said and use the summoning before kakashi uses kamui I thought that was self evident I didn't know you needed a step by step play :snick:
 

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That was my point. He said it was Amaterasu. But it wasn't. Nagato isn't that good of a sensor.

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It was Itachi about to make his crow use KA.


And shunshin isn't fast enough to dodge Kamui, not when Kakashi could use it at mid range against 2 susano arrows

You should log off with that bold. Nagato's sensory powers are top 5.

-Sensed chakra build up.
-Sensed Kabuto who was in barrier from miles away when best sensors failed to despite latter was in barrier specifically made to prevent being sensed.
-Sensed the chakra of all Amagakure

If anything, he is one of the best sensors.

Adding Nagato's sensory powers with his speed that even caught the likes of Killer Bee who reacted to FTG [1 , not to mention he jumped all the way to cliff and Hanzo barely reacted to him [ ]. Keep it in mind that was Nagato's normal speed and Shushin increases speed, he can undoubtedly dodge kamui.
 
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