Professor Sarutobi
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anything above ribs yeah i doubt raikage could punch thru it. problem is can sasuke hit him while hes in his lightning armor, who'd run out first raikage and his "tailed beast level chakra" or sasuke?
How can people actually say Raikage beat Sasuke?
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Fact 1
A broke a giant horn with a chop, why are 6 ribs that maybe won't touched him be more harder than a giant horn?
Fact 2
A punch Sasuke through Amaterasu and Susano's aura.
If by being in the floor, your cells are burning your eyes hurt and your taking the possibility of being blind is winning then sure.
Yes I said Sasuke is stronger if the fight were fair, but it wasn't, Susano is very powerfull maybe even for a Bijuu, but like I said he was just beggining to use it and was on the floor and about to receive a kick.
Wow, just wow, you really are dumb, man I haven't seen anybody like you before. ''Fire is solid'' :rofl:
If your saying that we're wrong because we're telling you with facts that you are wrong, then I prefer a retard than you.
If I didn't like ths forum I swear I'll be flaming you all day, but I do so I'm resisting the temptation. And I'm going to keep posting here to at least get a good laugh out of you.
NarutoVsGoku
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my thoughts exactly!!! lol
lmfaooooo those pics were perfect Prof S lmaoooo
KyuubiYondaime
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Sasuke would just grab A with Susano's hand like he did to Danzo and squash him if he wanted too. Sasuke hold Susanoo for 10 mins, A isn't outrunning it that long.
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NarutoVsGoku
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also i just wanted to repeat:
Fire is neither solid, liquid or a gas.. Fire is a reaction. a process. not a physical object.
When you burn wood, the reaction is actually happening between the wood and oxygen in the air to form carbon dioxide and water vapor. Wood is a solid, but oxygen, carbon dioxide and water vapor are all gases.
If you have a gas powered stove, you are burning a gas called methane (or maybe propane). There everything is a gas.
So fire is not a solid or a gas, but it is the name for a type of reaction that can involve both solids and gases (and liquids too in fact).
If you mean the flame that you see as being fire you would be wrong. Flame is the result of fire.Fire is the combination of heat and a combustible material. A good example of this is the burning cigarette.
btw this is not even my word for word answer.. i just googled it.. there KyuubiYondaime you learned something new.. congrats..
btw the amaterasu was in the shape of spikes but they were still flames, not a solid physical spikes. Sasunoo wasnt at that stage fighting Raikage. stop bringing up the Danzo fight it is irrelevant.. and do you not understand that Raikage had tailed beast level chakra.. he has way more stamina than Sasuke, and would have outlasted way longer than what Sasuke had.
and i am not a "*****". stop resorting to flamming.. it makes you look immature and ignorant sir.
Fire is neither solid, liquid or a gas.. Fire is a reaction. a process. not a physical object.
When you burn wood, the reaction is actually happening between the wood and oxygen in the air to form carbon dioxide and water vapor. Wood is a solid, but oxygen, carbon dioxide and water vapor are all gases.
If you have a gas powered stove, you are burning a gas called methane (or maybe propane). There everything is a gas.
So fire is not a solid or a gas, but it is the name for a type of reaction that can involve both solids and gases (and liquids too in fact).
If you mean the flame that you see as being fire you would be wrong. Flame is the result of fire.Fire is the combination of heat and a combustible material. A good example of this is the burning cigarette.
btw this is not even my word for word answer.. i just googled it.. there KyuubiYondaime you learned something new.. congrats..
btw the amaterasu was in the shape of spikes but they were still flames, not a solid physical spikes. Sasunoo wasnt at that stage fighting Raikage. stop bringing up the Danzo fight it is irrelevant.. and do you not understand that Raikage had tailed beast level chakra.. he has way more stamina than Sasuke, and would have outlasted way longer than what Sasuke had.
and i am not a "*****". stop resorting to flamming.. it makes you look immature and ignorant sir.
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KyuubiYondaime
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Exacly. You proved my point. We already saw the scenario of A punching Sasuke through defense and it caused Sasuke to be hurt, but no where near death, so how the hell is a second attack suddenly gonna KILL him?
I never said Sasuke wouldn't be hurt after the attack, I just don't think either of them would have died so early in the fight, they are both Kage level guys.
And I also don't think he would be more hurt than the equivalent of A losing a leg. They'd both be very hurt, but A would die of bloodloss if he wasn't healed, and with just 1 leg would be unable to proceed fighting.
Uchihas fight using MS. MS has its side effects, sure, but thats how Uchihas fight. Itachi used MS againts Sasuke, Madara probably used againts Shodai, many jutsus cause self damage like Naruto's FRS which ****ed up his arm and Tsunade said if he kept using it he'd lose his arm and might never be a ninja again, but thats just their fighting style.
We can't really gauge it like that. It took Bee, Raikage, Danzou, Gaara and Kakashi for Sasuke's light to be shed off, not just A.
Like I said he used MS very little againts A compared to the amount of time he used it againts Danzo. Infact, he only used half his chakra againts A and the other half againts Gaara, Mei and Onoki.
