[Discussion] homosexuality

[Space Cowboy]

Oh yes, retreat and surrender that you meant it as a joke lol. Just because you say those things so casually makes you an even bigger moron.

How can nothing be in it be proven when there is proof. Here's an example that might give you some insight. You claim that there is no God. No one has seen God. But no one has seen wind either. You can tell me all day what wind is how it is created and we can even feel wind. No matter how hard you try you will not be able to physically see wind. Just like wind we cannot physically see him, until judgement day. But that does not mean he is not there, leading us, guiding us, if we so let him.

It was a joke. From a movie. I am not going to wish death on someone just because theyre stupid. The wind comparison might be one of the dumbest things ive ever heard. Wind is measurable. "god" is not. Get out of here and try using real logic

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

Well I didnt claim your a dog.... that meme is generally used to convey that on the internet no one knows what the other person truly is.... Ah people with no sense of humor, taking the fun out of life since.... forever.

1. Well what all fundamentalists usually says..... dah.

2. Here
3. So is the Koran, the Bhagbat Gita etc etc so whats your point?

Well Gravity is a Theory too so u better put glue on your shoes...... Again i ask do u read your Bible?

Well no matter how much you were provoked insulting even when insulting back is wrong, leaves no difference between you and him... and mods will penalize you both for it and thus its not at all smart.

Also I find simple but brilliant trolls more baffling ....



Well then can u name a few things that Bible forbids but people do it anyway and a few things the Bible allows but is illegal in most countries?

Actually when I'm debating I don't take things lightly. You might for you are not serious and kudos, you should just stop posting for you have wasted both mine and your time. It may be wrong, and I pray for forgiveness. There are no excuses for "criticizing" him, however he does and still is provoking. This is the internet where anyone can say anything anywhere. Who care's if the mods penalize me. I sure don't. Besides, they might penalize you for continuously posting non vital info needed on this thread. check the rules. I sure did. Anyway, replying back to what could be prevented if you did not comment first.... that is what is not smart. Use your head. We three have already changed the subject from homosexuals to my belief on the bible. I will give you some on account of that question being useless. homosexuality.... Up until the moment the government loosened the rules and will probably get rid of the rule, it is not considered marriage between a man and a man in several states, however some have already changed their law and have ok'd it. But it would not be considered legal marriage in a different state than the one's that have changed their laws.

It was a joke. From a movie. I am not going to wish death on someone just because theyre stupid. The wind comparison might be one of the dumbest things ive ever heard. Wind is measurable. "god" is not. Get out of here and try using real logic

Quit retreating and just get over it. Whether it was a quote from a movie or you find it humorous to wish death upon others, I don't care. It is real logic. You just don't see the logic inside the metaphor. Seeing isn't believing, Believing is seeing. Surely you've heard that quote before. Once again you throw out my "logic" without presenting any of your own. Nice

 

[Space Cowboy]

Actually when I'm debating I don't take things lightly. You might for you are not serious and kudos, you should just stop posting for you have wasted both mine and your time. It may be wrong, and I pray for forgiveness. There are no excuses for "criticizing" him, however he does and still is provoking. This is the internet where anyone can say anything anywhere. Who care's if the mods penalize me. I sure don't. Besides, they might penalize you for continuously posting non vital info needed on this thread. check the rules. I sure did. Anyway, replying back to what could be prevented if you did not comment first.... that is what is not smart. Use your head. We three have already changed the subject from homosexuals to my belief on the bible. I will give you some on account of that question being useless. homosexuality.... Up until the moment the government loosened the rules and will probably get rid of the rule, it is not considered marriage between a man and a man in several states, however some have already changed their law and have ok'd it. But it would not be considered legal marriage in a different state than the one's that have changed their laws.



