How can people actually say Raikage beat Sasuke?
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SasukeXUchiha
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That pic was viewed from a front angle hardly solid proof that A's entire lower half would burn not even Prof Sarutobi's picture was conclusive as the angle preety much was still a somewhat front view of A's leg.
i agree with you 100% about what you said, the only thing that wasnt necessary was the the first sentence... not trying to cause problems, but stateing
it does seem like you meant it towards everyone considering that there is 35 pages of everyone debating who won and who lost. i personally agree that neither won due to the interuption, but if it were to continue id say that sasuke would win fro many reasons... its all just fun and games, we debate to find flaws or possibilities in each of our predictions. we have no say if sasuke wins or lost, its just a friendly debate.
i definetly agree with you here, doesnt matter how many people vote, it doesnt change a single thing.
can we please just end this topic!
oh by the way, great signature lol
Animeisalive
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yea.... >.> even after the clash...Gaara did say he stopped A's attack for his sake, he wouldve lost a leg...im pretty sure thats Kishimoto telling us who wouldve won that clash..no 1 said anything about sasuke almost about to die from that attack...and there was alot of talkers in that room lol
Last Arcanum
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This is the umpteenth time I've seen Kagutsuchi downplayed to the extent where they've regarded it as simple regular flames. The technique was obviously intended to pierce Raikage's lower body so what makes you think something that has the piercing effect has no chance whatsoever of actually being solid? Sasuke has further modified Enton to essentially create an 'attacking shield'.
Sasuke or more correctly Kishimoto has basically implied that Kagutsuchi can penetrate a human body, and noting it's appearing and shape should mean it has the qualities of an actual blade / spikes, etc.
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Danzou's blade consisting of 'wind' was able to pierce Sasuke. Wind isn't normally solid but was modified by Danzou to become sword.
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KyuubiYondaime
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Thank you. Asuma also made wind solid. And yeah, people think a different MS jutsu with a different name, comes from another eye is the same. Thats what it comes down to, when it clearly wasn't. If it was just to hit A faster, that wouldnt have mattered, regular Amaterasu would have engulfed him anyway, like the first time. Enton was obviously supposed to provide some kind of defense and to do that, it had to be solid. It definetely looked solid, and logic tells us for Sasuke to believe I'd do something I'd be solid. This is a manga its what people don't get. And Kakashi explained all about the elements along time ago and this can definetely be done, especially by someone with more skilled in this department than Itachi and who mastered his lightning techniques and katon to a full extent.
I repeat, if A's kick can be stopped by Gaara's sand, it can be stopped by 2 MS techs.
And Sasuke was drained after using Big Susanoo which wasn't againts A, Amaterasu on Gaara, Susano ribs on Mei, which any of those would have finished A once he had lost his leg, so Sasuke being drained doesn't mean anything, the fight wasn't gonna go much longer anyway you put it.
I repeat, if A's kick can be stopped by Gaara's sand, it can be stopped by 2 MS techs.
And Sasuke was drained after using Big Susanoo which wasn't againts A, Amaterasu on Gaara, Susano ribs on Mei, which any of those would have finished A once he had lost his leg, so Sasuke being drained doesn't mean anything, the fight wasn't gonna go much longer anyway you put it.
NarutoVsGoku
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dude theres ninjas that can make hand signs with one hand. its not impossible for Raikage to dodge with one leg especially with Lightning ArmorHow he can he avoid it with 1 leg?
Sasuke obviously had more chakra than a sick/dying Itachi, what kind of logic is that??
Itachi died after using MS 4 times, Sasuke used it 8 times. Simple math. Divide 100% in 8 and you get each MS use is 12.5% for Sasuke, but even less since he used a few other jutsus like 2 Chidori swords (againts Mifune too), Chidori, Genjutsu on C, etc.
This is the part where you insult me even though I'm just using what the manga gave us for Sasuke, whereas you mention Itachi, which is completely irrelevant to the topic.
Then againts Danzo he used MS 5 times which is you divide 100 by 5 you get 20% but even less considering he summoned a hawk, used a grand fireball, chidori eisou, and later quickly used Susanoo on Kakashi, even if he was rehealed at this point. Itachi not being able to use MS at 30% has no baring on Sasuke's chakra levels.
A would not have run out of chakra ever in that fight, but he would have died.
