How do you judge the difficulty of a fight?

[Beans2]

Do you think the difficulty of a matchup is decided by

1. How long it takes for Character A to take down Character B
2. How much chakra/stamina Character A has to use in order to take down Character B

For example:

Early Shippuden Kakashi can arguably take down Hashirama in a few seconds by kamui sniping his head off. The battle doesn't last very long - but Kakashi needs to exert a lot of chakra and stamina in order to use kamui. Just a couple kamui uses put Kakashi in the hospital for a week once. So is it a low diff fight since he finished him in about 3 seconds, or is it a mid-high diff fight since he had to exert a lot of stamina/chakra to defeat her?

Another example: Deidara vs the 3rd Raikage (assuming Deidara won't use C0). Let's say Deidara starts on his bird. There's no way for the Raikage to reach him, since he cannot touch Deidara due to flight, but there's no way for Deidara to hurt him, since the Raikage dodges/tanks/disables clay with raiton. So the logical conclusion would be to say the Raikage wins by an outlast (raikage is obviously the ninja with better stamina). So is this a low diff fight, since the Raikage doesn't have to exert much chakra to beat Deidara, or is it a high diff fight since it took so long?

I'd just like to know your opinion. Personally, I try to factor in a little bit of both chakra exertion as well as time - but I have no exact way of calculating it.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Both, but I lean towards chakra/stamina exertion a bit more.

 

[RicardoA]

Neither.

I judge the difficulty (primarily) according to how many resources a character would need to use to win. For example, if Itachi doesn't need his MS to win i consider his victory low-mid diff, but if he needs Amaterasu and/or Susanoo to pull it off, then i consider it a mid-high diff win.

 

[KidGamer65]

For your Raikage example, its not hard for him to sit around and outlast Deidara, so it wouldn't be a high diff fight despite the time. For the Kakashi example, it would be a low diff fight if he got him with one strike. Despite Kamui taking a lot of chakra, Kakashi could still use it without panting, and its not hard for him to do it, the after effects are just bad..though not that bad if he only uses it once. If he had to use it multiple times and ended up in the hospital, then it'd be high diff.

So I go with number 2, though it also depends on how hard it is for a character to perform the actions they perform during a fight.

 

[Beans2]

For your Raikage example, its not hard for him to sit around and outlast Deidara, so it wouldn't be a high diff fight despite the time. For the Kakashi example, it would be a low diff fight if he got him with one strike. Despite Kamui taking a lot of chakra, Kakashi could still use it without panting, and its not hard for him to do it, the after effects are just bad..though not that bad if he only uses it once. If he had to use it multiple times and ended up in the hospital, then it'd be high diff.

So I go with number 2, though it also depends on how hard it is for a character to perform the actions they perform during a fight.

Those examples are not perfect, so don't base your decision 100% by them

I just couldn't think of any other way to express my thoughts

 

[KidGamer65]

Those examples are not perfect, so don't base your decision 100% by them

I just couldn't think of any other way to express my thoughts

Nah, they are good, I also factored in all the other VS threads I've seen in my decision regardless.

 

[RedRobin]

I mostly judge it based on what moves they had to use to end the battle.

If Hashirama has to resort to SM then its a high diff win for him. He beat Madara high diff.

Of course add in other things like stamina and chakra.

 

[Icelerate]

For your Raikage example, its not hard for him to sit around and outlast Deidara, so it wouldn't be a high diff fight despite the time. For the Kakashi example, it would be a low diff fight if he got him with one strike. Despite Kamui taking a lot of chakra, Kakashi could still use it without panting, and its not hard for him to do it, the after effects are just bad..though not that bad if he only uses it once. If he had to use it multiple times and ended up in the hospital, then it'd be high diff.

So I go with number 2, though it also depends on how hard it is for a character to perform the actions they perform during a fight.

What if a fight can go two ways, either opponent 1 manages to one shot opponent 2 with ease or else opponent 2 ends up winning. What I mean is if a fight can go either way but it would be a low diff win regardless, would you consider it a high diff fight? I personally would.

OT: I take into account various variables and how much more of a threat the other opponent is to the victor. If one has to come up with a risky plan to win, it would be a mid difficulty fight at the very least.

 

[KidGamer65]

What if a fight can go two ways, either opponent 1 manages to one shot opponent 2 with ease or else opponent 2 ends up winning. What I mean is if a fight can go either way but it would be a low diff win regardless, would you consider it a high diff fight? I personally would.

OT: I take into account various variables and how much more of a threat the other opponent is to the victor. If one has to come up with a risky plan to win, it would be a mid difficulty fight at the very least.

If O1 can one shot O2 with ease, then it'd be low diff. I don't see how any fight could go either way, but end up as a low diff. Though I could be misunderstanding you here. An example would help me understand better, if you can come up with one.

 

[KazekageDaichi]

It depends on the winner's passivity during the fight.