Quit retreating and just get over it. Whether it was a quote from a movie or you find it humorous to wish death upon others, I don't care. It is real logic. You just don't see the logic inside the metaphor. Seeing isn't believing, Believing is seeing. Surely you've heard that quote before. Once again you throw out my "logic" without presenting any of your own. Nice

Jesus Christ dude. Im not retreating shit. it was a joke, if youre that sensitive, its your problem. And no, there is literally no comparison between the existence of a god and the existence of wind. One is measurable, one is not. One has proof of its existence, the other does not. See what im getting at? And theres no need to put my logic out there when its so damn easy to disprove yours. Im much too tired to really get into this discussion right now. If you want to debate the existence of god so badly, make a thread about it tomorrow. I will be sure to make you look like a fool there as well

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

Well then can u name a few things that Bible forbids but people do it anyway and a few things the Bible allows but is illegal in most countries?[/QUOTE]

Another 10 I will give you are the 10 commandments God gave to Moses which are the RULES OF GOD. Despite everything else. These rules are most important for they were given directly from God. I do not know if any countries go against any of these rules for there are to many countries for me to look up. lol I will say that people do go against these rules daily.

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

Jesus Christ dude. Im not retreating shit. it was a joke, if youre that sensitive, its your problem. And no, there is literally no comparison between the existence of a god and the existence of wind. One is measurable, one is not. One has proof of its existence, the other does not. See what im getting at? And theres no need to put my logic out there when its so damn easy to disprove yours. Im much too tired to really get into this discussion right now. If you want to debate the existence of god so badly, make a thread about it tomorrow. I will be sure to make you look like a fool there as well

Now here's the kicker. You say there is no God, but why say his son's name? You say its a joke to wish upon death or a disease and than say that its from a movie... what movie exactly was this. Why would I make another thread just so you could post on it with your ignoramus logic lol. Believe though I might sooner or later. I was simply using it as an example, you took it to heart. Sad boy. You want proof, here, I'll give you some. We are created from a sperm and an egg from a woman. Key word created. Everything around you that you know was created by someone or something. You cannot make anything from nothing, correct? So, we were created. Created by God. Now this will turn into either Evolution, or the big bang theory or what not, but there is your proof. Quit being such a hypochondriac (look it up dum dum) and quit posting Gnight dum dum.

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

If anyone else posts, Ill reply tomorrow cause, just like dum dum i'm pretty tired too, gnight everyone

 

[Anorien16]

Actually when I'm debating I don't take things lightly. You might for you are not serious and kudos, you should just stop posting for you have wasted both mine and your time. It may be wrong, and I pray for forgiveness. There are no excuses for "criticizing" him, however he does and still is provoking. This is the internet where anyone can say anything anywhere. Who care's if the mods penalize me. I sure don't. Besides, they might penalize you for continuously posting non vital info needed on this thread. check the rules. I sure did. Anyway, replying back to what could be prevented if you did not comment first.... that is what is not smart. Use your head. We three have already changed the subject from homosexuals to my belief on the bible. I will give you some on account of that question being useless. homosexuality.... Up until the moment the government loosened the rules and will probably get rid of the rule, it is not considered marriage between a man and a man in several states, however some have already changed their law and have ok'd it. But it would not be considered legal marriage in a different state than the one's that have changed their laws.

Going off topic is not as criminal as insulting as while discussing other stuff is bound to be dragged in..... also if memory serves in your first post u said that u may give your reasons why u believe homosexuality is wrong.... and since the Bible is basis of your belief we are not actually far off topic when we are discussing the Bible.....

As for Government regulations (we are going off topic again), Many Governments in the world had been unethical during its course... but here we are discussing the possible inherent wrongs of Homosexuality.... which according to your interpretation of the Bible is absolutely evil..... so I ask again can u name a few things that Bible forbids but people do it anyway and a few things the Bible allows but is illegal (and in a way considered) in most countries?

PS You see this question matters cos we have to consider the validity of certain commands of the Bible with an open mind....... as some people (if not most) ignores some dictates of the Bible while enforcing some others..... so if we understand how and why some dictates are ignored, then perhaps we can decide if homosexuality is wrong or not....

PPS Well I usually not serious as I dont like to stress out..... also u expect full blown seriousness while asking about inherent possible wrongs of homosexuality, in freaking ANIME FORUM? Seriously?

