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And what hiashi saw the part of town that was left after the explosion which they couldn't see since none of them had telescopic vision like him.Topmost panel of the scan you posted
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I'll try to break it down as simple as possible page by page... **Sigh**
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in the link is when the Juubi was settled, correct?
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, This is when it is powering up a TBB to fire in a wild like state
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, is when they used Doton to mess up the FIRST TBB IT FIRED
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, Shows THAT SAME TBB IT FIRED EXPLODE NEAR BY. KAKASHI THEN NOTED ITS DAMAGE ETC BECAUSE IT WASN'T THAT FAR. The Juubi then FIRED YET ANOTHER TBB TO THE DISTANCED
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, The TBB's it fired AFTER the first one they showed that kakashi them seen landed in the sea/coast and in town!
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The TBB that went far beyond their eye site and is literally shown about to land in a town is pages after kakashi. WHat direction do you read the manga?
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yes 3 TBB were fired no one is arguing against it.First in mountains[the explosion multiple ninjas saw];second fell in sea[which kakashi reacted to when it was fired] and third in the town[that hiashi commented on]
None of the tbb exploded nearby kakashi.Look at the same scan you yourself posted you will clearly see distance between Juubi the area were kakashi is to the blast occuring
No nowhere it was stated kakashi saw it landing in the sea.The only one who saw what Tbb has hit it the three times it was fired was hiashi since he has telescopic vision
and there is no reason to believe hiashi won't be able to see the part of town left by the explosion if his telescopic vision allows him to see that far
Im too lazy to draw it out for you, so I'll just try to explain even more simpler. The explosion Kakashi and company seen (the first TBB) has already been documented. The 2nd and 3rd, then was shown. 2nd; Sea, 3rd; Town! Kishi literally made an effort to draw the town, with the TBB about to land in the same picture. He then showed in detail the town explode. Then showed the aftermath of the explosion. What are you reading or seeing?
[video=youtube;shec3lJdxlw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shec3lJdxlw[/video]
I literally have Manga facts and Anime to break it down that you are soooooooooooooooo wrong its not even close.
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The simple reason is kakashi and company only saw the explosion becoz they don't have telescopic vision.No one was shown to see the explosion in the ocean
Only hiashi saw what was left of the explosion from last and smaller tbb becoz he has telesopic vision;x ray vison.He is the only one who can see whats left after the explosion even if there is dust clouds left by the explosion
Repeteadly boasting that you are right doesn't make you right.
Anime also showed what manga showed.All three bijuudama fell around that mountanious region.Hiashi was the only one who could see what was left after the explosion from final smaller bijuudama becoz he is the one with telescopic vision
You clearly didn't see what I was stating. Hiashi seen/tracked a TBB that went outside their (kakashi and alliance) Far-view distance (3rd TBB). My point was that he not only seen the TBB, he called its destination and explosion as the explosion was still occurring. The 3rd TBB was tracked in detail thanks to his Byakugan. Kishi made hiashi in detail call the location of the 3rd one, and not the 1st one that was clearly in everyone's field of vision.
KG you're taking too long too reply, Im heading to sleep soon. No need to dig deep on this one, I'm not digging up scans like i used too (forgot allot of naruto things in general) to entertain this disagreement. I'm not going to go back and forward, got other stuff to do.
Super off topic; Anyone of y'all play the new pokemon games competitively?
Super off topic; Anyone of y'all play the new pokemon games competitively?
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yeah he did exactly same thing what kakashi and co did [
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] but better since he knew what had tbb hit thanks to telescopic visionyou can clearly see the explosion still happening while kakashi talks about it
Damn NB, been a good while.
Yeah the scenarios are different, notice the following:
- Are there any fodders that speak of how far it reached except Kakashi even though the explosion can easily be seen by any in this case? Seem like it was Kakashi in both case both in doesn't matter as the explosion can be seen given the size.
- More importantly, Hiashi is not only able to see how far it reached but how long it took for the target to be destroyed. That stands out well.
How far it reached it? Okay good feat in terms of eye range but being able to perceive how far it reached and how long it was able to accomplish whatever it did to the target shows Hiashi's prowess here. If he wasn't able to follow that TBB to whatever destination then I'm pretty sure he won't be able to tell how long it took that town to be destroyed, which he did. Which means the fact that it destroyed that town in an instant(As soon as it hit), and the fact that Hiashi was able to tell this shows that Hiashi followed that TBB till it hit its target or Hiashi magically knew the target the TBB was going to hit before it hit and we know that's false as he didn't even know the village till the attack happened.
If he said "such a village destroyed". Fine, your point stands considering the range. But being able say how fast it was destroyed, different case considering it was instant.
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Late reply, was busy all day yesterday.
Yes, they can focus in on certain points, but there's nothing saying he did so and it's more plausible to believe the contrary. The bold doesn't matter, that's not any kind of tracking or being able to react to what you see. What we know is that he saw the bomb get fired, and he saw the bomb blow up the town. Put someone like Base Kakashi in Ay's line of fire. Ay would move so fast that Kakashi would be unable to react, but Kakashi was in Ay's field of vision the entire time. So that's not enough. That's like saying sensors can't be blitzed, and they can.
