How does Hashirama counter Tsukuyomi?

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1. Not manga supported at all.
2. Genjutsu is a form of combat
Whats not manga supported?
Your missing the point genjutsu is a technique that hashi no feats of resistance too. Even Itachi simple genjutsu techniques affect experienced users case and point Oro.

Yes, it is evidently clear that Sasuke used his Cursed Seal mark to break Tsukiyomi, anyone who claims differently are in denial, and a debate with them would be futile and pointless, therefore the continuation of taking this as a joke is in full effect.
I havent read this fanfiction before. Explain plz

Run away with his eyes close
His only option tbh
Tsukuyomi blitzes him in half a second which makes buddha a non factor. It gets tostuka blitzed anyways

Ty and Itachi solo
 

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Sadly hashi gets rekt before he can do anything. Its funny people need intel to put an argument against tsukuyomi. Itachi just too haxs
 

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So is everyone going to ignore hat Hashi couldn't have his mind controlled by Edo Tensei ? What makes you think Itachi can keep Hashirama from breaking a genjutsu witht he huge amounts of chakra he can release ?
 

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Whats not manga supported?
Your missing the point genjutsu is a technique that hashi no feats of resistance too. Even Itachi simple genjutsu techniques affect experienced users case and point Oro.
Why are you comparing Orochimaru, to Hashirama?? And SO6P has no feats of resistance to genjutsu either.. does that mean he can't break it?? no.

Genjutsu was shown 2 ways to be broken:
The person disrupts their own chakra, which you need to be very powerful for. AND somebody else can disrupt your chakra.

^^^^^^ That my friend was stated by a character who has much more experience with techniques.. and much more knowledge. And that character was teaching Naruto Uzumaki, how to break genjutsu, in case he encountered a genjutsu user (direct reference to Itachi Uchiha). So Tsukuyomi is no exception from being able to break out of it, via those 2 methods.


What is Tsukuyomi in a non-hyped/exaggerated form:
A genjutsu/technique avalaible to Itachi Uchiha , that grants him the ability to control and have a very strong control over his opponent's chakra in the brain. In essence, it is a genjutsu that is very powerful (this is no fan-fiction, but breaking down the technique for it is).


Why Sharingan is the best way/easiest way to break it:
The sharingan is unlocked when a special chakra is unlocked in their brain. Meaning their eyes provide the best control over the chakra in the brain (which is used to cast genjutsu), since the sharingan is directly connected to the chakra in the brain. Thus making it easier for those who possess the sharingan, to counter genjutsu.

HOWEVER, this does not mean all sharingan can counter Itachi's tsukuyomi. Because at end of the day, it comes down to power. Is the person's sharingan strong enough to control the chakra in their brains or no and disrrupt the flow. And how do you gain a powerful sharingan?? powerful chakra. So at the end of the day it all comes down to chakra, and the mastery of control.


Itachi's opponents who he used tsukuyomi on:


- Kakashi hatake, he neither possesses the best chakra control.. he doesn't possess natural sharingan chakra... he doesn't possess huge reserves.. he is automatically out of the options of people who can counter him.

- Orochimaru, hes never shown perfected chakra control .. hes also never shown strong chakra like Hashirama or Tobirama.. So hes already out of the options as well.

- Sasuke Uchiha , he possessed stronger eye power than Itachi aka able to counter Itachi's control on his brain's chakra and interrupt the flow..



Now you're claiming, Itachi can use this technique on people who have monsterous chakras, and have very good chakra control.. and crack rooms with just by raising their chakra .. while having no feats of Tsukuyomi being used against people like them.. Not only that.. you also don't have any feats from Itachi using tsukuyomi on somebody like Tsunade or Sakura who are stated to possess the best chakra control....


But you expect people to believe and throw away the logic of how genjutsu can be broken.. because a character's (who has limited knowledge) statement from part 1 and, because hes been successful with that technique against people who aren't really the most skilled to break his technique??

I'm sure you as an Itachi fan have realized by now, how much Itachi's character has been "protected"..
 
