How can people actually justify Indra?!

[lImmortal Regis]

Hogaromo is full of himself

he brought peace and order and there was destruction for thousands of years lololotrorolol

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Bruh, really?! :lol

If you look into it. Haven’t you seen brother nations fight because of a belief?

 

[JStar King]

If you look into it. Haven’t you seen brother nations fight because of a belief?

True. And Hagoromo did create Nishuu, which is basically a religion within itself.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

True. And Hagoromo did create Nishuu, which is basically a religion within itself.

Conflicting religions starting war between brother nations. Interesting.
It’s an interesting theory

 

[SenseiSama]

I barely see people around justifying Indra's actions. Hagoromo was a bad father nevertheless and even more so a really bad written character.

How was he a bad father ? BZ was the one that brainwashed Indra unknowingly, the same happened to Madara and Sasuke you saw them intitially good and end up giving into the curse of hatred.


The emotions a Sharingan user experiences are directly tied to their chakra because chakra is made of physical and mental energy, the stronger their chakra is the more stubborn they become but also the more prone to instability their mind is (it's like how chakra users that use too much physical energy are prone to damaging their body health)


This is one of the reasons Ashura descendants had the edge over Indra's, they had to 'understand the value of power before unlocking their powerful chakra whereas dojutsu users are so used to being on top that they develop a fragile ego and that fragile ego allowed BZ to enhance their resentment.


Kaguya herself gave in to hatred which suggests the curse of hatred comes from the Shinju and not just from BZ, you can't expect Indra, a human, to be able to suddenly cure himself from a symptom of divine chakra.


Hagoromo had no knowledge of Mangekyo until Indra and since Kaguya was sealed there was no one to uncover the meaning of wielding dojutsu that came from RinneSharingan. Hagoromo was never a bad father and Indra was a victim of inheriting too much power.

 

[lImmortal Regis]

How was he a bad father ? BZ was the one that brainwashed Indra unknowingly, the same happened to Madara and Sasuke you saw them intitially good and end up giving into the curse of hatred.

Because Hagoromo saw something was wrong with Indra but never question that and just tossed it aside like nothing.

He even knew about Sharingan and still did nothing but just sat back and watching how will things work out while Indra was falling into darkness little by little.

 

[SenseiSama]

Because Hagoromo saw something was wrong with Indra but never question that and just tossed it aside like nothing.

He even knew about Sharingan and still did nothing but just sat back and watching how will things work out while Indra was falling into darkness little by little.

Because ninshuu was capable of curing everyone from mental instability, Hagoromo believed that Ashura would have found a way to make peace with Indra, and in the end of the day he did right because Naruto ended the curse of hatred that plagued Uchiha as well as Kaguya. Ninshuu was the reason Sasuke admitted "he lost"


You also have to realize that Indra and Ashura were part of a prophecy, their hatred for each other was fate beyond the Sage's control and ultimately Hagoromo's actions led to Indra and Ashura finally coming to peace in the later era.

 

[Sagebee]

Well some people like to sulk and hate till death. Indra could continue beyond death so it got worse. Why look far? People have made a habit of hating on some manga character and even after 3 years of manga ending continuing their hate mongering on next generation too. Some keep returning it with new lives aka alts to continue their missions day after day since 2011-12 for the same old bashing. So of course some can feel a connection with Indra too.

You want bigger real life examples? Take a look at Middle East.

I found this immensely hilarious how you connected endless fandom hate to uchiha cycle of hate

I would be like Naruto and pick the peace route if hating wasn't fun

 

[Brady]

According to Hagoromo, Indra lead a solitary life, and Hagoromo also stated that he didn't pay any attention to Indra. Combine Indra's preference to work alone with Hagoromo's unintentional neglect and you get a kid who starts despising his dad and brother. Also, due to Asura's lack of skill, Asura became the child Hagoromo paid attention to and bonded with, combine that with the fact that everyone came to love and choose Asura, Indra probably felt alienated.

Then, Hagoromo is near death and not only gives Asura what Indra was more than likely waiting on as recompense for the lack of attention and investment he was getting from his father, but he also gives Asura his power's and expects Indra to cooperate as if this was some team effort the whole time.

I'm not justifying Indra's extreme actions, but I'm not convinced that a mere Sharingan would make him want to kill two people he was close with. He was more than likely unfamiliar with his brother and father, and the following circumstances just made it easier to hate them.

Oddly enough, his talent and Kekkei Genkai caused him to be overlooked unlike his future descendants who would greatly benefit from being Indra's descendants.

 

[NextGenNinja]

It was everybody's fault, but BZ is the one who added fuel to the fire and made everything much worse.

