Hokage vs JJ Madara

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How can the last bsm naruto avatar be enough to nearly beat DR JJ Madara
He should still be much much weaker to his RSM form
 

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Naruto and Kakashi should be enough to take this. VoTE Naruto was already nearing Madara's level on his own, let alone with the boost in power he got from Ch. 699 to The Last and help from Kakashi.
hmmmm, doesn't kakashi get negged off limbo alone?

only naruto should be able to sense the limbos here, every other hokage would be instantly killed off limbo.

JJ madara takes on naruto after the other hokages are done for.

I'll honestly like for you to explain if you disagree. i mean like i said limbo alone will sweep most of the hokages in 1 hit they wont see it coming. and that includes kakashi


there's no restriction here, madara is out to kill.
 

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hmmmm, doesn't kakashi get negged off limbo alone?

only naruto should be able to sense the limbos here, every other hokage would be instantly killed off limbo.

JJ madara takes on naruto after the other hokages are done for.

I'll honestly like for you to explain if you disagree. i mean like i said limbo alone will sweep most of the hokages in 1 hit they wont see it coming. and that includes kakashi


there's no restriction here, madara is out to kill.
-Limbo can't take Susanoo out, or even scratch it.

-Naruto isn't going to sit there and let Limbo take out Kakashi.

-The rest of the Hokage don't matter, except maybe Tobirama and Minato, but they are all safe inside Naruto or Kakashi's Avatar since Limbo can't break through. They'll be safer in Naruto's since he can perceive Limbo.

-Chibaku Tensei is countered by Kakashi's Susanoo or Naruto's Avatar Clones.

-If Madara uses PS, then Avatar clones and Kakashi's PS fight it. If Kamui Shuriken land Madara would get warped away along with his susanoo, and considering he'll have multiple Kurama Avatars to deal with, the chances of him getting hit are high.

-If Naruto tries to use his final attack from VoTE, then Kakashi covers for him while he gathers Nature Energy and they nuke Madara. If Madara retaliates with Quad Juubidama, then everyone gets blown up, but Kakashi phases through it and finishes off the immortal, but very very weakened Madara by warping him away to the Kamui Dimension. Or Kakashi and Naruto go to the other dimension to escape the attack and then they come back to rip the Bijuu out of the weakened Madara.

How can the last bsm naruto avatar be enough to nearly beat DR JJ Madara
He should still be much much weaker to his RSM form
Why are you assuming that this is BSM Naruto? OP never made any restriction. This is Hokage Naruto w/ The Last battle sense. Basically Hokage Naruto who isn't rusty.
 

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-Limbo can't take Susanoo out, or even scratch it.

-Naruto isn't going to sit there and let Limbo take out Kakashi.

-The rest of the Hokage don't matter, except maybe Tobirama and Minato, but they are all safe inside Naruto or Kakashi's Avatar since Limbo can't break through. They'll be safer in Naruto's since he can perceive Limbo.

-Chibaku Tensei is countered by Kakashi's Susanoo or Naruto's Avatar Clones.

-If Madara uses PS, then Avatar clones and Kakashi's PS fight it. If Kamui Shuriken land Madara would get warped away along with his susanoo, and considering he'll have multiple Kurama Avatars to deal with, the chances of him getting hit are high.

-If Naruto tries to use his final attack from VoTE, then Kakashi covers for him while he gathers Nature Energy and they nuke Madara. If Madara retaliates with Quad Juubidama, then everyone gets blown up, but Kakashi phases through it and finishes off the immortal, but very very weakened Madara by warping him away to the Kamui Dimension. Or Kakashi and Naruto go to the other dimension to escape the attack and then they come back to rip the Bijuu out of the weakened Madara.



Why are you assuming that this is BSM Naruto? OP never made any restriction. This is Hokage Naruto w/ The Last battle sense. Basically Hokage Naruto who isn't rusty.
4 limbo susanoos stfu
 

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WAs gonna say neg by IT, since no Sasuke to save with his PS.. but even after they have no reasonable chance against MAdara who isn't restricted by the storyline into standing still.
 

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-Limbo can't take Susanoo out, or even scratch it.

-Naruto isn't going to sit there and let Limbo take out Kakashi.

