Hokage Hype mess

[KingHashirama]

- SO, Kishimoto gives us a reason of why Hiruzen was called the God of shinobi, and was said to be the strongest Hokage by some, instead of Hashirama.. Yet we completely ignore it and say "Kishimoto trolled Hiruzen", "Kishimoto took his words back", "Kisihmoto contradicted himself"... So what is the reason that Kishimoto gave us? The reason is, "Hashirama's might was so vast that any one who heard of his power believed him (his powers) to be a fairy tale.".. Hashirama's true powers weren't even considered his powers by that time. Meaning the Hashirama we know, wasn't even considered a actual figure in regards to POWER.


- Then we have the hype of Minato being a unparalleled genius, being used against someone like Hiruzen or Tobirama.. but no one bothers to think that the hype was meant for the people who existed AFTER Minato.. not BEFORE. On top of that no one bothers to look at Tobirama's hype as the best shinobi of the leaf (along with his bro). Its like "Hey you know what, I'm gonna be selective and not bother reading the so and so's hype so I can make my character into the strongest."





- Lastly Kishimoto hypes up Tsunade, ok gives her praise by Jiraiya and Orochimaru and Kabuto. The best poison maker of the series, the best medical ninjutsu user of the series, the best hand to hand combatant (according to Jiraiya). -sigh-, but sadly all that matters to dear fapboys is "fighting", the "fighting" that is dependent on a SCENARIO, that we ourselves create. Not to mention a shinobi that started a whole new system in the shinobi world (the medical ninjutsu system).


So according to their hypes and feats they have done, most of them are superior to all the Akatsuki (no "healthy" Nagato is not a Akatsuki.. it is a imaginary character you fans made). You guys can debate it all you want.. in the end it'll be your same statements and scenarios.

Also the Hokage list by the end:

1 Hashirama (Power is too vast)

2. Tobirama/Hiruzen (Trained well over all)

3. Minato/Tsunade (Specialize in specific things)

Be happy to discuss.

 

[-R-]

He (Kishi) neglected one of the strongest shinobis and trolled him. Making some fodders stronger than him and sh1t, thats pretty messed up man.

 

[foxyladyland]

Healthy Nagato was a member of Yahiko's Akatsuki. :]

Before Hiruzen became Hokage , he told every member of his squad that "HE" was the best. I think he may have included Tobirama as a member of the squad. Meaning, at that point in time, he *Hiruzen* was even stronger than Tobirama .

Tsunade has shown us her greatness by having her body severed and staying alive to help heal others while clinging to life herself. They all survived needless to say. :]

People think because of Juinton that Oonoki automatically defeats Hiruzen. Hiruzen has shadow clones that each can use RDS.
Sure Oonoki can fly , but how is he going to hit Hiruzen while he's in the air? Hiruzen can still throw shuriken at him. Lol Use his brain.

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

Not even Juubito can sense Minato's FTG.
How can Hashirama? You tied him with Tsunade...are you insane?

EDIT: Tobirama and The third are not trained overall they've show FTG and water style. The staff and shuriken.
That makes Tobirama and Minato tied by that only.

 

[KingHashirama]

Healthy Nagato was a member of Yahiko's Akatsuki. :]

Before Hiruzen became Hokage , he told every member of his squad that "HE" was the best. I think he may have included Tobirama as a member of the squad. Meaning, at that point in time, he *Hiruzen* was even stronger than Tobirama .

Tsunade has shown us her greatness by having her body severed and staying alive to help heal others while clinging to life herself. They all survived needless to say. :]

Healthy, inexperienced Nagato.. who doesn't know all the paths.. someone who is weaker than the Sanin...

Sadly, it did not include Tobirama, since Tobirama wasn't expected to stay there... Shown when everyone was surprised the the Hokage picked himself to be the bait.

Not even Juubito can sense Minato's FTG.
How can Hashirama? You tied him with Tsunade...are you insane?

Can Minato heal an Army? no.. so don't bother making this "if they can't fight, they ain't strong" BS statement.