 

[Styles]

According to Hagoromo, Indra lead a solitary life, and Hagoromo also stated that he didn't pay any attention to Indra. Combine Indra's preference to work alone with Hagoromo's unintentional neglect and you get a kid who starts despising his dad and brother. Also, due to Asura's lack of skill, Asura became the child Hagoromo paid attention to and bonded with, combine that with the fact that everyone came to love and choose Asura, Indra probably felt alienated.

Then, Hagoromo is near death and not only gives Asura what Indra was more than likely waiting on as recompense for the lack of attention and investment he was getting from his father, but he also gives Asura his power's and expects Indra to cooperate as if this was some team effort the whole time.

I'm not justifying Indra's extreme actions, but I'm not convinced that a mere Sharingan would make him want to kill two people he was close with. He was more than likely unfamiliar with his brother and father, and the following circumstances just made it easier to hate them.

Oddly enough, his talent and Kekkei Genkai caused him to be overlooked unlike his future descendants who would greatly benefit from being Indra's descendants.

Agreed. And once Indra lost the title of successor to Ashura that was when BZ manipulated Indra to go bad and caused Indra vs Ashura. Hagoromo was literally the only one to blame for that whole outcome.

 

[ninjarasengan]

According to Hagoromo, Indra lead a solitary life, and Hagoromo also stated that he didn't pay any attention to Indra. Combine Indra's preference to work alone with Hagoromo's unintentional neglect and you get a kid who starts despising his dad and brother. Also, due to Asura's lack of skill, Asura became the child Hagoromo paid attention to and bonded with, combine that with the fact that everyone came to love and choose Asura, Indra probably felt alienated.

Then, Hagoromo is near death and not only gives Asura what Indra was more than likely waiting on as recompense for the lack of attention and investment he was getting from his father, but he also gives Asura his power's and expects Indra to cooperate as if this was some team effort the whole time.

I'm not justifying Indra's extreme actions, but I'm not convinced that a mere Sharingan would make him want to kill two people he was close with. He was more than likely unfamiliar with his brother and father, and the following circumstances just made it easier to hate them.

Oddly enough, his talent and Kekkei Genkai caused him to be overlooked unlike his future descendants who would greatly benefit from being Indra's descendants.

According to the Manga...Hagoromo watched over 'both' of his sons (didn't specify whether he did this distantly or had close relationships with them)

He didn't lean towards Ashura's way until Ashura had awakened the power of Bodily Chakra and he obtained the power to rival Indra 'on his own'. (Indra's level during this time is unkown...for all we know he could've only had a Mature 3 tomoe Sharingan.)

Then the Sage created the Bijuu (committed Suicide) and was rendered unable to move...while incapacitated he named Ashura his successor and Indra disagreed.

Black zetsu didn't go active until Hagoromo was already either bedridden or dead. That is when he started manipulating Indra.

Now assuming...just assuming...That Indra was anything like his descendants and ran away as soon as things didn't go his way. Then Hagoromo wouldn't have an opportunity to talk to him (being disabled and all) so he left the Stone Tablet before he died...which Black Zetsu changed anyway.

I see no justification for Indra...although, similar conflicts have happened in real life...still does not justify those actions.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Indra was really a kind guy who lacked his parents attention leading to anti-sociality disorder.

 

[New Dawn]

People like to point fingers but at the end of the day, its You. YOU choose to be selfish. YOU choose to hate. YOU choose to take it out on innocent people. YOU. Indra. YOU Sasuke. No one else.

 

[Brady]

According to the Manga...Hagoromo watched over 'both' of his sons (didn't specify whether he did this distantly or had close relationships with them)

He didn't lean towards Ashura's way until Ashura had awakened the power of Bodily Chakra and he obtained the power to rival Indra 'on his own'. (Indra's level during this time is unkown...for all we know he could've only had a Mature 3 tomoe Sharingan.)

Then the Sage created the Bijuu (committed Suicide) and was rendered unable to move...while incapacitated he named Ashura his successor and Indra disagreed.

Black zetsu didn't go active until Hagoromo was already either bedridden or dead. That is when he started manipulating Indra.

Now assuming...just assuming...That Indra was anything like his descendants and ran away as soon as things didn't go his way. Then Hagoromo wouldn't have an opportunity to talk to him (being disabled and all) so he left the Stone Tablet before he died...which Black Zetsu changed anyway.

I see no justification for Indra...although, similar conflicts have happened in real life...still does not justify those actions.

He said he didn't pay any attention to Indra, implying that his attention was mostly on Asura. He also claims that Asura constantly needed help from others, while Indra did everything alone. These two facts are manga facts. I'm not justifying shit, I'm just saying that it's not Indra being an ass-hole that caused this but indirectly caused, alienation.

