It's a part of their lore, established by the author. Your disagreements do not have any weight whatsoever, I'm afraid as it's something decided by the creator.
No. But no one other than Sasuke would have awakened that Rinnegan. So, the chakra is the gifted power. The Rinnegan isn't.
He's still using someone else's eyes to supplement his power, even if your supposed to it doesn't change the fact.
So what's the problem then? Sasukes rinnegan is non existent without Hagos handed out chakra, it's a handed out power. You make it seem as if Sasuke himself did anything to awaken it
Naruto doesn't "borrow". That's such a moronic way to look at his fighting style. Naruto fought and defeated Kurama and the rest of the Tailed Beasts and *gained* their trust and devotion through his magnanimous will and real desire to help them. Nobody else cared about the Bijuu until Lawd Naruto stepped in. Everybody assumed they were unfeeling monsters of destruction and used them as tools. As beating them and setting them free, they chose to believe in their hero.
The Bijuu are a part of Naruto, they give him life. Their chakra is intertwined. Naruto and Kurama have been together since before Naruto was even born, the whiskers on his cheeks aren't decoration. As Kakashi, Jiraiya, and others have stated, Naruto and Kurama's chakra has been melding since their joining, again, before his birth.
You can't separate the two. Naruto earned and worked for that power 10x more than Sasuke ever worked for eyes. Hearing a sad story for MS and getting surgery for EMS is laughable tier in regards to deserving or reaching power. Being handed Rinnegan is no different than Naruto being gifted RSM. You can't cherry pick.
"Borrow".....means that Sasuke will give back or this power is dependant of someone other than Sasuke which is false.
Sasuke take or steal but he don't borrow.....Sasuke is not Naruto who borrow Kurama's power.
Sasuke's sharingan are now his eyes (their former owner don't matter anymore), and contrary to Kyubi, the sharingan are not a sentient creature who can refuse, its only a tools.
Naruto doesn't "borrow". That's such a moronic way to look at his fighting style. Naruto fought and defeated Kurama and the rest of the Tailed Beasts and *gained* their trust and devotion through his magnanimous will and real desire to help them. Nobody else cared about the Bijuu until Lawd Naruto stepped in. Everybody assumed they were unfeeling monsters of destruction and used them as tools. As beating them and setting them free, they chose to believe in their hero.
The Bijuu are a part of Naruto, they give him life. Their chakra is intertwined. Naruto and Kurama have been together since before Naruto was even born, the whiskers on his cheeks aren't decoration. As Kakashi, Jiraiya, and others have stated, Naruto and Kurama's chakra has been melding since their joining, again, before his birth.
You can't separate the two. Naruto earned and worked for that power 10x more than Sasuke ever worked for eyes. Hearing a sad story for MS and getting surgery for EMS is laughable tier in regards to deserving or reaching power. Being handed Rinnegan is no different than Naruto being gifted RSM. You can't cherry pick.
Naruto beat Kyubi, but that dosn't means that Kurama's cannot refuse to give his power....Naruto and Kyubi are two different individu, and Kurama can still refuse to help Naruto even this is unlikly scenario.
And Naruto train more than Sasuke ? Hell no.
After 3 years training for both of them with a sanin, it clear that Sasuke was cleary superior despite being the same level before the timeskip. Hell Naruto admit himself that Sasuke was too strong for him, and only after power up like Sage Mode and Kyubi Naruto become Sasuke egale in shippuden.
Even Sakura has train more than Naruto during the time skip.
He's still using someone else's eyes to supplement his power, even if your supposed to it doesn't change the fact.
So what's the problem then? Sasukes rinnegan is non existent without Hagos handed out chakra, it's a handed out power. You make it seem as if Sasuke himself did anything to awaken it
Looks like the concept of a "common Clan practice" is beyond you. No offense, but rejecting canon logic of lore won't help your argument as Itachi's eyes are useless without Sasuke at the receiving end. Otherwise, many Uchihas would have had awakened EMS. How many achieved it?