-The rest of the Hokage don't matter, except maybe Tobirama and Minato, but they are all safe inside Naruto or Kakashi's Avatar since Limbo can't break through. They'll be safer in Naruto's since he can perceive Limbo.

-Chibaku Tensei is countered by Kakashi's Susanoo or Naruto's Avatar Clones.

-If Madara uses PS, then Avatar clones and Kakashi's PS fight it. If Kamui Shuriken land Madara would get warped away along with his susanoo, and considering he'll have multiple Kurama Avatars to deal with, the chances of him getting hit are high.

-If Naruto tries to use his final attack from VoTE, then Kakashi covers for him while he gathers Nature Energy and they nuke Madara. If Madara retaliates with Quad Juubidama, then everyone gets blown up, but Kakashi phases through it and finishes off the immortal, but very very weakened Madara by warping him away to the Kamui Dimension. Or Kakashi and Naruto go to the other dimension to escape the attack and then they come back to rip the Bijuu out of the weakened Madara.



Why are you assuming that this is BSM Naruto? OP never made any restriction. This is Hokage Naruto w/ The Last battle sense. Basically Hokage Naruto who isn't rusty.
i doubt madara would get the distracted the way you say he would, It would probably be the opposite, naruto would probably be distracted trying to constantly save other hokages.

kurama avatars can be dealt with by wood style susano clones, his edo form was shown to make 25, im assuming madara's powered up form with IT chakra can make more than that, and more powerful than the ones the kage faced. I'm not going to say they can use PS, since he used the clones before he showcased PS, so we will never know, but again i dont see why not.

naruto also has to constantly deal with limbo clones, who can use PS, original madara spamming Giant chibaku tensei's, multiple juubi branches firing off multiple juubi tbbs, how much can naruto handle? and how much can kakashi keep his susano up before feinting of exhaustion?

the original madara will be so powered up i don't see anything even damaging him, any incoming kamui attacks can simply be shinra tensei'd so they wont even get close to madara, If madara even allows a kurama avatar to gather natural energy enough for a final vote 2 attack, madara can easily dodge it, powered up PS tank it, blow it out before it reaches him with shinra tensei. he could send a limbo to take the damage.


and whos the so say he can't look up on the moon and activate another moon shine infinite tsukuyomi and just instantly 1 shot everybody?

of course, since OP said no restrictions im giving madara hypothetical feats, and feats he showcased before becoming JJ.
 

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i doubt madara would get the distracted the way you say he would, It would probably be the opposite, naruto would probably be distracted trying to constantly save other hokages.

kurama avatars can be dealt with by wood style susano clones, his edo form was shown to make 25, im assuming madara's powered up form with IT chakra can make more than that, and more powerful than the ones the kage faced. I'm not going to say they can use PS, since he used the clones before he showcased PS, so we will never know, but again i dont see why not.

naruto also has to constantly deal with limbo clones, who can use PS, original madara spamming Giant chibaku tensei's, multiple juubi branches firing off multiple juubi tbbs, how much can naruto handle? and how much can kakashi keep his susano up before feinting of exhaustion?

the original madara will be so powered up i don't see anything even damaging him, any incoming kamui attacks can simply be shinra tensei'd so they wont even get close to madara, If madara even allows a kurama avatar to gather natural energy enough for a final vote 2 attack, madara can easily dodge it, powered up PS tank it, blow it out before it reaches him with shinra tensei. he could send a limbo to take the damage.


and whos the so say he can't look up on the moon and activate another moon shine infinite tsukuyomi and just instantly 1 shot everybody?

of course, since OP said no restrictions im giving madara hypothetical feats, and feats he showcased before becoming JJ.
There is no need to save them when they'd be right next to him in his Avatar. He has no reason to be distracted. On the other hand, Madara has to fight off 4 Kurama Avatars and 1 Perfect Susanoo from Kakashi.

His Mokuton Clones aren't doing anything here as they can't use PS. Getting more chakra doesn't automatically mean he can do so when his techniques are also much much stronger than they were before, thus more chakra is required. If he couldn't use 25 PS w/ Mokuton Clones when he was an Edo, then he's not going to do it with the Juubi, not when his techs also increase in scale and power with the Juubi boost. 1 Bijuu Dama and his clones are wrecked.