I never said Hagoromo played favorites to Asura and his way, I'm just saying that due to Indra's preference of being alone, and Asura's need for constant assistance, Hagoromo would naturally end up knowing Asura and his ideals better than Indra. It's glaringly obvious that Hagoromo doesn't understand or know Indra, as he entrusts peace only to Asura's side.

When Sasuke decides to do things his way, Hagoromo says that he trusts Naruto to make things right before he leaves, despite the fact that maybe Naruto/Asura's path isn't the way. He shows a little bit of nuance when he admits that if the world prefers Indra's side then he's just selfishly standing in the way of that, but he honestly couldn't give a damn about nuance, he just cares about which side sounds better.

And despite the fact that he created the most amazing methods to peace ever, he doesn't teach Naruto or Sasuke the basics of Ninshuu before he leaves and merely throws his powerful abilities at them and expects them to figure something out.

 

[Brady]

People like to point fingers but at the end of the day, its You. YOU choose to be selfish. YOU choose to hate. YOU choose to take it out on innocent people. YOU. Indra. YOU Sasuke. No one else.

So factors that play into their decisions don't mean anything, we just get to throw all responsibility on the person for everything if they just happen to lash out, provocation be damned.

 

[iConquer]

Indra was insane. Itachi will blitz him.

 

[Avani 👑]

I found this immensely hilarious how you connected endless fandom hate to uchiha cycle of hate

I would be like Naruto and pick the peace route if hating wasn't fun

Well ... It's true still though.

A covets a job but his brother gets the position in the organization instead of him. Another cousin/uncle with vested interest gives him knowledge how he could sabotage the whole organization. He finds it perfect solution to deal with the situation and take control no matter what the costs. Thus he starts an endless war with his brother beyond death.

Did he have some provocation? Not much, since it wasn't meant to provoke him deliberately. His reason is inability to deal with one disappointment of losing the job- it was not end of the world but for him the top job was the only thing he would take. If one is unable to deal with one's emotions to that degree and can't sort things out well enough to know when s/he is crossing the line by miles, then s/he were not fit for that lead position to begin with.

Capable grown ups shouldn't be expecting their parents to be wiping their nose for rest of their lives. Hogomoro basically chose whom he saw as a better leader. Indra felt like brawling over it. So he left it for his other son to beat some sense back in to him. He spanking Indra himself wouldn't have helped either nor giving smaller toys. Since Indra put faith in power and control - he could only understand when he got beaten enough to acknowledge mental as well as physical power of his brother.

Did BZ manipulate him to a degree in taking certain course after his father's decision? Yes. But can he shift complete responsibility of his own actions on his father or an evil uncle without taking any share when he is the one doing things because of his own weakness? I don't think so.

 

[New Dawn]

So factors that play into their decisions don't mean anything, we just get to throw all responsibility on the person for everything if they just happen to lash out, provocation be damned.

Just because of life's injustices, that doesn't give you the right to dish it out on others.

 

[ninjarasengan]

He said he didn't pay any attention to Indra, implying that his attention was mostly on Asura. He also claims that Asura constantly needed help from others, while Indra did everything alone. These two facts are manga facts. I'm not justifying shit, I'm just saying that it's not Indra being an ass-hole that caused this but indirectly caused, alienation.

I never said Hagoromo played favorites to Asura and his way, I'm just saying that due to Indra's preference of being alone, and Asura's need for constant assistance, Hagoromo would naturally end up knowing Asura and his ideals better than Indra. It's glaringly obvious that Hagoromo doesn't understand or know Indra, as he entrusts peace only to Asura's side.

When Sasuke decides to do things his way, Hagoromo says that he trusts Naruto to make things right before he leaves, despite the fact that maybe Naruto/Asura's path isn't the way. He shows a little bit of nuance when he admits that if the world prefers Indra's side then he's just selfishly standing in the way of that, but he honestly couldn't give a damn about nuance, he just cares about which side sounds better.

And despite the fact that he created the most amazing methods to peace ever, he doesn't teach Naruto or Sasuke the basics of Ninshuu before he leaves and merely throws his powerful abilities at them and expects them to figure something out.

1-Where did Hagoromo say he didn't pay attention to Indra 'in the Manga'...I don't remember that.

2-He knows well Indra's Ideals(Which he called Kaguya's Ideals)...it's what led to Kaguya's actions. So, yeah, he's going to go the other way from a path he had already witnessed the end results of and had been working to cleanup behind. (Note. at the time he chose his successor he didn't have full knowledge of the events behind Juubi's attacks.)

In fact, Ashura's way was something new to him...seeing the results of that way inspired him.

3-Nothing suggests he knew anymore about Ashura than he Knew about Indra...it seems he mostly watched them both from afar.

What was there to teach Naruto and Sasuke?...he was also operating on limited time with Madara closing in on completing the Infinite Tsukuyomi.