Underlined doesn't make sense.
>Bomb is fired.
>Bomb hits town.
>Hiashi notes that the town just blew up.
That doesn't require any type of speed. That's him seeing that the town blew up.
I never said that you claimed Hiashi could move at that speed. I said that you are claiming he can react at that speed, or close to that speed, which he cannot. Not even close. There's no way you can argue he can track something that moves several dozen miles a second or whatever and not be able to react to things much much slower, which would be all the characters I mentioned.
And you are still ignoring parts of the argument. Seeing a bomb explode from hundreds of miles away isn't tracking, and if he did follow it then it's irrelevant because the farther things are, the easier it is to follow their movements.
He can't track that level of speed nor did he do so with that bomb.
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Idk why you guys think this point is valid. Byakugan sees everything within it's range. Hiashi being able to say that the town was destroyed almost instantly obviously isn't a speed feat. All you need to know is the time between launch and explosion. Hiashi can see everything in that range thus he saw when it was fired and he saw when the town blew up. Nothing even implying he can mentally follow that level of speed.
This is the same exact scenario as when people see Minato, Ay or Naruto use their super speed. The bystanders can tell that they crossed that distance from Point A to Point B "instantly", (literally instant in Minato's case) but they can't follow their movements (Tsunade, Base B, Fodders that Minato fought, Obito) And that's because they saw them before they moved, and after they arrived.
If EMS Sasuke and BSM Naruto, 2 of the fastest non god tier characters, have trouble tracking Juubito, Hiashi (slower than Neji) isn't tracking a bomb that moves over 1000x the speed of sound, with a Dojutsu that doesn't even offer a tracking ability on par with the Sharingan's no less.
Yeah I know the bold part you speak of which is actually a nice point but not only is Hiashi able to see the part where it hits the target which is the same as moving from point A to B, he's able to tell how fast the resulting explosion exterminates it's target right after the hit, which isn't comparable to the rest. What you would notice in every scan where others give their description of the explosion is the fact that they only point out how far it reached or how much it destroyed. It's just like I said: Hiash can see everything but think about this, the BD is fired, the direction/location in which it's going is unknown to Hiashi (and if we say he cannot follow the BD to see where it's going then fine), the BD then hits the location, when it hits the location(assuming Hiashi wasn't following it), Hiashi would then know it just hit the location but not just that, an explosion occurs and instantly destroys the village at once as soon as the hit happened which Hiashi is able to cover right after he realized such a location had been hit assuming he wasn't following the BD while it was moving, if not he won't specify how fast that village was destroyed. Even if Hiashi didn't follow, he got the instant result which is extremely fast and happened instantly after the hit and we're talking an entire village.
Even though the bold and underlined are good points, the first paragraph I just gave would at least show to you that whether to not he actually followed, he definitely had a solid feat there to show which should actually be pointed out. Very solid one. The Byakugan's ability only adds to Hiashi's own. Seeing everything and a better range adds to Hiashi's own ability, we had a similar argument with Apex in the DoU page with the Rinnegan's connected eyes being able to help reactions.
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He was present when the BD was fired, why would the direction be unknown to him? I see what you're saying but it doesn't apply here as that is not how the Byakugan works. That village was in his range, meaning he wouldn't need to follow the Bijuu Dama to where it was going to hit because it's already in his field of vision. Is it a speed feat if Tsunade sees Ay at point A, then Ay reaches point B and she says "He moved there in a flash"? No, because you don't need to track to determine that. You only need to see the starting point and the end point and Tsunade can see both as they are in her field of vision. Hiashi can see both as well. He can see everything, not just anything but everything, between the Juubi and the town that was obliterated. These two scenarios are literally the same exact thing. The only difference is that Hiashi can see farther and wider than Tsunade can.
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By the logic you're using, being able to tell that Naruto was fast, B can track his speed or this is some kind of feat. He saw the town because of Byakugan, not because he followed the bomb's path, and he said "a faraway town was destroyed instantly" because the time between launch and arrival was extremely short. What the other characters said doesn't matter, that doesn't change how time is calculated.
If he wasn't following, which he wasn't as we know it's impossible for him to follow that level of speed, there is no feat besides the fact his Byakugan's range is enormous. Sure, an increased field of vision helps you react to attacks better, but it's nothing noteworthy as it's just an increased field of vision. The main boost there is being able to react to back attacks. The only extraordinary feat here is that he can see that far with his Byakugan.
This is the main part I don't get. How is him being able to tell that the explosion wiped out the town almost instantly count as a speed feat when it's already in his field of vision? It doesn't explode any faster than any other Bijuu Dama that countless characters in this show have seen explode yet it's no feat for them.
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I initially disagreed but on a second thought, you have a point. I've seen there'll be a lot of things that don't make sense but would be incredibly hard to disregard if I use that logic.
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