Another 10 I will give you are the 10 commandments God gave to Moses which are the RULES OF GOD. Despite everything else. These rules are most important for they were given directly from God. I do not know if any countries go against any of these rules for there are to many countries for me to look up. lol I will say that people do go against these rules daily.

Well some of those RULES are common in most cultures/religions and thus playing along a generic theme . . . . . and as far as I know none of the 10 commandments concerns Homosexuality.... your off topic again.

 

[HadouKage]

Going off topic is not as criminal as insulting as while discussing other stuff is bound to be dragged in..... also if memory serves in your first post u said that u may give your reasons why u believe homosexuality is wrong.... and since the Bible is basis of your belief we are not actually far off topic when we are discussing the Bible.....

As for Government regulations (we are going off topic again), Many Governments in the world had been unethical during its course... but here we are discussing the possible inherent wrongs of Homosexuality.... which according to your interpretation of the Bible is absolutely evil..... so I ask again can u name a few things that Bible forbids but people do it anyway and a few things the Bible allows but is illegal (and in a way considered) in most countries?

PS You see this question matters cos we have to consider the validity of certain commands of the Bible with an open mind....... as some people (if not most) ignores some dictates of the Bible while enforcing some others..... so if we understand how and why some dictates are ignored, then perhaps we can decide if homosexuality is wrong or not....

PPS Well I usually not serious as I dont like to stress out..... also u expect full blown seriousness while asking about inherent possible wrongs of homosexuality, in freaking ANIME FORUM? Seriously?



Well some of those RULES are common in most cultures/religions and thus playing along a generic theme . . . . . and as far as I know none of the 10 commandments concerns Homosexuality.... your off topic again.

None of the 10 commandments talk about pedophillia as well

 

[Anorien16]

None of the 10 commandments talk about pedophillia as well

Well in the ancient times in many cultures girls were married pretty soon usually around 14-15 . . . . .

Anyway pedophilia is considered illegal (well in most cases, not all countries) in this era because most of us finally learnt that at young ages individuals are unable to comprehend the consequences to *** (similar to why below 18s are not allowed to vote) and it can be physically and mentally traumatic to them (not to mention their consent also matters) . . . . thats why we protect them from harm till they are ready . . . . . Also due to advanced medicine people die less often and thus there is no pressure to keep the population stable, so we can concentrate on quality instead of quantity.

Also if I m right.... the 10 commandments commands not to kill and we all know the reality.......

 

[Space Cowboy]

Now here's the kicker. You say there is no God, but why say his son's name? You say its a joke to wish upon death or a disease and than say that its from a movie... what movie exactly was this. Why would I make another thread just so you could post on it with your ignoramus logic lol. Believe though I might sooner or later. I was simply using it as an example, you took it to heart. Sad boy. You want proof, here, I'll give you some. We are created from a sperm and an egg from a woman. Key word created. Everything around you that you know was created by someone or something. You cannot make anything from nothing, correct? So, we were created. Created by God. Now this will turn into either Evolution, or the big bang theory or what not, but there is your proof. Quit being such a hypochondriac (look it up dum dum) and quit posting Gnight dum dum.

Its a common expression. Jesus is a fairy tale figure. Like Santa Claus. The movie is Ted. I already told you this.. And because the discussion started to take a turn towards religion, when it is supposed to be about homosexuality. That "proof" is my favorite fail-logic used by theists. What made your god then? What makes him the exception to the rule that all things must be created? No one has a satisfactory answer to that. Also, im impressed you can use a dictionary/thesaurus.

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

Well in the ancient times in many cultures girls were married pretty soon usually around 14-15 . . . . .

Anyway pedophilia is considered illegal (well in most cases, not all countries) in this era because most of us finally learnt that at young ages individuals are unable to comprehend the consequences to *** (similar to why below 18s are not allowed to vote) and it can be physically and mentally traumatic to them (not to mention their consent also matters) . . . . thats why we protect them from harm till they are ready . . . . . Also due to advanced medicine people die less often and thus there is no pressure to keep the population stable, so we can concentrate on quality instead of quantity.

Also if I m right.... the 10 commandments commands not to kill and we all know the reality.......

