Hokage Hype mess

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

All I can say is NEVER try to debate with a fanboy. Nothing you say will matter. Even if you are using reason, logic, and facts.

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

We've actually seen "healthy Nagato" when he fought Hanzo and as an edo, the latter of which he appeared to have all of the abilities that were split between the 6 Peins in his own body.
I think Nagato, Kisame, and Itachi all have powers and feats (that are well known enough to not have to explain) that would rival or beat the 3rd 4th & 5th hokages..

Then you have Sasori who was the greatest puppet nin ever, both in the creation of puppets and their use. he also was able to capture the third kazekage, who, according the the wiki, was supposed to be the strongest nin in sunagakure history, and turn him into one of his puppets at age 15. & he claimed to have taken down an entire country with his performance of a 100 puppets technique, and is one of the few ninja to have a lasting impact on the ninja world via his puppet inventions; Kankuro even uses some of his personal ones.

There's Kakuzu, who is one of the very few ninja to have gained mastery over all 5 of the nature elements. he fought Hashirama and survived and continued to be relevant and fight, in life not edo, more than a century later. & it took Kakashi, Ino, Choji, Shikamaru, Sai, Sakura, Yamato, and Naruto to kill him.

Hidan, immortal, the only true immortal we've been introduced to in the series, still kicking it in that hole waiting for someone to dig him up. Killed Asuma who is Hiruzen's son with relative ease.

Deidara soloed an entire village, kage and all, low diff. Granted, Deidara used the village to his advantage, knowing that Gaara would move to protect it but still. This was also when Gaara was still a jinchuriki. He would have killed Sasuke if not for the element disadvantage, but his pride and lust to defeat someone with the eyes that itachi had led to his inevitable down fall... but it was a good show. He was also Onoki's apprentice prior to leaving the village. He had trained his eye to be immune to genjutsu, and his ultimate art technique really is enough to kill just about anyone who did not have lightning chakra nature or Obito who could use kamui to pass through it or possibly someone with a self regeneration jutsu but that's only if it could heal you as fast or faster than his microscopic bombs blew you apart at a cellular level..

There's Orochimaru if you want to count him since he was a member, no need to list his feats. Too many to do so anyway

Konan, one of Jiraiya's students, he only had 7 of them, including Naruto. & with Nagato, Yahiko who is, or at least was, presumably stronger than Nagato, and Minato being among her peers, that's got to count for something.

& Lastly, you have Zetsu & Obito. Zestu being legion lol, like 100,000 members strong, & Obito being the most hax character by far in the series right now.

Let's not forget that in pairs of 2 these guys made 6 of the 9 jinchuriki, who had full control over their bijuu modes, fodder.

The Akatsuki have quite the line up, and if they had just gone around from village to village as a collective unit, instead of breaking off into pairs, they would have been able to easily squash any resistance they were met with, short of a unified shinobi alliance like we've got now.

True, in 1v1 matches, not including Obito as he is currently or Orochimaru, only 3 members of the Akatsuki have the potential to win against any of the Hokages (save tsunade), and not all of them have had much of an impact on the naruto world in the grand scheme of things. But as an Organization, if you removed Hashirama from the mix and you pit the 2nd 3rd 4th & 5th hokages (Minato w/o Kurama's chakra) against the Akatsuki (w/o Oro & with ms Obito) I'd put my money on the Akatsuki any day of the week.

Edo Nagato isnt a "healthy Nagato."

1. He was Edo Tensei, things like pain, fatiuge, stressd dont apply like they would if he were alive.
2. Despite being Edo, he still lacked Mobility.
I dunno how you can call that healthy.

"Healthy Nagato." would be the Nagato prior to him using Gedo Mazo Cuz that is when he lost the use of his legs, AND he became physically weak.. And nobody knows hoe powerful or how much of the Rinnigan he had mastered at that point.

 

[MetalGundam]

So, Hiruzen is the God of Shinobi..AmIrite?

 

[Avinash012]

Minato is not specialized in specific field and he is also skilled in every field like all other Hokages (Exept Tsunade)
His fighting style mainly uses Speed that dosen't mean that he is not skilled in case of other jutsu it is like sayng that Itachi can't fight without Gen since he uses Gen in most of his fights...


It is not that he can't use any other jutsu just bcoz he didn't usn them...

Minato has shown better feats (Overall skill)than both Tobirama & Saru ....

 

[Sevio2]

Edo Nagato isnt a "healthy Nagato."

1. He was Edo Tensei, things like pain, fatiuge, stressd dont apply like they would if he were alive.
2. Despite being Edo, he still lacked Mobility.
I dunno how you can call that healthy.

"Healthy Nagato." would be the Nagato prior to him using Gedo Mazo Cuz that is when he lost the use of his legs, AND he became physically weak.. And nobody knows hoe powerful or how much of the Rinnigan he had mastered at that point.

I didn't consider the super human gifts given to someone in edo as limiting factors in the category of healthy...
but I totally forgot about his restricted movement you're right on that, & yeah we don't know wait he was really capable of with the rinnegan at that time.. but he had had it at that point for.. what, at least a decade? he should have been at least proficient with it.

 

[Sevio2]

Minato is not specialized in specific field and he is also skilled in every field like all other Hokages (Exept Tsunade)

It is not that he can't use any other jutsu just bcoz he didn't usn them...