Who claimed that he wasn't "gifted" with the chakra? It would be great if you actually invested some basic effort in reading. Yes, he awakened it himself. The chakra wouldn't do anything if he didn't have the potential to awaken it. Without Sasuke, there is no Special Rinnegan in the equation.
Naruto doesn't "borrow". That's such a moronic way to look at his fighting style. Naruto fought and defeated Kurama and the rest of the Tailed Beasts and *gained* their trust and devotion through his magnanimous will and real desire to help them. Nobody else cared about the Bijuu until Lawd Naruto stepped in. Everybody assumed they were unfeeling monsters of destruction and used them as tools. As beating them and setting them free, they chose to believe in their hero.
The Bijuu are a part of Naruto, they give him life. Their chakra is intertwined. Naruto and Kurama have been together since before Naruto was even born, the whiskers on his cheeks aren't decoration. As Kakashi, Jiraiya, and others have stated, Naruto and Kurama's chakra has been melding since their joining, again, before his birth.
You can't separate the two. Naruto earned and worked for that power 10x more than Sasuke ever worked for eyes. Hearing a sad story for MS and getting surgery for EMS is laughable tier in regards to deserving or reaching power. Being handed Rinnegan is no different than Naruto being gifted RSM. You can't cherry pick.
Looks like the concept of a "common Clan practice" is beyond you. No offense, but rejecting canon logic of lore won't help your argument as Itachi's eyes are useless without Sasuke at the receiving end. Otherwise, many Uchihas would have had awakened EMS. How many achieved it?
Who claimed that he wasn't "gifted" with the chakra? It would be great if you actually invested some basic effort in reading. Yes, he awakened it himself. The chakra wouldn't do anything if he didn't have the potential to awake it. Without Sasuke, there is no Rinnegan in the equation.
I think of Naruto as I think of Frodo Baggins. both of them need help from other characters.in both LOTR and Naruto they try to carry the burden on their own and find it doesn't work.i don't think it takes away from them at all
I think of Naruto as I think of Frodo Baggins. both of them need help from other characters.in both LOTR and Naruto they try to carry the burden on their own and find it doesn't work.i don't think it takes away from them at all
Naruto doesn't "borrow". That's such a moronic way to look at his fighting style. Naruto fought and defeated Kurama and the rest of the Tailed Beasts and *gained* their trust and devotion through his magnanimous will and real desire to help them. Nobody else cared about the Bijuu until Lawd Naruto stepped in. Everybody assumed they were unfeeling monsters of destruction and used them as tools. As beating them and setting them free, they chose to believe in their hero.
The Bijuu are a part of Naruto, they give him life. Their chakra is intertwined. Naruto and Kurama have been together since before Naruto was even born, the whiskers on his cheeks aren't decoration. As Kakashi, Jiraiya, and others have stated, Naruto and Kurama's chakra has been melding since their joining, again, before his birth.
You can't separate the two. Naruto earned and worked for that power 10x more than Sasuke ever worked for eyes. Hearing a sad story for MS and getting surgery for EMS is laughable tier in regards to deserving or reaching power. Being handed Rinnegan is no different than Naruto being gifted RSM. You can't cherry pick.
Dumbest shit ever on Base like whiskers even matter when Boruto and himawari have that or Gaara has rings around his eyes.The Post is literally Ebola :lol
Looks like the concept of a "common Clan practice" is beyond you. No offense, but rejecting canon logic of lore won't help your argument as Itachi's eyes are useless without Sasuke at the receiving end. Otherwise, many Uchihas would have had awakened EMS. How many achieved it?
Who claimed that he wasn't "gifted" with the chakra? It would be great if you actually invested some basic effort in reading. Yes, he awakened it himself. The chakra wouldn't do anything if he didn't have the potential to awaken it. Without Sasuke, there is no Special Rinnegan in the equation.
I understand it's common practice, I also understand that being a common practice doesn't change that it's still using someone else's eyes, literally.