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

Healthy, inexperienced Nagato.. who doesn't know all the paths.. someone who is weaker than the Sanin...

Sadly, it did not include Tobirama, since Tobirama wasn't expected to stay there... Shown when everyone was surprised the the Hokage picked himself to be the bait.



Can Minato heal an Army? no.. so don't bother making this "if they can't fight, they ain't strong" BS statement.

CAN TOBIRAMA OR THE THIRD!? That would make it Minato/Tobirama/The third/Tsunade.
Don't be stupid. This is your personal opinion.

 

[The Sach]

Each generation had their won powerful character who became hokage...But strength wise Hashirama was stronger than them..But was Hashirama perfect hokage?? no, he wasn't...:yeah:

 

[rollin]

kishi never said anything he just wrote the story like that other people have opinions in the manga

 

[Moe22]

I'm just waiting for some confirmation on their abilities. We saw some action from all of them last chapter maybe we will again this one. Hiruzen's weapon can cut through The Juubi Mokuton with one swing. Keep that in mind everyone.
Also, off topic. Is the staff Hiruzen's currently Monkey King Enma?

 

[The7thHokage]

In don't think its going that way, Hiruzn lived long enough to see the Senju brothers rule the village, so in no way might he accept being called that while witnessing Hashi's power.

So its either that Kishi trolled Hiruzen, forgot him, or that he realised he has shown how amazingly powerful Hashi is, and that in no way can he create a better ninja out of Hiruzen, so he stayed quiet.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Nagato beats them effortlessly 5 vs 1.

Also Hiruzen > All 4 Kages. One day the hype is proven.

#BelieveInTheHype

 

[Moe22]

Nagato beats them effortlessly 5 vs 1.

Also Hiruzen > All 4 Kages. One day the hype is proven.

#BelieveInTheHype

You're being ridiculous.

 

[foxyladyland]

I'm just waiting for some confirmation on their abilities.
Also, off topic. Is the staff Hiruzen's currently Monkey King Enma?

Everything their Edo forms can do , they could do while living. Except Minato going KCM.
yes its monkey king enma Lol

 

[Osagyefo]

Nagato beats them effortlessly 5 vs 1.

So that Nagato will be "healthy prime Nagato" or "EDO Nagato" right? :yeah:

#DAT wank

 

[foxyladyland]

In don't think its going that way, Hiruzn lived long enough to see the Senju brothers rule the village, so in no way might he accept being called that while witnessing Hashi's power.

So its either that Kishi trolled Hiruzen, forgot him, or that he realised he has shown how amazingly powerful Hashi is, and that in no way can he create a better ninja out of Hiruzen, so he stayed quiet.

HIruzen was called the God of Shinobi of his generation. He was trained by the God of Shinobi Hashirama and his brother Tobirama so following in their footsteps would seem likely ? idk u_u but no one from the generations proceeding Hiruzen's reign called him the God of Shinobi, so it definitely wasn't while the 2nd Hokage was alive.

Especially since Hashirama's powers were considered a fairy tale, Hiruzen's were a little more believable since people had actually seen him.. We saw how shocked Tsunade was at seeing Perfect Susano'o and even Oonoki (from Hiruzen's time) couldn't believe the kind of power Madara had considering he hadn't needed it for their first encounter while Oonoki was still a runt.

 

[H a n]

Hmm.. Is kind of messed up bringing him back at such an age.

 

[Xāvî1]

HIruzen was called the God of Shinobi of his generation. He was trained by the God of Shinobi Hashirama and his brother Tobirama so following in their footsteps would seem likely ? idk u_u but no one from the generations proceeding Hiruzen's reign called him the God of Shinobi, so it definitely wasn't while the 2nd Hokage was alive.

Especially since Hashirama's powers were considered a fairy tale, Hiruzen's were a little more believable since people had actually seen him.. We saw how shocked Tsunade was at seeing Perfect Susano'o and even Oonoki (from Hiruzen's time) couldn't believe the kind of power Madara had considering he hadn't needed it for their first encounter while Oonoki was still a runt.

