How could Indras Arrow tie?

[Lost Woods Denizen]

Nice explanation, although the last part, Naruto won the fight against Sasuke before he lost his hand so im pretty sure Naruto is more powerful

What do you mean "before he lost his hand?" There was no point that there was one attack that overpowered the other. The flow of the fight shows this. They began with a charge which neither overpowered the other, then went to avatar versions of their techniques which sent them to the white room of equality, then they used their strongest versions of their attacks (the aforementioned indra arrow and twin rasenshuriken) which cancelled each other, and lastly relied on taijutsu which left them BOTH kneeling after all day of hitting each other. The last attacks that did in fact cost them their arms were also even. Sasuke and Naruto are different only in their bodies recovery time, as Naruto is of Uzumaki lineage, but his weakness in not killing Sasuke then could have cost him if Sasuke decided to put him in an illusion when he woke up (you don't need your BODY to use your EYES, and this is the difference between sage body and eyes) so, again, balance was maintained because of Sasuke's choice. Their individual actions maintain balance.

 

[SSStylish]

Naruto clearly says he wasn't trying to kill Sasuke. So potentially that means he didn't even use his strongest possible attack/combination. Not to mention, both Sasuke and Naruto had Bijuu Chakra and Senjutsu from Hogo, and Kurama and Bijuu chakra should not be placed in seperate categories. You are just trying to add to the already contradicting list of add-ons.

He went all out with his attack. No doubt about that. We've been through this too many times.

Kurama boosts Narutos overall stats. That's why I added him in a different category.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

You mean how could 2 rasen shuriken tie with perfect sousano arrow powerd with raiton and all the bjuu right

 

[UzumakiWade]

What do you mean "before he lost his hand?" There was no point that there was one attack that overpowered the other. The flow of the fight shows this. They began with a charge which neither overpowered the other, then went to avatar versions of their techniques which sent them to the white room of equality, then they used their strongest versions of their attacks (the aforementioned indra arrow and twin rasenshuriken) which cancelled each other, and lastly relied on taijutsu which left them BOTH kneeling after all day of hitting each other. The last attacks that did in fact cost them their arms were also even. Sasuke and Naruto are different only in their bodies recovery time, as Naruto is of Uzumaki lineage, but his weakness in not killing Sasuke then could have cost him if Sasuke decided to put him in an illusion when he woke up (you don't need your BODY to use your EYES, and this is the difference between sage body and eyes) so, again, balance was maintained because of Sasuke's choice. Their individual actions maintain balance.

Actually if Naruto was serious he could have used two bijuu rasenshuriken instead of one bijuu rasenshuriken and one normal to defeat Sasuke's indra's arrow and even if Sasuke used genjutsu he still couldn't move for an entire day so there was no way he could have killed Naruto even then. Sakura would have still arrived and seen that Naruto was placed in a genjutsu and knock him out of it.

Edit : Also when they were laying there they were both sucked dry of chakra so there was no way Sasuke could have done anything.

 

[nightwolf888]

naruto had way then that, he was nerfed, look at his truth seeking balls , only 3, and why all of sudden his other tailed beastd inside him were gone? if would been allowed to use his steam chakra, his clones would have ****ed up sasuke

 

[juzumaki]

pretty sure he did it to cancel out indras arrow like he done through out the whole fight not that difficult to understand right

 

[SuperJak777]

He went all out with his attack. No doubt about that. We've been through this too many times.

Kurama boosts Narutos overall stats. That's why I added him in a different category.

Kurama does not count as it's own stat boost if Naruto has the other bijuu. It's not like Kurama is the only one he has access to. And anyway, does it matter? It doesn't change the fact that Sasuke still tied with Naruto. It doesn't change the fact that the manga is over and it doesn't change the stupidity of this thread. Honestly I have had just about enough of this site. You can't change what happened. I can say what I believe, and you can say yours. Both are wrong yet right. I think I'm done with NB. Not because of this thread, but because these threads are all that's left here: "This is wrong" or "Why you should hate this." Thank you for helping me vent. This thread had use after all.

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

Actually if Naruto was serious he could have used two bijuu rasenshuriken instead of one bijuu rasenshuriken and one normal to defeat Sasuke's indra's arrow and even if Sasuke used genjutsu he still couldn't move for an entire day so there was no way he could have killed Naruto even then. Sakura would have still arrived and seen that Naruto was placed in a genjutsu and knock him out of it.