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:lol This guy thinks Tsukiyomi would be a factor when Hashi Wood release will easily give him enough distance to avoid Ocualr contact which he obviously would avoid considering he grew up fighting uchihas
 

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:lol This guy thinks Tsukiyomi would be a factor when Hashi Wood release will easily give him enough distance to avoid Ocualr contact which he obviously would avoid considering he grew up fighting uchihas
You must not know Itachi's arsenal. Itachi can embed his crows with his own techniques. Crow flies passed Hashirama, makes eye contact - trapped endgame.

Not to mention I didn't list any stipulations. I only asked how does Hashirama counter Tsukuyomi once he's in it. Which he can't.
 

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Yes, it is evidently clear that Sasuke used his Cursed Seal mark to break Tsukiyomi, anyone who claims differently are in denial, and a debate with them would be futile and pointless, therefore the continuation of taking this as a joke is in full effect.
Lmao people and their fanfics which they pass as Fact :lol

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You must not know Itachi's arsenal.
:lol this guy and his fanfics
Itachi can embed his crows with his own techniques. Crow flies passed Hashirama, makes eye contact - trapped endgame.
Tsukuyomi No :lol even if he does crow gets crushed before reaching hashirama :lol
Not to mention I didn't list any stipulations. I only asked how does Hashirama counter Tsukuyomi once he's in it. Which he can't.
Distance :lol
 
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Only someone with kekkei genkei (blood line - the Uchiha blood line), and Sharingan can break Tsukuyomi.

Sasuke fits the criteria. Now shut up, or bring manga facts. @ Hashirama Fanboys
 

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Why are you comparing Orochimaru, to Hashirama?? And SO6P has no feats of resistance to genjutsu either.. does that mean he can't break it?? no.

Genjutsu was shown 2 ways to be broken:
The person disrupts their own chakra, which you need to be very powerful for. AND somebody else can disrupt your chakra.

^^^^^^ That my friend was stated by a character who has much more experience with techniques.. and much more knowledge. And that character was teaching Naruto Uzumaki, how to break genjutsu, in case he encountered a genjutsu user (direct reference to Itachi Uchiha). So Tsukuyomi is no exception from being able to break out of it, via those 2 methods.


What is Tsukuyomi in a non-hyped/exaggerated form:
A genjutsu/technique avalaible to Itachi Uchiha , that grants him the ability to control and have a very strong control over his opponent's chakra in the brain. In essence, it is a genjutsu that is very powerful (this is no fan-fiction, but breaking down the technique for it is).


Why Sharingan is the best way/easiest way to break it:
The sharingan is unlocked when a special chakra is unlocked in their brain. Meaning their eyes provide the best control over the chakra in the brain (which is used to cast genjutsu), since the sharingan is directly connected to the chakra in the brain. Thus making it easier for those who possess the sharingan, to counter genjutsu.

HOWEVER, this does not mean all sharingan can counter Itachi's tsukuyomi. Because at end of the day, it comes down to power. Is the person's sharingan strong enough to control the chakra in their brains or no and disrrupt the flow. And how do you gain a powerful sharingan?? powerful chakra. So at the end of the day it all comes down to chakra, and the mastery of control.


Itachi's opponents who he used tsukuyomi on:


- Kakashi hatake, he neither possesses the best chakra control.. he doesn't possess natural sharingan chakra... he doesn't possess huge reserves.. he is automatically out of the options of people who can counter him.

- Orochimaru, hes never shown perfected chakra control .. hes also never shown strong chakra like Hashirama or Tobirama.. So hes already out of the options as well.

- Sasuke Uchiha , he possessed stronger eye power than Itachi aka able to counter Itachi's control on his brain's chakra and interrupt the flow..



Now you're claiming, Itachi can use this technique on people who have monsterous chakras, and have very good chakra control.. and crack rooms with just by raising their chakra .. while having no feats of Tsukuyomi being used against people like them.. Not only that.. you also don't have any feats from Itachi using tsukuyomi on somebody like Tsunade or Sakura who are stated to possess the best chakra control....


But you expect people to believe and throw away the logic of how genjutsu can be broken.. because a character's (who has limited knowledge) statement from part 1 and, because hes been successful with that technique against people who aren't really the most skilled to break his technique??