Limbo can't use Jutsu. Never shown. Never stated. Never hinted. Madara can't use multiple Juubidama trees at once nor can he do that and use Chibaku Tensei at once. Madara isn't dodging when he had trouble evading YRS from a weaker Naruto. He isn't tanking when his PS is not on the level of Bijuu Susanoo. Naruto can detonate his FRS at command, so Shinra Tensei isn't going to work, not to mention it'd only repel it, so it'd still hit something, explode and take Madara out. Limbo tanking it doesn't even make sense since it covers the whole battlefield.

No reason to believe he can cast IT once it's been activated. That's like saying a Pokemon can use Sunny Day twice despite it already being active. Not how it works.
 

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Limbo can't use Jutsu. Never shown. Never stated. Never hinted.
So how did Madara immobilize Sasuke in the air before he stabbed him? He couldn't move a single part of his body. One Limbo clone held all his limbs? I doubt it. I think it was a Susanoo hand used by a Limbo. I didn't even read your whole post, just skimmed through and saw this, not getting into the debate but I am curious about this line you said.
 
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So how did Madara immobilize Sasuke in the air before he stabbed him? He couldn't move a single part of his body. One Limbo clone held all his limbs? I doubt it. I think it was a Susanoo hand used by a Limbo. I didn't even read your whole post, just skimmed through and saw this, not getting into the debate but I am curious about this line you said.
Limbo holding his arms in mid air is enough to immobilize him. You don't even know if his whole body was immobilized as the only parts he'd even bother to move are his arms.

A Susanoo hand doesn't even make sense. If Susanoo was holding him, his posture would be like . It looked nothing like Danzo's.
 

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Limbo holding his arms in mid air is enough to immobilize him. You don't even know if his whole body was immobilized as the only parts he'd even bother to move are his arms.

A Susanoo hand doesn't even make sense. If Susanoo was holding him, his posture would be like . It looked nothing like Danzo's.
What makes no sense is him only trying to move his arms. You really believe in that situation all he tried to do was move his arms? Like not even think to block or deflect the sword with his legs? If he felt something (limbo clone) grab his arms wouldn't first response be to move his legs? His head? Or any thing? He just went "welp can't pick my sword back up GG I'm dead"?

When has having no use of arms ever stopped someone from moving completely? If we ask Orochimaru, Minato, Zabuza, Deidara, etc I think they'll say it doesn't.

The way it's drawn is like all his limbs were immobilized from the stiff symbols around his body.

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Oh well, don't want to jump into your debate was only interested in that one point. Don't want to get into anything lengthy here either because I'm on a phone. Agree to disagree, for now at least?
 

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What makes no sense is him only trying to move his arms. You really believe in that situation all he tried to do was move his arms? Like not even think to block or deflect the sword with his legs? If he felt something (limbo clone) grab his arms wouldn't first response be to move his legs? His head? Or any thing? He just went "welp can't pick my sword back up GG I'm dead"?

When has having no use of arms ever stopped someone from moving completely? If we ask Orochimaru, Minato, Zabuza, Deidara, etc I think they'll say it doesn't.

The way it's drawn is like all his limbs were immobilized from the stiff symbols around his body.

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Oh well, don't want to jump into your debate was only interested in that one point. Don't want to get into anything lengthy here either because I'm on a phone. Agree to disagree, for now at least?
You definitely have a point here, but there's no way that it was a Susanoo Hand. But yeah, agree to disagree, for now.
 

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Limbo can most probably fly, so putting Sasuke in a full nelson lock could be a genuine explanation. Otherwise he'd never have touched all 9 Bijuus, when some of them can fly ie Chomei. Not to mention he got hit pretty high up, so there's no way Limbo could've done that from the ground.
 

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Limbo can most probably fly, so putting Sasuke in a full nelson lock could be a genuine explanation. Otherwise he'd never have touched all 9 Bijuus, when some of them can fly ie Chomei. Not to mention he got hit pretty high up, so there's no way Limbo could've done that from the ground.
His arms would have been up in a Full Nelson, no?
 
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