Edit : Also when they were laying there they were both sucked dry of chakra so there was no way Sasuke could have done anything.

You may be correct, except that Naruto was INCAPABLE of making two bijuu rasenshuriken. The way this fight was written left little room for anything besides balance. Naruto and Kurama were able to make one bijuu rasenshuriken, and that was their limit. It was only through the ADDED chakra from the clone absorbing natural chakra that a second rasenshuriken was able to be made in the first place. Rather than just the pictures, the unsaid meaning behind each frame is how this fight should have been read.

What do you think?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Naruto clearly says he wasn't trying to kill Sasuke. So potentially that means he didn't even use his strongest possible attack/combination. Not to mention, both Sasuke and Naruto had Bijuu Chakra and Senjutsu from Hogo, and Kurama and Bijuu chakra should not be placed in seperate categories. You are just trying to add to the already contradicting list of add-ons.

All you Naruto defenders are becoming so very amusing.

Naruto did not want to kill Sasuke. But that does not mean he didn't resolve to.
Viz scan confirms it

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As for Naruto not using his strongest possible attack, that's also desperate reaching that is clearly not true. Naruto was surprised that Kurama had gathered so much Nature Energy at one time, implying that it was the most Nature Energy Naruto had ever encountered in one sitting, as Kurama had been gathering Nature Energy for him for a while, and he was still surprised he got so much. After the explosion and they fell to the ground, Naruto's Sage Mode was gone, meaning he put ALL of that Nature Energy into his two attacks. The number of Rasen-attacks he formed doesn't matter, because it's still one set of Nature Energy fueling him. Two Rasen-attacks divided into two halves, five Rasen-attacks would have just divided it by 5. Naruto put the most power he possibly could have into those attacks, and despite having a nature advantage, the Bijuu's help, and a substance that cancels ninjutsu, he and Sasuke ended up crashing after receiving an equal amount of damage, because Sasuke was just that strong.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Sasuke's attack arguably had more chakra put into it with the chakra of 8 full bijuu + 50% Kurama. Naruto's attacks likely had less chakra, but had the elemental advantage, likely causing the two to cancel each other out.

What Sparks said.

 

[SSStylish]

Kurama does not count as it's own stat boost if Naruto has the other bijuu. It's not like Kurama is the only one he has access to. And anyway, does it matter? It doesn't change the fact that Sasuke still tied with Naruto. It doesn't change the fact that the manga is over and it doesn't change the stupidity of this thread. Honestly I have had just about enough of this site.

So we can't talk about Naruto related things because we can't change them and because it ended?

@bold Get lost then. With an attitude like that you won't be missed.

 

[UzumakiWade]

You may be correct, except that Naruto was INCAPABLE of making two bijuu rasenshuriken. The way this fight was written left little room for anything besides balance. Naruto and Kurama were able to make one bijuu rasenshuriken, and that was their limit. It was only through the ADDED chakra from the clone absorbing natural chakra that a second rasenshuriken was able to be made in the first place. Rather than just the pictures, the unsaid meaning behind each frame is how this fight should have been read.

What do you think?

Which means that they both held the balance, not Sasuke alone, Sasuke couldn't have performed genjutsu because, like i said, they were both sucked dry of chakra. Otherwise Naruto could have called on Kyuubi to knock him out of the genjutsu and to heal his injuries so he could continue fighting, but the kyuubi was out of chakra, like sasuke. They both restored balance together, thats what i believe.

 

[UzumakiWade]

You may be correct, except that Naruto was INCAPABLE of making two bijuu rasenshuriken. The way this fight was written left little room for anything besides balance. Naruto and Kurama were able to make one bijuu rasenshuriken, and that was their limit. It was only through the ADDED chakra from the clone absorbing natural chakra that a second rasenshuriken was able to be made in the first place. Rather than just the pictures, the unsaid meaning behind each frame is how this fight should have been read.

What do you think?

Which means that they both held the balance, not Sasuke alone, Sasuke couldn't have performed genjutsu because, like i said, they were both sucked dry of chakra. Otherwise Naruto could have called on Kyuubi to knock him out of the genjutsu and to heal his injuries so he could continue fighting, but the kyuubi was out of chakra, like sasuke. They both restored balance together, thats what i believe.

 

[SuperJak777]

So we can't talk about Naruto related things because we can't change them and because it ended?

@bold Get lost then. With an attitude like that you won't be missed.