See here's the thing no matter what proof I give, to you two it doesn't really matter, however small it may be, proof is proof. I don't know what country you live in or what fairy tell you are writing, but most people now have lost their virginity BEFORE 18. It's sad, but in today's society if you want to fit in, or "be popular" you have to smoke, drink, and have ***. It is illegal in America to have *** under 18 for it is called statutory rape, yet we know people do it anyway just like people drink under 21. As for the 10 commandments they fit into most society because they were created for the purpose of what we should and should not do. Number 5 commands us to HONOR THY FATHER AND THY MOTHER. You cannot honor a man and a man or a woman and a woman as a father father or mother mother. Please do not tell me how one can be the other because that's wrong by itself. It commands not to murder in cold blood. Look it up before you post untrue things.

Its a common expression. Jesus is a fairy tale figure. Like Santa Claus. The movie is Ted. I already told you this.. And because the discussion started to take a turn towards religion, when it is supposed to be about homosexuality. That "proof" is my favorite fail-logic used by theists. What made your god then? What makes him the exception to the rule that all things must be created? No one has a satisfactory answer to that. Also, im impressed you can use a dictionary/thesaurus.

Unless you were with a parent while watching ted you watched it illegally trololol, just saying.

Anyway, You have your opinion of who Jesus is, but why make fun of him when you know its important to others. Your doing the same thing that you claim your not doing which is hypocritical. It didn't turn into religion until you and some others wouldn't stop commenting, look back and look. Because there must be a CREATOR hence GOD, duh dum dum. Im surprised you know what a dictionary is, good for you.

 

[Space Cowboy]

See here's the thing no matter what proof I give, to you two it doesn't really matter, however small it may be, proof is proof. I don't know what country you live in or what fairy tell you are writing, but most people now have lost their virginity BEFORE 18. It's sad, but in today's society if you want to fit in, or "be popular" you have to smoke, drink, and have ***. It is illegal in America to have *** under 18 for it is called statutory rape, yet we know people do it anyway just like people drink under 21. As for the 10 commandments they fit into most society because they were created for the purpose of what we should and should not do. Number 5 commands us to HONOR THY FATHER AND THY MOTHER. You cannot honor a man and a man or a woman and a woman as a father father or mother mother. Please do not tell me how one can be the other because that's wrong by itself. It commands not to murder in cold blood. Look it up before you post untrue things.



Unless you were with a parent while watching ted you watched it illegally trololol, just saying.

Anyway, You have your opinion of who Jesus is, but why make fun of him when you know its important to others. Your doing the same thing that you claim your not doing which is hypocritical. It didn't turn into religion until you and some others wouldn't stop commenting, look back and look. Because there must be a CREATOR hence GOD, duh dum dum. Im surprised you know what a dictionary is, good for you.

17 is the legal age to watch R movies.. Anyways your creator must have been created by something also according to your logic yes?

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

.... my bad about the r rated movies. Anyway, no he is the supreme being The king of kings and lord of lords. He is the creator of everything. He was always there and still is here. I wish this moderator though would close this thread soon though, I already achieved my goal so its not like I need to keep posting trololol

 

[Space Cowboy]

.... my bad about the r rated movies. Anyway, no he is the supreme being The king of kings and lord of lords. He is the creator of everything. He was always there and still is here. I wish this moderator though would close this thread soon though, I already achieved my goal so its not like I need to keep posting trololol

..So then your logic contradicts itself.

 

[Anorien16]

See here's the thing no matter what proof I give, to you two it doesn't really matter, however small it may be, proof is proof. I don't know what country you live in or what fairy tell you are writing, but most people now have lost their virginity BEFORE 18. It's sad, but in today's society if you want to fit in, or "be popular" you have to smoke, drink, and have ***. It is illegal in America to have *** under 18 for it is called statutory rape, yet we know people do it anyway just like people drink under 21. As for the 10 commandments they fit into most society because they were created for the purpose of what we should and should not do. Number 5 commands us to HONOR THY FATHER AND THY MOTHER. You cannot honor a man and a man or a woman and a woman as a father father or mother mother. Please do not tell me how one can be the other because that's wrong by itself. It commands not to murder in cold blood. Look it up before you post untrue things.

