How can people actually say Raikage beat Sasuke?
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Professor Sarutobi
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Sasuke lost and raikage was only emotional againest him because the dude abducted his little brother after he found out bee was fine mifune made him the alliance leader because he calmed down. fighting anyone else he wouldn't have gave up an arm or leg for one attack.
Tkage:"The raikage? was he not disqualified for his overreliance on his emotion and strength?"
Mifune:"we can safely assume that the hachibi still lives. The raikage will likely be able to contain himself better then before."
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Tkage:"The raikage? was he not disqualified for his overreliance on his emotion and strength?"
Mifune:"we can safely assume that the hachibi still lives. The raikage will likely be able to contain himself better then before."
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In this particular fight we can only state that it was a draw no matter what fantasy conclusions weve made up in our heads. I also believe if the clock where turned back and they had the chance to go and do it again the fight would be totally diffrent for some reason Sasuke is determined to use only brute force instead of his normal method of using his brain. He wanted to end it quickly but soon found out the Raikage was no delicate flower. He was to cought up in revenge and not fully thinking about the fight at hand. However the Raikage always seems to be this way and is extremely cocky but I guess he can be as cocky as he want with power like that.
Professor Sarutobi
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they both normally use their heads from what i can tell seeing as hes the leader of the shinobi joint forces, compare how he acts right after madara decalares the war to how he acted during the summit and fight with sasuke, completly different because he was on a rampage to kill sasuke because (and idk how many times iv gotta point it out) SASUKE ABDUCTED BEE, HIS LITTLE BROTHER. tell me if you had the chance to kill the person who killed your little brother (assuming you have a younger sibling and care about them) you wouldn't act alot rasher then normal.
sasuke beat raikage hands down. if it wasnt for gaara interfering, i think sasuke would had somehow found a way to win. sasuke is really strong and he actually was thinking things through (unlike raikage who probably would had died from just rushing into sasuke all the time)
Realtwisted
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how? Oh you mean Raikage, Kazekage plus their team vs Sasuke, Raikage side would of won right? After Sasuke summon Sasunno first full body version againts Raikage, he would of being pawn. Sasuke got this handdown.
Allan Hoshigaki
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the fight ended in a draw. actually that wasnt even a fight because everyone ganged up on sasuke. a fair fight would be hmmm danzo vs sasuke. the raikage vs sasuke didnt end so its a draw
Thats different Gaara's sand was acting on it's own you can't blame him if he doens't have anything to do with the sand shielding him, he doesn't have control of his sand at that time, now Chidori was able to pierced through the sand because Chidori is a piercing technique while A's is more of a destructive one, yeah Sasuke's Chidori got through the armor but it didn't pierced him it got a little wound thats all.
SasukeMangekyo
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Even though I like Sasuke's ninjutsu and techs... The Raikage is one of the kages for a reason... So I think it would be a close match but Sasuke would lose.
KyuubiYondaime
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I repeat for the 1000th time that A hasn't shown a counter to Sasuke's Enton/Susanoo combo besides punching threw it. He didn't know that it messes up the user. He knew what he had to do but he still had to do it, because he didnt have any choice. Is not like A went I'm gonna amputate my arm because I want to. He had to sacrifice limbs to hurt Sasuke in that mode, period. The manga mades this dam clear. I am talking of the mechanics of THIS specific fight anyway. Sasuke still had enough chakra to use Big Susanoo againts Gaara, Enton againts Gaara, Susanoo ribs againts Mei, Susanoo ribs againts Onoki, so how the hell could he not hold the ribs for a good amount of time? The guy held Susanoo for 10 minutes and summoned much bigger stages than the ribs throughout the whole Danzo fight while also spamming Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, of course he could have held the ribs long.
And yes he dodge Amaterasu, thanks to having knowledge to it which allowed him to use shushin. Otherwise, he would have being pwned right there, without even brusing Sasuke.
The leg drop is no different. Sasuke saw A was gonna do the same shit so he countered with the same shit, except this time with Enton, so Sasuke had as much defense or more than he had before, as Susanoo aura was also still up. Those sayin
Sasuke would die with 2 defenses like that if Gaara didn't intervene are just delusional. And he could have used the Big susanoo too.
And those saying Sasuke's Susanoo saved him from blah blah blah get it through your heads Susanoo is just a jutsu of Sasuke, just like Raiton shroud is a jutsu of A, and is what saved him from Chidori sword and chidori. Sasuke hide behind Susanoo, A hide in Raiton shroud.
