How can people actually say Raikage beat Sasuke?

[psukkar]

Any1 using garra's sand abilities before the kimmano fight in part 1 to now needs to re-read/watch the part 1 and start of part 2 again.

Also people riakiage already showed he can easily break the sassno bones with a backhand chop so kick from above would definitely kill sasuke on the ground lying there with only his "solid...lolol" flames covering his front part of HIS WHOLE BODY.

 

[D3A]

sasuke wasnt at the level to beat a kage, he lost that all. why argue about it? if i start beating on some guy and tossing him around with my back hand and all he can do is defend, and i do some crazy ish to get 1 more hit interrupted or not, i won. raikage did the most damage, his arm wasnt much of a scrifice cuz he doesnt use hand signs and he dam decapitate people with the other.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

Thank you for writing it respectful now i can do the same for you replying like adults instead of children.The reason i brought up garra was because of his Ultimate denfense compared to susanoo, If sasuke Chidori got threw garra's sand denfense further then Raikage lightning armor leg drop I really don't think it would kill sasuke. Sasuke used Kirin against Itachi but he block it only with susanoo Skeleton ribs look how much damage Kirin did to the Uchiha hideout plus sasuke's a lightning user so does'nt that mean the raikage lightning attack damage decrease?Plus sasuke had his incomplete susanoo to soften the blow again.

like i have proven. Sasuke's speed went through Gaaras sand. not chidori itself. with that being said all your questions about "how could lightning be stopped by sand" is ridiculous. and like someone stated Gaara stopping A does not show A's weakness in his attack, it shows Gaaras strength in his defense.

but compared to Sasuke's level 1 Sasunoo. we already know how it held up agaisnt A's attacks. it was being destroyed after each blow. that is fact and evident in the manga and you cannot argue that.

level 2 Sasunoo was much stronger i will admit. but there is nothing to prove that Sasuke would have activated it on A's leg drop. there is more evidence to point out the HE WOULD NOT have activated level 2 Sasunoo because he was more focused on Amaterasu. that is shown by the expression on his eyes. it takes 2 to use Sasunoo but he was focusing on the eye that controls Amaterasu, that is shown by the eye being full of veins, blood and him covering the opposite eye.

Right there you did state there was 3 defense protecting sasuke at the time, sasuke used Amaterasu to harm the raikage not to Shield himself because if that was the case there would be no need for susanoo if sasuke already has another defense.

yes i did state 3 defenses i never denied that. but where did i ever say Amaterasu is solid? and also are you going to deny that he had 3 defenses? are you going to deny that when Amaterasu failed as an offensive attack that Sasuke switched to using Amaterasu to defend him? are you going to deny those 2?

and also: Sasuke's Sasunoo was not enough to block Raikage. Raikage was doing damage and not slowing down. so when Raikage teleported behind Sasuke to strike him, Sasuke responded by adding Amaterasu to his defenses (Sasunoo). this was an act and attempt to make Raikage cease his attack. this is noted by Karin. but Raikage who suprised Sasuke, Karin, and even his bodygaurds Darui, and Shi did not hault and continued with the attack anyways. so in that case you are wrong in your assumption. as we clearly see in the manga Sasuke used both Sasunoo and Amaterasu to defend himself. Raikage still responded to Sasuke's defenses with attacking THROUGH IT, never slowing down or backing off.

So does are my reasonable reasons why i think sasuke was going to win this one if the raikage was able to keep his cool like bee did he would have had a better chance.The reason so is the raikage has tail beast chakra he could of out last sasuke when it comes to chakra.

well of course. but you cannot say that the person who was the agressor, who landed the most attacks, dealt damage, and was unaffected by the other opponents attacks is the loser. yes Raikage lost his arm but he only lost it because HE made that desicion. he could easily have chosen to not attack the amaterasu covered Sasuke (which was the stradegy for Sasuke and his point in covering himself with Amaterasu).

also you still never answered my plee to show evidence of Sasuke giving a successful attack, an offensive attack that connected and dealt apparent damage. a link, picture, video anything that proves it.

I have seen many not only disregard but actually degrade the concept of Shape/Nature Transformation regarding "fire is solid". Well, where it may not be solid, it can be shaped to whatever the user wants it to be in terms of shape, properties, etc. Sasuke is skilled in many things but one in particular is this form of chakra control. Take his Chidori Eisō which can indeed pierce as it is evident:

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This is harnessed with the use of Shape Transformation to turn electricity chakra (non-solid) into something that can cut (solid). Sasuke’s Enton is similar with the usage of both Shape/Nature Transformation to manipulate his Amaterasu flames. It still remains unknown what Enton: Kagutsuchi can do. However, many here are stating as fact that it cannot display solid properties. Well through the use of Shape/Nature Transformation this can be achieved-no doubt about it. To say otherwise is calling Kishimoto a lier of his own manga. We can all speculate whether or not Kagutsuchi is solid or not although due to this technique’s halt we have yet to confirm this.