Not what I meant. I mean it doesn't seem pointless to keep complaining about the same subjects over and over again? Does that not get tiring? What is the point of complaining about a thing you can't change. Then again here I am, talking to a user I have seen countless times never even consider another point of view. I do agree with you on things sometimes, but suddenly when someone disagrees with you why not listen? You may be right. I may be wrong. I am no genius, and it was wrong of me to approach with that attitude, so I apologize. I perhaps have just gotten tired of seeing this certain topic everyday, Sasuke is a bada** so why does it matter if he should've beat Naruto? He is a much better character, that is a much bigger victory to me then winning a battle.

 

[Dannie]

All you Naruto defenders are becoming so very amusing.

Naruto did not want to kill Sasuke. But that does not mean he didn't resolve to.
Viz scan confirms it

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As for Naruto not using his strongest possible attack, that's also desperate reaching that is clearly not true. Naruto was surprised that Kurama had gathered so much Nature Energy at one time, implying that it was the most Nature Energy Naruto had ever encountered in one sitting, as Kurama had been gathering Nature Energy for him for a while, and he was still surprised he got so much. After the explosion and they fell to the ground, Naruto's Sage Mode was gone, meaning he put ALL of that Nature Energy into his two attacks. The number of Rasen-attacks he formed doesn't matter, because it's still one set of Nature Energy fueling him. Two Rasen-attacks divided into two halves, five Rasen-attacks would have just divided it by 5. Naruto put the most power he possibly could have into those attacks, and despite having a nature advantage, the Bijuu's help, and a substance that cancels ninjutsu, he and Sasuke ended up crashing after receiving an equal amount of damage, because Sasuke was just that strong.

Just beautiful. U_U

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

Which means that they both held the balance, not Sasuke alone, Sasuke couldn't have performed genjutsu because, like i said, they were both sucked dry of chakra. Otherwise Naruto could have called on Kyuubi to knock him out of the genjutsu and to heal his injuries so he could continue fighting, but the kyuubi was out of chakra, like sasuke. They both restored balance together, thats what i believe.

Which is what I said at the end of one of my prior posts. Both of their actions maintained balance because it takes two things to balance in the first place.

 

[The Legendary Noob]

All you Naruto defenders are becoming so very amusing.

Naruto did not want to kill Sasuke. But that does not mean he didn't resolve to.
Viz scan confirms it

You must be registered for see images

As for Naruto not using his strongest possible attack, that's also desperate reaching that is clearly not true. Naruto was surprised that Kurama had gathered so much Nature Energy at one time, implying that it was the most Nature Energy Naruto had ever encountered in one sitting, as Kurama had been gathering Nature Energy for him for a while, and he was still surprised he got so much. After the explosion and they fell to the ground, Naruto's Sage Mode was gone, meaning he put ALL of that Nature Energy into his two attacks. The number of Rasen-attacks he formed doesn't matter, because it's still one set of Nature Energy fueling him. Two Rasen-attacks divided into two halves, five Rasen-attacks would have just divided it by 5. Naruto put the most power he possibly could have into those attacks, and despite having a nature advantage, the Bijuu's help, and a substance that cancels ninjutsu, he and Sasuke ended up crashing after receiving an equal amount of damage, because Sasuke was just that strong.

naruto barely had any of the bijuu's chakra left in him while sasuke had like 90% of each Bijuu
he needed the nature energy to somewhat match that level

even then he still tied with sasuke's attack

 

[Punk Hazard]

naruto barely had any of the bijuu's chakra left in him while sasuke had like 90% of each Bijuu
he needed the nature energy to somewhat match that level

even then he still tied with sasuke's attack

People are seriously underestimating the power of Nature Energy. The Juubi literally ran on that shit.

 

[The Legendary Noob]

People are seriously underestimating the power of Nature Energy. The Juubi literally ran on that shit.

but you're underestimating all the bijuu's powers
he doesn't have just one, he had like... all of them in his susanoo

you don't realize how much chakra that was

 

[Punk Hazard]

but you're underestimating all the bijuu's powers
he doesn't have just one, he had like... all of them in his susanoo

you don't realize how much chakra that was

You misunderstand me. Yes, Sasuke's arrow was enhanced by the Bijuu's chakra, but Naruto's was running on Nature Energy which is already very powerful, plus a nature advantage, Ninjutsu-cancelling ability, Bijuu's chakra of his own, and the Sage's powerup. I fully realize how much chakra that was because at the end of the day, it was enough to match all of that.