Sasuke had twice more than Itachi? are you serious? Itachi used a full Sasuno and Sasuke used 1/3 than 2/3 for a minute and was gased. Karin and Mei both noticed that he was worned out and out of chakra.. i repeat WORN OUT AND OUT OF CHAKRA. thats what the manga says so anything you say about Sasuke using half of his chakra agaisnt Raikage and having twice as much as Itachi is bullshit.
im comparing Itachi to Sasuke because they both have used MS. you disregarding that fact just shows how stubborn you are to admit you are wrong.
and Danzo is irrelevant. completely irrevelant. Sasuke was healed before fighting him and alotmore stronger than fighting A. due to his emotions he unlocked more of his powers and fought more aggressive instead of defensively agaisnt A. so Danzo is irrelevant for the millionth time.
im glad you agree that A wouldnt have ran out of chakra in that fact and i cant disagree that he wouldnt have died. for certain A would have been seriously injuried but so would Sasuke. and Sasuke had more of a chance later on dying than A just because of the way both of them were fighting.
dude you quote a whole bunch of what i said just to call me "bipolar" and roll ya eyes? i got 2 pics for you:Mr. Bipolar your still going???
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yo dat was hard
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dude the poll says alot more people vote A than Sasuke and i mentioned you and Excite because you 2 are the ones who have went hard throughout the whole thread. and i mean whole. well excite just entered in the middle of it not even reading anything before hand but he didnt stop like most of those who voted Sasuke and were proven wrong.
i told you to add a poll about 20 pages ago.
damn right you should have had it from the beginning but i think you didnt and hesitated cuz you knew you were wrong and most would vote A.
is this a smarter way of saying "fire is solid"??
Asuma did not make "wind solid". he focused the wind chakra, split it in 2, rubbed them agasint each other and thinned it out to create a sharp piercing blade.
it has constantly been explained why and how Gaara stopped A but you disgarded all those facts as well. the only MS technique that was Sasuke's defense was Sasunoo, Raikage would have bypassed Amaterasu like he did punching Sasuke, and Raikage would have still went through Sasunoo, like he did when he punched Sasuke.
Sasuke was drained from fighting A. the fight would have lasted as long as Sasuke lasted fighting the other Kages. which wasnt that long at all. how do you honestly expect Sasuke to be able to fight A and have enough chakra when after Sasuke escaped he had no chakra left? come on man you are wrong no matter how you slice it.
just admit it.
KyuubiYondaime
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The poll doesn't mean jack shit.
He was drained far more than just fighting Raikage.
Summoning Big Susanoo takes alot of chakra as well as life force, Amaterasu againts Gaara, susanoo ribs againts Mei were all jutsus he used AFTER A.
Sasuke isn't Naruto so don't expect him to beat a powerful opponent after battling another, his chakra is big, but not huge, that doesn't mean it wouldn't have sufficed to deal with a guy who at best would have lost minimum a leg.
He used Susanoo stage 3 againts Danzo for around 10 minutes and Susanoo stage 2 for a while too, that seems alot better to me than Itachi using Susanoo stage 2 for about 2 minutes and ****ing DYING.
Before that Itachi had used MS 3 times, Sasuke used it 5-6 times.
Sasuke's stamina is far above Itachi's.
He was drained far more than just fighting Raikage.
Summoning Big Susanoo takes alot of chakra as well as life force, Amaterasu againts Gaara, susanoo ribs againts Mei were all jutsus he used AFTER A.
Sasuke isn't Naruto so don't expect him to beat a powerful opponent after battling another, his chakra is big, but not huge, that doesn't mean it wouldn't have sufficed to deal with a guy who at best would have lost minimum a leg.
He used Susanoo stage 3 againts Danzo for around 10 minutes and Susanoo stage 2 for a while too, that seems alot better to me than Itachi using Susanoo stage 2 for about 2 minutes and ****ing DYING.
Before that Itachi had used MS 3 times, Sasuke used it 5-6 times.
Sasuke's stamina is far above Itachi's.
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NarutoVsGoku
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its the representation of the public's opinion. and numbers dont lie my friend.
stop disregarding everything that proves you wrong. you can deny manga pics, links, panels, quotes, facts, logic, science, but you cannot deny numbers.
the majority believes you are wrong.
but that is ok. one question to you. i already know the answer but, did you make this thread to really understand why people believe Raikage beat Sasuke or were you angry with argueing with someone else in another thread and made this thread to bash on A?
KyuubiYondaime
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You were the one who denied the pic posted of A's whole lower portion being incinerated.
I am just saying that there are many Sasuke haters out there, and including people who have multiple accounts here which was brought to my attention anyway.