And yes he dodge Amaterasu, thanks to having knowledge to it which allowed him to use shushin. Otherwise, he would have being pwned right there, without even brusing Sasuke.
The leg drop is no different. Sasuke saw A was gonna do the same shit so he countered with the same shit, except this time with Enton, so Sasuke had as much defense or more than he had before, as Susanoo aura was also still up. Those sayin
Sasuke would die with 2 defenses like that if Gaara didn't intervene are just delusional. And he could have used the Big susanoo too.
And those saying Sasuke's Susanoo saved him from blah blah blah get it through your heads Susanoo is just a jutsu of Sasuke, just like Raiton shroud is a jutsu of A, and is what saved him from Chidori sword and chidori. Sasuke hide behind Susanoo, A hide in Raiton shroud.
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Whiteknight
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No, you don't declare a winner and a loser until the fight is over. That fight was interrupted, it didn't finish. I think we can all look at where things were going before Gaara got involved and see that Sasuke would probably have won if the fight continued. At the very least, they would fight to a draw.
The Raikage was about to drop his entire body onto a spike of amaterasu. Even if he broke through Sasuke's defense and killed Sasuke with that last attack, the Raikage would still have been mortally wounded. How do you survive having inextinguishable flames consume your entire body?
The Raikage was not going to win the fight with his strategy. He was reckless and let his anger cloud his judgement. That said, it is possible that with a different strategy he could have won. The Raikage was too fast for Sasuke to hit with his ranged attacks, and Sasuke's chidori barely scratched the Raikage's chest.
The Raikage has "tailed beast levels" of chakra, enough speed to avoid amaterasu, the strength to break through Susanoo with one hand, and a powerful defense against Sasuke's Chidori. I don't know how he would have handled a powerful genjutsu, but Sasuke also isn't very good with genjutsu.
By the time the fight was interrupted, Sasuke was hurt and bleeding out of his left eye. He had already used a lot of chakra, and couldn't have had more than 50% in reserve. Later on, Sasuke gets knocked out pretty easily by the mizukage and the tuschikage, so he didn't have a lot of chakra left in reserve.
The way the battle was going: Sasuke wins.
If the Raikage could calm down and stop being an idiot: Raikage wins.
KyuubiYondaime
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Sasuke only wasted about half his chakra on A, the rest was on Gaara, Darui, Mizukage and Onoki. He used 4 MS againts A and 4 againts the others. With half of his chakra remaining, I'm sure it would have being enough to send A to the next dimension.
a thousand years of death
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thanks.
also i dont really agree with the one who dishes out the most damage wins. the one who is more aggressive wins and who hit the most and with the most destructive hits.
i think that is just used to determine the results of a draw.
i mean what if someone was really defensive all fight then delivered one knock out punch and took the enemy clean out?
i think the winner is determined by the one who achieved their goal as this isnt really boxing. and both didnt achieve what they set out to do.
sasuke wanted to power his way through the raikage and find danzo and raikage wanted to reduce sasuke into dust.
well sasuke couldnt find danzo and he couldnt power through the raikage. instead he got fought to a stand still and was forced to go on the defence.
raikage was about to deliver the "killing" blow before he was stopped. then sasuke used his susanoo to cave in the room so that he could run.
both lost so then the fight would go to the most damage wins. well sasuke managed to get one good hit on the raikage and that only just drew blood.
the raikage threw sasuke around like a rag doll
sasuke(what we saw after he ran away to face the other kage) was running on empty chakra reserves.
the raikage wasnt even phased.
therefore raikage wins.
also the killer bee fight, alothough many say sasuke won. he lost.
sasukes goal was to capture bee which he failed, bees was to get away which he did.
also it wasnt really sasuke vs bee it was taka vs bee.
the start of the fight was sasuke vs bee and sasuke got impaled so i would say bee won that.
i mean yeah sasuke got the last shot in but tbh we dont really know what state bee was in right after, fighting wise.
bee might have been able to fight on after his substitution but seeing as it didnt fit with his goal he decided not to.