Well first of all the above quote was not directed at you..... in that part i explained to another person why the Law in most countries consider *** below the age one reaches complete physical and mental maturity a rather undesirable situation ....... whether people follow the law or not is totally different context. I dont know about you but you are seemingly confused as u are repeating what i said and yet it is fairy tale to you . . . . . . As for the commandment honor thy father and mother, what about single parents? or adopted children? or single parents who adopt? arnt they a exception too, to Honor thy Father and Mother Rule?

I dont know what hell hole your living but I m not primitive primate that i will always bow to 'popular demand' and totally erase my sense of self .... i never smoke (cant stand it), drank only once and didnt like it and am a virgin . . . . . if someone has some problem with that they can shove it up their posterior.........

As for you shall not murder thing..... are you aware how many translations are out there? I think KJV says 'Thou shalt not kill'... u can check it out yourself.

As for proof u presented .... i would actually like some . . . as you were actually hijacking my conversation with some one else totally twisting away the context.....

Anyway the following is actually what we were talking about:

Actually when I'm debating I don't take things lightly. You might for you are not serious and kudos, you should just stop posting for you have wasted both mine and your time. It may be wrong, and I pray for forgiveness. There are no excuses for "criticizing" him, however he does and still is provoking. This is the internet where anyone can say anything anywhere. Who care's if the mods penalize me. I sure don't. Besides, they might penalize you for continuously posting non vital info needed on this thread. check the rules. I sure did. Anyway, replying back to what could be prevented if you did not comment first.... that is what is not smart. Use your head. We three have already changed the subject from homosexuals to my belief on the bible. I will give you some on account of that question being useless. homosexuality.... Up until the moment the government loosened the rules and will probably get rid of the rule, it is not considered marriage between a man and a man in several states, however some have already changed their law and have ok'd it. But it would not be considered legal marriage in a different state than the one's that have changed their laws.

Going off topic is not as criminal as insulting as while discussing other stuff is bound to be dragged in..... also if memory serves in your first post u said that u may give your reasons why u believe homosexuality is wrong.... and since the Bible is basis of your belief we are not actually far off topic when we are discussing the Bible.....

As for Government regulations (we are going off topic again), Many Governments in the world had been unethical during its course... but here we are discussing the possible inherent wrongs of Homosexuality.... which according to your interpretation of the Bible is absolutely evil..... so I ask again can u name a few things that Bible forbids but people do it anyway and a few things the Bible allows but is illegal (and in a way considered) in most countries?

PS You see this question matters cos we have to consider the validity of certain commands of the Bible with an open mind....... as some people (if not most) ignores some dictates of the Bible while enforcing some others..... so if we understand how and why some dictates are ignored, then perhaps we can decide if homosexuality is wrong or not....

PPS Well I usually not serious as I dont like to stress out..... also u expect full blown seriousness while asking about inherent possible wrongs of homosexuality, in freaking ANIME FORUM? Seriously?

Another 10 I will give you are the 10 commandments God gave to Moses which are the RULES OF GOD. Despite everything else. These rules are most important for they were given directly from God. I do not know if any countries go against any of these rules for there are to many countries for me to look up. lol I will say that people do go against these rules daily.

Well some of those RULES are common in most cultures/religions and thus playing along a generic theme . . . . . and as far as I know none of the 10 commandments concerns Homosexuality.... your off topic again.

 

[HadouKage]

..So then your logic contradicts itself.

Thats something we'll never know because we are nearly human. A supreme being cannot be created and like he said, God has always existed (like time and space supposedly). I don't feel like debating about this so I'm going to leave it at that

 

[Space Cowboy]

Thats something we'll never know because we are nearly human. A supreme being cannot be created and like he said, God has always existed (like time and space supposedly). I don't feel like debating about this so I'm going to leave it at that

BUT Y U NO HAVE PROOF!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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[Anorien16]

Thats something we'll never know because we are nearly human. A supreme being cannot be created and like he said, God has always existed (like time and space supposedly). I don't feel like debating about this so I'm going to leave it at that

Well u can not first say that some thing can not exist with out a creator but the next moment when asked about who created the creator claim that creator did not need his creator, as he existed from the beginning . . . . . Eternal existence is something that even science takes into consideration, to them matter+energy combination is eternal but their form changes, thus to some the 'creator' itself is the 'creation' (some call it pantheism)..... but most people claim that since every thing is divine there is no morality in a such a belief.... which is plainly wrong as in the world everything exists twos.... if there is creation there will be destruction, if there is divine there will be corrupt, so basically its saying that those that harms the growth of creation and breaks the delicate cyclic balance can be called the corrupt . . . .