Minato has shown better feats (Overall skill)than both Tobirama & Saru ....

minato is specialized in uzumaki sealing techniques I believe

 

[Avinash012]

minato is specialized in uzumaki sealing techniques I believe

That makes him overall skilled shinobi...

Ninjutsu
Taijutsu
Sealing jutsu
Genjutsu

a ninja with overall skill should be a master of any 3 of these factors IMO

 

[MetalGundam]

I've got de proofs..

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[UchihaNagashi]

You're being ridiculous.

So that Nagato will be "healthy prime Nagato" or "EDO Nagato" right? :yeah:

#DAT wank

No need. Banshô Ten'in and Ningendô turns him prime.

This is the Chakra of Hashirama. After that he beats others with Chou Shinra Tensei.

Hashirama and maybe Minato are only left. Minato's soul is pulled in by Jikogudô.

Hashirama is beaten by Banshô Ten'in and Jikogudô too.

Nagato beats them.

#BelieveInTheHype

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

No need. Banshô Ten'in and Ningendô turns him prime.

This is the Chakra of Hashirama. After that he beats others with Chou Shinra Tensei.

Hashirama and maybe Minato are only left. Minato's soul is pulled in by Jikogudô.

Hashirama is beaten by Banshô Ten'in and Jikogudô too.

Nagato beats them.

#BelieveInTheHype

He did that as an edo, and still lacked mobility. Prime you say?

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

I didn't consider the super human gifts given to someone in edo as limiting factors in the category of healthy...
but I totally forgot about his restricted movement you're right on that, & yeah we don't know wait he was really capable of with the rinnegan at that time.. but he had had it at that point for.. what, at least a decade? he should have been at least proficient with it.

I think if he had mastered it, the gedo Mazo wouldnt have done that to him. Obito summoned the Gedo mazo pretty effectively without it taking his chakra.
But one can also say that it DID in fact reduce him to a thin state, but the senju cells restore Obito?

There are too many uncertainties regarding a "Healthy Nagato" to count in a debate.

 

[Tobby17]

Minato is not specialized in specific field and he is also skilled in every field like all other Hokages (Exept Tsunade)
His fighting style mainly uses Speed that dosen't mean that he is not skilled in case of other jutsu it is like sayng that Itachi can't fight without Gen since he uses Gen in most of his fights...


It is not that he can't use any other jutsu just bcoz he didn't usn them...

Minato has shown better feats (Overall skill)than both Tobirama & Saru ....

A big NO, to that.. All Minato's fighting style revolves around FTG and FTG only.

against Obito = FTG

against Kurama = FTG (with space time barrier and what not, he was only able to seal the Kurama bcoz Kushina helped hold it down, anyway he still used a variant of FTG)

against Fourth Raikage = FTG

through out this war arc = FTG

Did you see how useless he was when he couldn't use FTG to save Naruto from the god tree??.. at least Tobirama used Suiton..

 

[Sevio2]

I think if he had mastered it, the gedo Mazo wouldnt have done that to him. Obito summoned the Gedo mazo pretty effectively without it taking his chakra.
But one can also say that it DID in fact reduce him to a thin state, but the senju cells restore Obito?

There are too many uncertainties regarding a "Healthy Nagato" to count in a debate.

fair enough, but I was only making the case that a more or less healthy nagato has appeared in the series and was not a made up character. We did see him, we didn't get to see what he could do, but he was there.

& I was using the 6 peins for nagato when I compared the akatsuki to the hokages

 

[KingHashirama]

CAN TOBIRAMA OR THE THIRD!? That would make it Minato/Tobirama/The third/Tsunade.
Don't be stupid. This is your personal opinion.

No you compared Minato to Tsunade =]. Trying to downgrade Tsunade. And Tobirama knows Genjutsu/Kenjutsu/Taijutsu/ST jutsu/ Sealings/ Water techs/ Second strongest chakra out of the Hokages...... so yea hes superior to Minato.

That makes him overall skilled shinobi...

Ninjutsu
Taijutsu
Sealing jutsu
Genjutsu

a ninja with overall skill should be a master of any 3 of these factors IMO

Sadly no, Minato's main weapon is FTG.. the very thing he was feared for. His the inferior chakra of the Hokage (all the others have feats/Hype for their chakra)

He hasn't shown any genjutsu...no Taijutsu skills...

In don't think its going that way, Hiruzn lived long enough to see the Senju brothers rule the village, so in no way might he accept being called that while witnessing Hashi's power.

So its either that Kishi trolled Hiruzen, forgot him, or that he realised he has shown how amazingly powerful Hashi is, and that in no way can he create a better ninja out of Hiruzen, so he stayed quiet.

People don't need his approval.

And Hiruzen believed it was rude to even agree with Hashirama, that someone is stronger than Hashirama...

Kishimoto gave a valid, reason you guys are simply overlooking it over and over..

 

[startup97]

All Hokages by hype can defeat all of the Akatsuki. Ever since the beginning of the series they have been always hyped since you saw their faces on the monuments as the village's past leaders and strongest. Being a Hokage is even a goal by the main character to be the strongest in the village.

 

[ShiningStar]

*ahem* I do believe that if Suigetsu was Hokage, he would be regarded as the best in all time.

 

[KingHashirama]

*ahem* I do believe that if Suigetsu was Hokage, he would be regarded as the best in all time.

Only the best get the Hokage.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

He did that as an edo, and still lacked mobility. Prime you say?

Does it stop him from doing it when alive?

Lacked mobility?