I am just saying that there are many Sasuke haters out there, and including people who have multiple accounts here which was brought to my attention anyway.
NarutoVsGoku
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prove it
thats not alot compared to fighting Raikage. he used alot more jutsus, took alot more damage, fought alot longer with A than Gaara and Mei. when Mei saw hm she said "Raikage sure worn you out"..
yes he is not Naruto (stating the obvious) and no i dont expect him at all to have a large chakra like Naruto or Raikage for that matter, no i dont expect him to have the stamina of Naruto or Raikage also. Sasuke would minimum lost a neck.
why do you even bother comparing Sasuke fighting Danzo to Sasuke fighting Raikage? wasnt Sasuke alot stronger fighting Danzo than fighting Raikage? doesnt that mean that everything Sasuke did AFTER fighting at the summit is irrelevant?
lemme explain. its like me talking about Naruto fight with Kakuzu and comparing it with Naruto fighting Pain. when Naruto fought Kakuzu he was much weaker: he did not have Sage Mode, and didnt yet perfect Rasenshuriken like when he fought Pain.
same thing with Sasuke. Sasuke had 2nd level Sasunoo agaisnt Danzo, his Sasunoo had a crossbow, Sasuke was also much stronger through his emotions that were fueling his strength and rage. he was much different than he was fighting Raikage. SOO ONCE AGAIN FOR THE MILLIONTH AND ONE TIME STOP BRINGING UP SASUKE VS DANZO!!!!
you do understand that Itachi was nearly dying, and used a Full Sasunoo, was able to withstand the strain of using Tsukiyomi, AmaterasuS and a Full Sasunoo where as Sasuke only used Amaterasus and barely a complete Sasunoo and was drained and in incredible pain! he even said so himself "every cell in my body is in pain. i didnt even complete Sasunoo. what did Itachi have to go through?"
again in everything you say you are wrong! dude stop embarrassing yourself.
NarutoVsGoku
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sigh *facepalm..
so the person that told you someone has multiple accounts (Excite) he must be a moderator right? cuz oly a mod would have the ability of even finding that out since they run the site.
and who the hell are you or Excite or anyone else to accuse someone of having multiple accounts just to post comments on this page? are you serious?
anyways i did not deny the pic. i anlyzed it and disproved it. i wasnt the only one either. the angle of the pic does not fully prove that his whole lowerhalf would have been caught. thats not denying its disproving. big difference.
you are the one who has denied every fact (not opinion) fact! given to you.
how old are you man? are you evn past 15? cuz no offense but you've shown little maturity throughout this whole thread. or maybe you jus hate to be wrong. i wish you would have answered Rinyu's (sorry if i spelled wrong) thread of the 10 possible reasons why you are still voting for Sasuke if after 30 something pages you have constantly repeated arguements and continue this poor attempt to defend Sasuke.
also i am not a Sasuke hater. just because ppl have voted agaisnt Sasuke does not make them a hater. you have shown to be a Raikage hater though. but i dont even care honestly.
Rockavelli
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and here lies the bias voice
you're real life experience does not apply.
Perhaps people may cheer because
A) they just don't like someone like him or
B) they just don't like Sasuke as much as you
wow! you jumped way ahead here
but some just don't like what you obiasously love
Fact is you are mixing your opinion by discounting facts and then stating your opinion as if it were facts.
Fact: Raikage USED the time wisely to remove his wrist and then by having Shi heal him WHILE EXPRESSING HIS EAGERNESS TO GET BACK TO KICKING SAUSKE'S ASS. Kinda like when Sasuke was fighting anyone else and was save/healed by Karin or Zetsu, and continued to get the **** out of dodge, you choose
You don't see Sasuke dying because Sasuke IS PROTECT BY THE PLOT AS RAIKAGE. You are hiding behind this concept to draw your bias voice.
Here is your voice "WTF, Sasuke is the main ****ing character, people should jack off of him as I do hourly, and then they should shit all over some fodder shit because this IS SASUKE and we should all worship him"
Do you see why that doesn't work?
wow talking about jumping way f--kingahead
you are skipping a lot here. The topic was How can anyone say that Raikage beat Sauce. Not how Sasuke survived the kages. Which is itself was because Sasuke had some ****ing help Enton is the shape-shifting or manipulation of Amaterasu. In other words, if Sasuke wanted a square then there would be a squard in the form of Amaterasu
Raikage looked like he would have succeeded which is why the fight GOT INTERRUPTED
Sasuke would have not lived to form "big Susano-o", which is why the fight got interrupted. Yes Gaara told Raikage that Amaterasu would have continued to harm not kill but harm him while saying that he wanted to talk to Sasuke--to give Sasuke a LAST CHANCE before Gaara opened up a can of whoop-ass on the Sauce. Did this fact escape your attention?