 

[Inert Brian]

If O1 can one shot O2 with ease, then it'd be low diff. I don't see how any fight could go either way, but end up as a low diff. Though I could be misunderstanding you here. An example would help me understand better, if you can come up with one.

What Icelrate saying is that if someone has to resort to their trump card at the start of a fight, would that make it high diff since they had to use their best move due to how strong the other person is?

Ex: Itachi using Amaterasu against Base Jiraiya at the start of a fight to win. If the fight dragged on, Jman could get SM then prep frog song.

 

[Kαmi]

What Icelrate saying is that if someone has to resort to their trump card at the start of a fight, would that make it high diff since they had to use their best move due to how strong the other person is?

Ex: Itachi using Amaterasu against Base Jiraiya at the start of a fight to win. If the fight dragged on, Jman could get SM then prep frog song.

Yes, this is kinda one of the things I take into account when trying to decide difficulty. Also, the obvious factor of how much effort and chakra a person outputs in winning and of course the time it could possibly take. Also try to consider just how much one character fighting style's can dominate another one's.

 

[KidGamer65]

What Icelrate saying is that if someone has to resort to their trump card at the start of a fight, would that make it high diff since they had to use their best move due to how strong the other person is?

Ex: Itachi using Amaterasu against Base Jiraiya at the start of a fight to win. If the fight dragged on, Jman could get SM then prep frog song.

Nope, because they wouldn't have any difficulty defeating them in the long run.

Madara needs PS to defeat Nagato, anything else and that's a loss for him. If he jumps straight to PS and kills Nagato with two strikes, we can't really say its high diff since he didn't really have any issue defeating Nagato, he just needed his best jutsu to do it.

 

[Inert Brian]

One slight issue with the poll.

As time in a fight increases, more chakra is exerted to win in a fight. Also that there is no black and white answer like the poll is set up as.

I rate the difficulty of fights primarily by the chances the characters have of winning.

Neg diff - The character has absolute victory. Ex: Kakashi vs 1 fodder sound village jonin

Low diff - The character has just about absolute victory, while not in too much danger, they need to put in effort to win. Ex: Madara vs Shinobi alliance.

Med diff - The character has to try to win the fight, he has some chance of losing, but would win 8/10 times. Ex: Part 1 Sasuke vs Gaara

High diff - The character has to try to win the fight, he has higher chances of losing, but would win about 6.5-7/10 times. Possibly sustaining some injuries that need treatment. Ex: Deidara vs Gaara

Extremely high diff - The character has to try his best to win, winning is basically a toss up 50-50. Ex: VOTE, CM2 Sasuke vs 1 tailed Naruto

 

[AlphaScythian]

I use actual probability for it to happen.

 

[Icelerate]

If O1 can one shot O2 with ease, then it'd be low diff. I don't see how any fight could go either way, but end up as a low diff. Though I could be misunderstanding you here. An example would help me understand better, if you can come up with one.

I couldn't think of a better example so here me out. Let's say Sakura is fighting a swordsman, she realizes that direct combat will be ineffective because swords give greater reach in combat then fists and that Byakogou wouldn't heal from cutting her body in half so she decides to punch the ground and is almost successful. If the swordsman were just a tad bit slower, it would be a low difficulty win for Sakura instead. I'd still consider it a high difficulty win though due to the threat level for both parties.

 

[Eternal Sage]

A mix of everything, resources, time, exertion, etc

 

[Inert Brian]

I couldn't think of a better example so here me out. Let's say Sakura is fighting a swordsman, she realizes that direct combat will be ineffective because swords give greater reach in combat then fists and that Byakogou wouldn't heal from cutting her body in half so she decides to punch the ground and is almost successful. If the swordsman were just a tad bit slower, it would be a low difficulty win for Sakura instead. I'd still consider it a high difficulty win though due to the threat level for both parties.

In that case it would be med diff because the swordsman had his chances, but Sakura can still take the fight with some difficulties.

 

[Draegod]

To me if a character has to use their best move/transformation (that they normally do not use or start off with; I.e. Kamui) then it was an High diff fight at minimum. Low diff means I didn't have to put much effort, time, jutsu, strategy etc etc. But If Say Hashirama has to use SS to kill said opponent then they pushed Hashirama to the point that every other tactic/jutsu was a failure or useless.

 

[Xlad]

Danzo ones shots.

No but seriously, a person using their strongest attack against an inferior opponent doesn't make any sense to me. I usually account for the main movesets of both sides. If I see the fight going either way or a high difficulty match, I switch to probability instead.

I.e:
- Kisame vs Itachi: I see this fight going either way, so I use probability instead.
- MS Sasuke vs Deidara: MS Sasuke wouldn't need to use his strongest attack or so to defeat Deidara. Yeah, it's pretty bad matchup. But still.

Low difficulty: Not having to use much attacks.
Med: Using a a few high level attacks and low ones.
High: Resort to using the strongest moves.

Not really good at debating, Lol. But that's how I see it most of the time.