He used Susanoo ribs, Amaterasu twice and Enton and againts A, thats 4 MS jutsus. Then he used Enton on Gaara, Big Susanoo on Gaara, Susanoo ribs on Mei, and Susanoo ribs on Onoki. Which means Sasuke still had alot more fight left in him, despite you saying he was in pain or whatever.
It wasn't until much later that the pain was too much for it to be stopped. So yes, he was hurt, but far from giving up.
Susanoo is activated instantly. If Sasuke thought I'd be necesary he could have used it. He didn't.
NarutoVsGoku
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all of Raikages attacks were leathal attacks.. with his attacks Sasuke's defenses were wearing down. the Guillontine Drop would have done what its name implies. "Guillontine".. severe his head..
doesnt it occur to you that even if Raikage didnt take out Sasuke's head, that if Raikage's leg would have caught fire, wouldnt Sasuke's skull catch fire too? a arm and leg loss is tragic but Sasuke risks losing his head.
only Uchihas that have obtained MS are Madara, Izuna, Itachi and Sasuke. Kakashi too but hes not Uchiha..
the MS causes blindness. you can tell Itachi rarely even used MS because it took his eyesight to be about the same as Sasuke after Sasuke spammed his MS after 3 fights...
Sasuke spammed it for a short period of time.. it has been said many times in the manga that overuse of MS causes blindness and damages ones health..
stop comparing the 2 fights.. they are 2 different fights. practically 2 different Sasukes. Sasuke was much stronger in his fight with Danzo, and more influenced to kill because of his emotions, he was much colder and more "evil". to compare the Sasuke vs Raikage and Sasuke vs Danzo is like comparing Naruto fighting Kakuzu and Naruto fighting Pain...
whatever amount of fight you think Sasuke had in him, Raikage had alot more. Raikages chakra is tailed beasts levels. means his stamina is great and the amount of time he can fight for is great.
fact is Sasuke was gased shortly fighting Gaara, Mei and Onoiki. he was only able to withstand 1 attack from each of them until Madara had to save him.. fact
much later if you mean 5 mintues later.. ok.. no. Sasunoo wasnt activated until after he spoke to Gaara and spoke about staying in the darkness rather coming to light.. also Sasuke was focused on his enton instead of preparing for Sasunoo..
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blackbird31468
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i don't think sasuke beat raikage nor do i believe that raikage beat sasuke i think that if they kept fighting they would have killed each other because raikages' attack probably could have killed sasuke considering that he was low on chakra and he didn't have a complete susano'o but the amaturasu would have also completly inflamed raikage and he would have burned to death.
KyuubiYondaime
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Don't think so little. He had only made 1 freaking attack before that leg drop, and Sasuke compensated by making an Enton. Sure, Guillotines are supposed to kill, if the other guy doesn't have two freaking defenses.
And it wasn't aimed at his head but his chest, just look at the picture before spouting nonsense.
It was aimed at his chest, and I'm pretty sure Enton and Susanoo aura would have stopped the attack.
In the worst case scenario, Sasuke knows how to turn Amaterasu off so no biggie. Amaterasu, while lethal since it can't be turned off if you arent the MS user, takes a while to burn.
Like I said it seems Tobi implied "You used SUSANOO too much". He didn't say his MS, he specifically said Susanoo, which in that case appears to be that the Danzou fight affected him much more in his blindness than his other fights. I'm guessin each stage of Susanoo drains the light out of someone much more than the other, but regardless Sasuke only used Stage 2 Susanoo againts Gaara and then spammed Stage 3 for like 10 minutes TWICE againts Danzou and then stage 4 againts Kakashi, but againts A he only used the ribs. Out of like 15 times he used MS only 4 where on A anyway so its a small amount of injuries in the long run that A caused him.
I am not denying in anyway that Sasuke spammed the MS, although many times were justified, many weren't, especially againts Danzo. I didn't see the point of keeping Susanoo activated for 10 minutes, or even Amaterasu, grand fireball would have worked on Danzo. I can understand Sasuke however, Danzou is one of the guys most responsible for his brother and parents and family and clan's death it's his life motive and he'd care nothing more in the world than finishing off Danzo, and to show him his ultimate power, Susanoo, and that he had no way of winning. Regardless, I think it was also PNJ to accelerate Sasuke's taking Itachi's eyes and getting even stronger, while at the same time, showing off Sasuke's insanity level had risen. And also Kishi pushed him to hard fights like Bee & A so he'd have to use MS alot and not have time to rest your eyes, because I am of the idea if you let them rest they'd get better over time if you didn't use them for a while.
But in the end those 4 MS A forced Sasuke to use that caused a small percentage of his blindness, really doesn't matter shit as Sasuke deep down knew he'd be taking Itachi's eyes someday.