Come on.... i like to debate this things....

Edit: Sorry went off topic... perhaps later.

 

[HadouKage]

BUT Y U NO HAVE PROOF!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Y U HAVE NO PROOF THAT HE DOESN"T EXIST? In this statement I cannot prove it to you as I have none. My only defense on the matter is that I believe we as human beings are not meant to have omnipotent knowledge as I feel humans have the capability of causing mass destruction.

Well u can not first say that some thing can not exist with out a creator but the next moment when asked about who created the creator claim that creator did not need his creator, as he existed from the beginning . . . . . Eternal existence is something that even science takes into consideration, to them matter+energy combination is eternal but their form changes, thus to some the 'creator' itself is the 'creation' (some call it pantheism)..... but most people claim that since every thing is divine there is no morality in a such a belief.... which is plainly wrong as in the world everything exists twos.... if there is creation there will be destruction, if there is divine there will be corrupt, so basically its saying that those that harms the growth of creation and breaks the delicate cyclic balance can be called the corrupt . . . .


Come on.... i like to debate this things....

Edit: Sorry went off topic... perhaps later.

Not a problem. That's something that I believe that maybe the creator is not an actual person but actually something of unknown or known substances that cannot be created. In the bible it does say that God has always existed and what do scientist claim about the Earth? That the matter that created has always been there. The divine I believe do have morality however some, like myself claim morality to be subject depending on the who and where. While my religion suggest that the divine one's morality is the greatest to follow, some disagree. I will be on and off so

 

[Anorien16]

Not a problem. That's something that I believe that maybe the creator is not an actual person but actually something of unknown or known substances that cannot be created. In the bible it does say that God has always existed and what do scientist claim about the Earth? That the matter that created has always been there. The divine I believe do have morality however some, like myself claim morality to be subject depending on the who and where. While my religion suggest that the divine one's morality is the greatest to follow, some disagree. I will be on and off so

That is legit in a sense.... also do note that our ancestors were limited by knowledge of those times thus their understandings of the matter may have been not up to the mark.... also morality IS subjective cos if u read the Bible thoroughly enough u might notice the evolution of the moral code or rather the human understanding of it, for example note that prostitution was considered gravest of crimes in those times according to the old laws but we all know what Jesus did and said to the harlot: he forgave her sins because she had loved, while many others cursed her . . . . . So if some one is full of love for another, his god and lives his life without harming others... who are we to judge?

Now coming back to the original topic let us do note that the Old Testament is full of things that most people dont care about these days except one..... Here are some examples: Even touching the skin of a pig is abomination, homosexual *** is an abomination, cutting of side burns or rounded haircuts are forbidden, planting two type of crops in the same field is a sin, eating certain sea food is sin, wearing garments made of two type of materials is sin, anyone with physical defects can not go to a prayer halls etc etc . . . . now does these laws sounds like God's commands or man's additions? (Also note that Jesus never said anything about sexual orientation....) Now these facts leads me to believe that Homosexuality may not even be a actual sin according the Bible itself!!!! If it is then I am afraid over 95% Christians are committing sins everyday and thus beware........
So my only advice is if someone is homosexual and is not harming anyone in anyway then let him be..... if God is there he will take care of things.....

PS What i mean to say that our ancestors viewed world only as well as they could but since things have changed we should learn and grow with it . . . . Just as the New Testament evolved from the Old

PPS One thing that has always bugged me is that, Jesus was in no way illiterate: so where are his own writings? where is the Gospel of Jesus? Instead we have various versions by his various disciples.......