TBH I don't know why you don't understand and overlook how Saucy was on the defense all the ****ing time. Everything that he tried failed. Everything that Raikage tried was successful enough that he was beating the hell out of Saucy.
Sasuke did not take Raikage's arm. This fact seems to really bother you
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Typhon
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You can't just look at the end results and declare a winner. You need to examine the fight. The simple fact is that Raikage was in control throughout the fight. He was the one making moves and forcing Sasuke to react. Sasuke couldn't match Raikage's speed. He had no answer for it. The best he could do was turtle inside of Susanoo. Raikage CHOSE to sacrifice his arm. He didn't consider this as great of an injury as you do. Just because a loss of your arm would be severe to you, doesn't mean its severe to Raikage. Sasuke didn't choose to get hit, he didn't choose to get powerbombed, and he didn't choose to get leg dropped (before it was interrupted). Raikage controlled the tempo of that fight, landed more hits, and did more damage. Thats why he was the winner of the fight.
Anything that happened, or might have happened after the fight is inconsequential to who won this battle.
Anything that happened, or might have happened after the fight is inconsequential to who won this battle.
ok!... the way i see it, it is utterly retared to say sasuke won [when in life when you dont do anything in a fight, you cant beclared the winner when you did nothing and the opponent hurt them self on purpose]. but i agree raikage didnt win but he was raping the hell out of sasuke (the fight was one sided) but we will never know what would of happen (but raikage was playing with him the whole fight and we've yet to see to full raikage)... the only winner is Kishi, why(?), because he had to make both ninjas seem strong with out killing either off. good job kishi! xd
The fight was one sided, I agree.
But Sasuke always had full susano'o in his arsenal and didn't use it because he was stubborn. We know that for a fact (he used it 10-20 seconds after the fight with raikage and he only used some ribs vs Raikage).
But to say that Raikage raped sasuke that is too much. If a person is dumb enough to keep punching a wall until his hand breaks, that doesn't mean he beat the wall, it just means that the person is stupid. And someone that stupid doesn't deserve to be called a winner. Think of it this way : Raikage decided to try and use his arm to defeat one of the strongest ninjutsu in the naruto universe (amaterasu) and a defense that survived his first attack (don't recall the name).
NarutoVsGoku
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and here lies the bias voice
you're real life experience does not apply.
Perhaps people may cheer because
A) they just don't like someone like him or
B) they just don't like Sasuke as much as you
wow! you jumped way ahead here
but some just don't like what you obiasously love
Fact is you are mixing your opinion by discounting facts and then stating your opinion as if it were facts.
Fact: Raikage USED the time wisely to remove his wrist and then by having Shi heal him WHILE EXPRESSING HIS EAGERNESS TO GET BACK TO KICKING SAUSKE'S ASS. Kinda like when Sasuke was fighting anyone else and was save/healed by Karin or Zetsu, and continued to get the **** out of dodge, you choose
You don't see Sasuke dying because Sasuke IS PROTECT BY THE PLOT AS RAIKAGE. You are hiding behind this concept to draw your bias voice.
Here is your voice "WTF, Sasuke is the main ****ing character, people should jack off of him as I do hourly, and then they should shit all over some fodder shit because this IS SASUKE and we should all worship him"
Do you see why that doesn't work?
wow talking about jumping way f--kingahead
Enton is the shape-shifting or manipulation of Amaterasu. In other words, if Sasuke wanted a square then there would be a squard in the form of Amaterasu
Raikage looked like he would have succeeded which is why the fight GOT INTERRUPTED
Sasuke would have not lived to form "big Susano-o", which is why the fight got interrupted. Yes Gaara told Raikage that Amaterasu would have continued to harm not kill but harm him while saying that he wanted to talk to Sasuke--to give Sasuke a LAST CHANCE before Gaara opened up a can of whoop-ass on the Sauce. Did this fact escape your attention?
TBH I don't know why you don't understand and overlook how Saucy was on the defense all the ****ing time. Everything that he tried failed. Everything that Raikage tried was successful enough that he was beating the hell out of Saucy.
Sasuke did not take Raikage's arm. This fact seems to really bother you
awesome posts guys and well said!!
Rockavelli nice job especially and welcome to the site man!! great 1st post newbie