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NarutoVsGoku
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all you guys need to read the earlier arguements agaisnt Sasuke..
specifically to whiteknight. Sasuke would have died by that leg drop. Raikage goes through the amaterasu spikes, goes through Sasuke's Sasuno like all his other attacks, goes through Sasuke's neck and the amaterasu that caught on Raikage's leg also catches on Sasukes skull. Raikage loses an arm and leg, Sasuke loses his life..
ok heres this. Raikage chose to hit Sasuke. Sasuke did not force that card on him. Raikage could have pulled back his punch. than what would Sasuke do to Raikage? would he use chidori? that failed.. would he use Amaterasu offensively? that also failed. Raikage could have simply chose to not hit him and not be as aggressive. he didnt have to chose another way to hit him. he could of just not hit him at all and that was what Sasuke wanted. Sasuke wanted Raikage to pull his punch. but had Raikage pulled his punch and not sacrifice his arm what could Sasuke have done? everything offensive Sasuke was doing was a fail!
and the leg drop would have killed Sasuke. Sasuke was more focused on his enton connecting than summoning a stronger Sasuno. and you know what? i'll argue that he couldnt even have level2 Sasuno at that exact moment. it activated when he chatted with Gaara. his MS techniquesactivates and become stronger through emotional experiences. he used Tsukiyomi on Bee cuz the fight had become stressful and Bee was giving Taka a hard time. he used Amaterasu the first time to help save his teammates Taka when Bee transformed. he activated Sasuno for the first time which saved him from Raiga Bomb. his level 2 activated after his talk with Gaara who tried to convince him to come to the light. level 3 Sasuno activated when fighting Danzo.
anyways point is Sasuke would have died...
you made a great point in the Sasuke vs Raikage fight..
the Sasuke vs Bee or Taka vs Bee, if you measure it by who completed objection than Taka lost but if you just measure by who in the end had the upper hand i would say Bee lost. Bee was forced to retreat and i see that as a lost if you think about it in who had the upper hand in the end.
and btw lol i was serious. science proves that sasuke fanboys and itachi fanboys united will create an apocalyspe haha
KyuubiYondaime
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You fail to provide proof that A has shown anything besides taijutsu to damage, and seems like a strict taijutsu fighter, so until A gets another fight we can't assume that. A is dumb, but not THAT dumb. If he had another choice that would have worked, he would have done it, even if it took a few more secs, and would have produced the same results.
Not be agresive, but how many times do I have to repeat that Sasuke used Susanoo stage 2 and 3 for 10 mins againts Danzou so how the hell was he not gonne be able to hold the ribs for a long time? :flaw:
And besides, A didn't even know Susanoo exhausting anyway.
And A dodging Amaterasu is thanks to an unfair advantage of knowing of it beforehand. He even knew about BOTH of Sasuke's affinities, his sharingan, he basically knew all of Sasuke's jutsus while Sasuke knew NONE of his.
Dude wtf is wrong with you?
How the hell can you say the leg drog would have killed Sasuke as it was a fact?
Sasuke was hurt by the Karate chop and now still had Susanoo aura + Enton, so I think he'd definetely be hurt, but to the point of being worst to the equivalent of losing a leg? Thats doubtful. The math doesn't add up.
Juugo stated that that was what Sasuke wanted to try out, which Sasuke himself stated hed use on Zetsu if he tried anything funny. It couldn't have being the ribs, since ribs don't hurt anybody, just think for a moment dawg :flaw:
Sasuke spoke of Susanoo as he already had it. And when he used Amaterasu the first time he shouted "Amaterasu" it wasn't something he awakened. He just didn't want to do it because he didn't want to kill Bee, as his mission was to capture him, and he didn't knew if he could shut off the flames, but when he saw his team he said **** it, they value more than the mission.
And he used Tsukuyomi againts that fodder cloud ninja dude, he knew what he had and used it willingly.
Dude your the only one wrong here, the Leg Drop could have kill Sasuke if you don't remeber the Raikage broke the Eight Tail's horn for god's sake and that was before he was even a Kage so why wouldn't a high up in the air, electrified Leg Drop won't kill Sasuke even with flames he already pass throught and a set of ribs very, very smaller than the Eight Tail's horn.
Another thing his leg will be of set on flames but tell me, if he had the courage to punch through the flames one time and have the guts to chop his own arm, does he have what it takes to deliver a Leg Drop to Sasuke?
Sasuke didn't stand all the attacks he receive from A while he recevied 2 attacks at point blank range, Jugo's Blast and Amaterasu.
Theres you facts now tell me I'm lying....
sharingan warrior
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rikage was wining till sasuke used susano after that u could tell that sasuke would have owned him
KyuubiYondaime
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Sasuke cut off Hachibi's tentacles with Chidori eisou and Amaterasu, whats your point?
You make it seem like A's kick is a bijuu canon or something when the hard truth many of you don't accept is it was easily tanked by a small portion of Gaara's sand (he can use much more sand), so if sand can block it, 2 MS jutsus can, those are your facts right there buddy.
Oh and I'm not saying Gaara's regular sand isn't strong, it is, but his Shikaku shield or other defenses are much stronger.