Without itachi there would be no ems Sasuke
Without hago there would be no rinne sasuke
In the case of the latter, he was literally just given the chakra. The handed out chakra awakened his rinne. You can separate and "trump" around those two thing all you want his rinnegan is a handout, or if you'd like, literally only exists because of a handout
I understand it's common practice, I also understand that being a common practice doesn't change that it's still using someone else's eyes, literally.
Without itachi there would be no ems Sasuke
Without hago there would be no rinne sasuke
In the case of the latter, he was literally just given the chakra. The handed out chakra awakened his rinne. You can separate and "trump" around those two thing all you want his rinnegan is a handout, or if you'd like, literally only exists because of a handout
Naruto beat Kyubi, but that dosn't means that Kurama's cannot refuse to give his power....Naruto and Kyubi are two different individu, and Kurama can still refuse to help Naruto even this is unlikly scenario.
A) No he can't. Naruto already forcibly extracted Kurama powers, that's how he got KCM, genius. Naruto never once cooperated with Kurama until the War Arc yet he forcibly used their combined power several times before then. It also stemmed from his rage a la 4 Tails again Oro or 7 Tails against Pain.
B) They're a tandem with melded chakra pools that aren't separable. That's why KCM Naruto turned all those Zetsu into trees, because of that life giving property in their melded chakra.
C) Every Jin can use their Bijuu's power forcibly. That's how Roshi had Lava Release, Han with Steam Release, etc.
And Naruto train more than Sasuke ? Hell no.
After 3 years training for both of them with a sanin, it clear that Sasuke was cleary superior despite being the same level before the timeskip. Hell Naruto admit himself that Sasuke was too strong for him, and only after power up like Sage Mode and Kyubi Naruto become Sasuke egale in shippuden.
Sasuke used borrowed power to train in the Curse Mark, in addition to steroids while Naruto spent that time learning the ways of peace and looking at titties with J-Man. Sasuke may have trained, but it was bullshit training with Orochimaru's hand down his pants juicing him up with his powers. Only serves to prove my point further.
Even Sakura has train more than Naruto during the time skip.
Sakura hasn't trained a day in her life while Naruto trained until he literally couldn't stand with Rasengan, spent hours in the forest working on Kage Bunshin for years, yet again trained til he dropped for Rasen-Shuriken, spent even more time training for Sage Mode, fought for his literal life to obtain KCM, fought and stalemated Six Paths of Obito before linking with Kurama fully and getting BM, then combining BM and SM to use BSM. Only thing Naruto was given was RSM while Sasuke was just handed Itachi's jutsu, his Ocular strength, and ranked up his Susano'o by getting progressively butthurt.
Dude not only did I not mention any of that, I don't really care who got what power up my only point was that it was a handout, there's nothing wrong with that, it still is what it is though
Dude not only did I not mention any of that, I don't really care who got what power up my only point was that it was a handout, there's nothing wrong with that, it still is what it is though
I understand it's common practice, I also understand that being a common practice doesn't change that it's still using someone else's eyes, literally.
Without itachi there would be no ems Sasuke
Without hago there would be no rinne sasuke
In the case of the latter, he was literally just given the chakra. The handed out chakra awakened his rinne. You can separate and "trump" around those two thing all you want his rinnegan is a handout, or if you'd like, literally only exists because of a handout
And you don't get my argument; Itachi's eyes were literally useless. He could barely see. He was near blind just like Sasuke was. In fact, even worse. That is when custom comes into play. Just like Izanami was invented by using various eyes to counter another Kinjutsu, MS pairs were used to learn the secrets to gain EMS, and Uchihas repeatedly failed as the manga states.
This isn't borrowing in any sense of the word as it's something the Clan does and had been doing for eons. Only Sasuke can gain Light. Give Itachi's eyes to anyone else and it'll be a useless pair one wink away from complete blindness. Borrowed powers, indeed.