Are you freaking serious? Naruto againts Pain gained Sage mode, which according to Shikaku puts him in another level completely. Physically, his strength according to Fukasaku increased 200x, his speed had a big boost, his chakra became basically limitless as it became one with natura, now he can sense things, have improved Taijutsu by alot with Frog katas, in which he didn't directly even have to hit things to kill em, gained two great sage toads who compliment Naruto with the Ultimate Genjutsu of the manga where he had none before, and can even dispel genjutsu for him, or sage mode might even make him inmune. Infact, even Naruto's ninjutsu receives a big boost in Sage mode. All of his stats increase alot in Sage mode. And he even completed FRS and could throw it now, to Sasuke who gained what exacly?
Sasuke upgrade Susano to Stage 3 BY HIMSELF, he didn't gain a powerup mid fight as you suggested. He could have likely done the same againts A, if A pushed him to a corner.
Before you say he'd only do this againts Danzo because Danzo was the reason for his revenge, he upgrade Susanoo to his last form againts Kakashi, and he was more pissed at A than Kakashi.
Regardless I dont think the boost one gains from upgrading 1 stage of Susanoo equals all Naruto gained with Sage mode, as Sasuke still had the other MS jutsus like Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu and Susanoo anyway.
I never said his chakra would force him to lose, losing limbs would. He could at best sacrifice limbs for cheapshots.
Yeah because they cheap shotted him. Mei admitted he was in no shape to fight, and I agree with you, but it wasn't after fighting just A as you suggest. He had to use the Big Susanoo againts Gaara which IMO is what ****ed him up the most because he seemed fine before it, and an Enton on Gaara.
The Mei attacks him out of nowhere, he didn't even speak it. He told her not to interfere, that he was going after Danzo, and she attacked and he had no chance to do anything but Susanoo ribs, which drained him even more, and then Onoki takes another cheap shot when he is almost passed out.
If you gather those 4 MS jutsus he used they would have VERY likely finished A off, especially if he had lost a leg already.
Susanoo is activated instantly if Itachi could activate it before lightning speed which is 186,000 miles per second, thats alot isnt it? Doesnt get any faster than that.
Look at Kakashi. How fast was the arrow Sasuke fired at him yet he was able to send it away in the blink of an eye. MS activates instantly.
I propose this. Since we have no actual proofof what would have happened in the clash, no matter how much we speculate why dont we forget the clash and assume they would have kept fighting without the clash?
Sasuke would have used Big Susanoo and A would have being ****ed. Sasuke would still have 5 more MS uses which instead of using he could have used that chakra to mantain Susanoo into killing A.
NarutoVsGoku
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aimed right above his neck. one attack? he bodied him and he smacked him up.. 2 defenses that werent doing much to stop Raikage..
aimed at his neck and head. it takes awhile and alot of effory to turn off amaterasu. look at Bee fight. he would had his head burned as well..
if you want to talk about Danzo vs Sasuke than make a thread about Danzo vs Sasuke
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well that was my point using Naruto as an example..
yes Sasuke did gain Sasunoo through emotional responses... no he was more pissed at Kakashi. he was alot more evil facing Kakashi than A. Karin noted he became very cold once after he told Gaara he stayed in the darkness...
A would lose his leg. Sasuke would lose his head.
cheap shotted..? omg how many loads of Sasuke milk do you swallow a day man...? Sasuke was beaten up by Raikage. eye bleeding, ribs broken. he was at his limits and proof is that 3 attacks later he had to be saved by Madara. admit it..
!??! listen.. after fighting A what jutsu did Sasuke use to fend off Gaara, Mei and Onoiki??? he had nothing left!
no.... Sasuke would have died under that leg.. accept it or accept it..
you have no proof of that. Sasuke was able to activate the 2nd version after speaking about staying in the dark.. and during A's leg drop he was focused on his enton.. not activating a bigger Sasunoo.. fact..
make a poll
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Professor Sarutobi
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just wanted to point out that he couldn't use susanoo past ribs stage again after getting blasted thru the wall by vs mei/chojuro, he only got out of the room full of mei's acid mist because zetsu gave him chakra from everyone else (the kages and the bodyguards/samurai) so he was done after that use of 2nd lvl susanoo to escape gaara and A, he couldn't use big susanoo again untill he got chakra from zetsu or healed by karin.
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shisuimirage42
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so people are saying that sasuke's Amaterasu with susano'o would've lost against raikage one leg? C'mon son lol
#notsureifserious lol
on a serious note i think the same result wouldve happened when the raikage sacrificed his arm. if he went through with the leg move sasuke might've died but thats assuming his susano'o didnt activate further cuz it did after darui,gaara,kankuro and temari attacked wuts to stop it from activating sooner. knowing kishi sasuke would've had some kind of flash back and his susano'o would've saved him lol
now assuming susano'o stayed the same sasuke mightve died but after the raikage loses his leg he probably wouldve ended up dying as well or really handicapped lol
#notsureifserious lol
on a serious note i think the same result wouldve happened when the raikage sacrificed his arm. if he went through with the leg move sasuke might've died but thats assuming his susano'o didnt activate further cuz it did after darui,gaara,kankuro and temari attacked wuts to stop it from activating sooner. knowing kishi sasuke would've had some kind of flash back and his susano'o would've saved him lol
now assuming susano'o stayed the same sasuke mightve died but after the raikage loses his leg he probably wouldve ended up dying as well or really handicapped lol
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