From mere observation of this technique, the name Kagustuchi when translated:

Ka=Fire/Gu=Tool/Tsuchi=Earth/Soil

The "Tsuchi" meaning Earth/Soil may imply that this technique can have solid properties. It seems as though it shields, burns and pierces (in terms of the spike-like shapes). Sasuke also uses Enton to guard against Gaara’s Suna no Tate:

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Sasuke chooses to defend himself with Enton against the same sand shield Gaara used to block A’s Guillotine Drop. It seems as though Sasuke’s Enton can be a very powerful defense as it can block against the Sand Shield which has been labeled "stronger than steel" once before. Which may also give a glimpse as to what Kagutsuchi entails.

Only Kishi ultimately knows who would have won and until these two fight again using their complete arsenal may we then know who is the true victor. To say "Raikage beat Sasuke hands down" is simply ridiculous as Sasuke clearly continued after the fight was interrupted between the two up until he was healed by Zetsu’s Hōshi no Jutsu/Madara’s dimension where Karin healed him.

All we can do is give our personal opinions over the matter but to factually elect one of them as the victor is incorrect.​

i will accept your explanation of "fire is solid" because you made very valid points.

 

[Sakon]

Man the Raikage won all day.

 

[deidara senpai]

IMO sasuke would have won

because sasuke has susano and blaze elemnet on and raikage was so dumb to attack because gaaras defence stopped raikages attack and later on sasukes susano prooved to be better defence so raikage wouldnt have broke through he would have died or be fataly scared by having to probably lose his leg

the battle never ended but it would have ended with sasuke winning if nobody interfered i have no clue what everyone else said and i DONT feel like going through 35 pages so thats my point

winner sasuke

 

[deidara senpai]

and sorry for douple spam but i made a mistake

NOBODY won the fight im saying sasuke WOULD HAVE if gaara never interfered

 

[natssuu]

Sasuke got away from 2 kages and 4 Jonins. That's pretty good.

 

[f4nboy]

If Gaara wouldnt stopped raikage, that last Guillotine Drop would be a K.O for sasuke

 

[captainEO]

I thought this thread died a long time ago

 

[ackeem1992]

lmao who the f*** revived this dead for how long now thread.

 

[666]

If Raikage was cool-headed, he could have used his powers more effectively and won, but since he was blood-lusted and Sasuke was IC, he only embarrassed himself, even though Sasuke got PIMP SMACKED, x D

 

[Omnom]

Sasuke got away from 2 kages and 4 Jonins. That's pretty good.

Forget the fact that without Madara's Space Time and info, he would've died AT LEAST twice in the whole ordeal.

He was in the MIDDLE of Tsuichkage's Dust Element and would've been a gonner

He wouldn't have know about the seal danzo had placed and would've been absorbed by that

 

[captainEO]

Forget the fact that without Madara's Space Time and info, he would've died AT LEAST twice in the whole ordeal.

He was in the MIDDLE of Tsuichkage's Dust Element and would've been a gonner

He wouldn't have know about the seal danzo had placed and would've been absorbed by that

No duh, he took on 5 kage and their jounin bodyguards (a suicide mission). Of course he'd have difficulties, it wouldn't be realistic if had gotten out of there without a scratch. What's impressive is the fact that he did what no one else could or would do and lived another day.

Dammit... I've just kept an old dead thread alive
/no more posts

 

[D3A]

No duh, he took on 5 kage and their jounin bodyguards (a suicide mission). Of course he'd have difficulties, it wouldn't be realistic if had gotten out of there without a scratch. What's impressive is the fact that he did what no one else could or would do and lived another day.

Dammit... I've just kept an old dead thread alive
/no more posts

The only reason he's lived another day is because of Zetsu and his great great great great great great great great great great great great granddad

 

[Naruto420]

sasuke would surley have died there. MAYBE by raikage and if he had suvived that one, this one would kill him: Tsuichkage's Dust Element, he was lucky that madara came in and stopped that attack.

 

[nite]

tbh Raikage kinda fought like a moron . ( If Raikage had mid range Ninjutsu he should of used them against Sasuke's Enton or Amaturasu covered Susanoo .)

The fight was a draw .

 

[raxy]

Its hard to predict the winner as the fight never ended......

 

[captainEO]

The only reason he's lived another day is because of Zetsu and his great great great great great great great great great great great great granddad

Exactly, he needed help that's what made the 5 kage arc realistic. As I said it was a suicide mission, he would have died if he hadn't had help.
Again, what's impressive is the fact he took on each kage at some point, and at one point he warded off an attack from a kage and 3 jounin, not only that but he was able to hold his own against 2 kage, their jounin bodyguards and samurai all at the same time.

I don't know if you get what I'm saying but a feat is a feat. Even Madara said he couldn't take on the 5 kage at once.

 

[captainEO]

Please don't let me be the last to have posted in this stupid thread

 

[KAPOOOO]

Please don't let me be the last to have posted in this stupid thread

agree stupid + iam savid you