No one denied it. But:
Without Sasuke, there is no EMS. But, it's a Clan custom. So, it isn't a gift nor it is borrowed power. To deny it is to deny the manga lore.
Without Sasuke, there is no Tomoe Rinnegan.
The Rinnegan isn't the handout. The chakra is. No offense, but spin it countless times if you must, Sasuke and only Sasuke is capable of gaining it. Not Madara, not Naruto not anyone else. Sasuke awakened the Rinnegan himself. The only ninja capable of gaining such an advanced eye.
And you don't get my argument; Itachi's eyes were literally useless. He could barely see. He was near blind just like Sasuke was. In fact, even worse. That is when custom comes into play. Just like Izanami was invented by using various eyes to counter another Kinjutsu, MS pairs were used to learn the secrets to gain eyes. This isn't borrowing in any sense of the word as it's something the Clan does. Only Sasuke can gain Light. Give Itachi's eyes to anyone else and it'll be a useless pair on wink away from complete blindness.
No one denied it. But:
Without Sasuke, there is no EMS. But, it's a Clan custom. So, it isn't a gift nor it is borrowed power. To deny it is to deny the manga lore.
Without Sasuke, there is no Tomoe Rinnegan.
The Rinnegan isn't the handout. The chakra is. No offense, but spin it countless times if you must, Sasuke and only Sasuke is capable of gaining it. Not Madara, not Naruto not anyone else. Sasuke awakened the Rinnegan himself. The only ninja capable of gaining such an advanced eye.
A) No he can't. Naruto already forcibly extracted Kurama powers, that's how he got KCM, genius. Naruto never once cooperated with Kurama until the War Arc yet he forcibly used their combined power several times before then. It also stemmed from his rage a la 4 Tails again Oro or 7 Tails against Pain.
B) They're a tandem with melded chakra pools that aren't separable. That's why KCM Naruto turned all those Zetsu into trees, because of that life giving property in their melded chakra.
C) Every Jin can use their Bijuu's power forcibly. That's how Roshi had Lava Release, Han with Steam Release, etc.
Before Kurama become a friend, Naruto was unable to use Kyubi form, and his KCM was limited in time because while Naruto was steling Kurama chacra, Kurama too was able too steal Naruto chacra which should have killed Naruto if Naruto used KCM for too long.
Sasuke used borrowed power to train in the Curse Mark, in addition to steroids while Naruto spent that time learning the ways of peace and looking at titties with J-Man. Sasuke may have trained, but it was bullshit training with Orochimaru's hand down his pants juicing him up with his powers. Only serves to prove my point further.
Are you serious ? So Naruto lean philosophy rather than ninja skill during 3 years ?
Find a better reason, please.....
Sakura hasn't trained a day in her life while Naruto trained until he literally couldn't stand with Rasengan, spent hours in the forest working on Kage Bunshin for years, yet again trained til he dropped for Rasen-Shuriken, spent even more time training for Sage Mode, fought for his literal life to obtain KCM, fought and stalemated Six Paths of Obito before linking with Kurama fully and getting BM, then combining BM and SM to use BSM. Only thing Naruto was given was RSM while Sasuke was just handed Itachi's jutsu, his Ocular strength, and ranked up his Susano'o by getting progressively butthurt.
So Sakura slep one day, and awoke with super streng and one knowladge to be one of the best medic ninja in konoha the other day ?
Naruto's "training" show Naruto is a prodige (sage mode in 3 days, KCM in 6 hours......) but not a hardworker.
Sasuke in 3 years, learns 10 new chidorie, Kirin, speed which blids Naruto, genjutsu, summoning....while Naruto speak about philosophy.......
Sasuke's power up is a power up, but Naruto's power up is disguised like a training for a genious, right ?
How? I never mentioned anything other than Sasuke having a handout, and that's still my point. Where's the backpedal? When did i say it was a bad/negative thing? Go ahead, show me
like whiskers even matter when Boruto and himawari have that or Gaara has rings around his eyes.The Post is literally Ebola :lol