I'm sure you as an Itachi fan have realized by now, how much Itachi's character has been "protected"..
Comapring tsukuyomi to fodder genjutsu nice try my man. Giving hashi other peoples feats and intel just so he doesnt get rekt lml. The orochimaru point is showing itachi fodder genjutsu can trap kage level charcters. The restof your post is just fanfiction and specualtion. Come back with manga scans plz

" Sasuke Uchiha , he possessed stronger eye power than Itachi aka able to counter Itachi's control on his brain's chakra and interrupt the flow.. " Did you read the manga?

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Only someone with kekkei genkei (blood line - the Uchiha blood line), and Sharingan can break Tsukuyomi.

Sasuke fits the criteria. Now shut up, or bring manga facts. @ Hashirama Fanboys
How do people not comprehend these facts
 

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Comapring tsukuyomi to fodder genjutsu nice try my man. Giving hashi other peoples feats and intel just so he doesnt get rekt lml. The orochimaru point is showing itachi fodder genjutsu can trap kage level charcters. The restof your post is just fanfiction and specualtion. Come back with manga scans plz

" Sasuke Uchiha , he possessed stronger eye power than Itachi aka able to counter Itachi's control on his brain's chakra and interrupt the flow.. " Did you read the manga?



How do people not comprehend these facts
We keep linking manga, and db pages.. Yet the Hashirama fapboys haven't linked a SINGLE manga or db panel..
 

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:lol This guy thinks Tsukiyomi would be a factor when Hashi Wood release will easily give him enough distance to avoid Ocualr contact which he obviously would avoid considering he grew up fighting uchihas
IF he decides to do this. it's also possible that with such experience in fighting uchiha's that he won't even bother taking extra measures in avoiding gen cause he knows he can break it easily. that would be his downfall against itachi, someone who is an actual genjutsu tactician.
 

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It's really simple to understand Hashirama cannot break Tsukuyomi. Yet the Hashirama fanboys simply cannot grasp he loses here. It's not that big of a deal. Like I've said multiple times today, Itachi is a broken character. Accept it.
 

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IF he decides to do this. it's also possible that with such experience in fighting uchiha's that he won't even bother taking extra measures in avoiding gen cause he knows he can break it easily. that would be his downfall against itachi, someone who is an actual genjutsu tactician.
Seeing his fight against madara i would say no
It's really simple to understand Hashirama cannot break Tsukuyomi. Yet the Hashirama fanboys simply cannot grasp he loses here. It's not that big of a deal. Like I've said multiple times today, Itachi is a broken character. Accept it.
Hahahaha
Not happening
 

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Tsukuyomi is eye genjutsu... Hashirama's fought eye genjutsu wielding Uchiha since the year dot; do you really think he doesn't know by now to avoid eye contact?
 

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It's really simple to understand Hashirama cannot break Tsukuyomi. Yet the Hashirama fanboys simply cannot grasp he loses here. It's not that big of a deal. Like I've said multiple times today, Itachi is a broken character. Accept it.
Sad, Hahsi fanboy logic : fighting "uchiha before" means hashi can auto counter tsukuyomi. Even when his eyes were open the whloe time in his fight/clashes vs madara.
 

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Sad, Hahsi fanboy logic : fighting "uchiha before" means hashi can auto counter tsukuyomi. Even when his eyes were open the whloe time in his fight/clashes vs madara.
Then they post some crap like "Hashi closes his eyes". Like bruh. Ok he closes his eyes, then gets Ephemeral'd + Totsuka'd. Pick your poison Hashi fapboys.
 

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I think He used the curse mark to power up the sharingan, to break it. Since a regular sharingan wouldn't be strong enough to counter the MS. I would say it was the combo of CM + his sharingan. The CM boosted his sharingan, hence allowing him to break it. Because he was still in the genjutsu, when he released the curse mark, so it can't just be the CM that allowed him to break the Tsukuyomi.

(though, I originally only credited it to his sharingan, and not the CM.)

EDIT: actually nvm, on the other hand, when he gets out of the genjutsu, the CM is not visible. So the CM being released was simply in the genjutsu.
Not sure what the edit was supposed to mean, but no matter which way you twist it, there was a surge of chakra (from the Curse Mark). And we all know logic states a surge in chakra breaks genjutsu, quite simple.
 
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