Hiruzen wasn't called god of shinobi that would be mr. hashirama. but instead hiruzen was called god of jutsus.

 

[The Grand Pubba]

- SO, Kishimoto gives us a reason of why Hiruzen was called the God of shinobi, and was said to be the strongest Hokage by some, instead of Hashirama.. Yet we completely ignore it and say "Kishimoto trolled Hiruzen", "Kishimoto took his words back", "Kisihmoto contradicted himself"... So what is the reason that Kishimoto gave us? The reason is, "Hashirama's might was so vast that any one who heard of his power believed him (his powers) to be a fairy tale.".. Hashirama's true powers weren't even considered his powers by that time. Meaning the Hashirama we know, wasn't even considered a actual figure in regards to POWER.


- Then we have the hype of Minato being a unparalleled genius, being used against someone like Hiruzen or Tobirama.. but no one bothers to think that the hype was meant for the people who existed AFTER Minato.. not BEFORE. On top of that no one bothers to look at Tobirama's hype as the best shinobi of the leaf (along with his bro). Its like "Hey you know what, I'm gonna be selective and not bother reading the so and so's hype so I can make my character into the strongest."





- Lastly Kishimoto hypes up Tsunade, ok gives her praise by Jiraiya and Orochimaru and Kabuto. The best poison maker of the series, the best medical ninjutsu user of the series, the best hand to hand combatant (according to Jiraiya). -sigh-, but sadly all that matters to dear fapboys is "fighting", the "fighting" that is dependent on a SCENARIO, that we ourselves create. Not to mention a shinobi that started a whole new system in the shinobi world (the medical ninjutsu system).


So according to their hypes and feats they have done, most of them are superior to all the Akatsuki (no "healthy" Nagato is not a Akatsuki.. it is a imaginary character you fans made). You guys can debate it all you want.. in the end it'll be your same statements and scenarios.

Also the Hokage list by the end:

1 Hashirama (Power is too vast)

2. Tobirama/Hiruzen (Trained well over all)

3. Minato/Tsunade (Specialize in specific things)

Be happy to discuss.

About Hashirama's might being a myth so people didnt know that he was that strong is sort of invalid. It has been stated by in databooks which are written by KISHIMOTO himself that he(Hiruzen) is the strongest. He knew how strong Hashi was. Its not like he didnt kno hashis true strength. The myth is valid for characters in the manga that said he was the strongest and didnt know Hashiramas true strength. That makes sense but that logic does not work when considering that it has been said in the data books.

Also there is one way to end this, Kishimoto just needs to say that Hashi is the strongest Hokage like he did for Hiruzen. Or that he is the strongest individiaul ther when he was revived but that did not happen and it has not happened yet. If Kishi truly did believe that what is stopping him for saying that. He gave the title of god of Shibobi to Hashirama as well y not say he is the strongest if he indeed is. Reason: He is not the strongest. Till is it said by someone of importance, lile the hokages or Orochimaru not fodders that Hashi > Hiruzen then we go with what has been siad. Hiruzen > other Hokage for now.

Also Minato > Tobirama. Tobirama said himself that Minato is better at the FTG than him and he is faster than him. MInato can do everything the 2nd can do (minus water style ) a little better.

 

[Tobby17]

Also Minato > Tobirama. Tobirama said himself that Minato is better at the FTG than him and he is faster than him. MInato can do everything the 2nd can do (minus water style ) a little better.

better at FTG doesn't make him better than Tobirama..

 

[Sevio2]

- So according to their hypes and feats they have done, most of them are superior to all the Akatsuki (no "healthy" Nagato is not a Akatsuki.. it is a imaginary character you fans made). You guys can debate it all you want.. in the end it'll be your same statements and scenarios.

We've actually seen "healthy Nagato" when he fought Hanzo and as an edo, the latter of which he appeared to have all of the abilities that were split between the 6 Peins in his own body.
I think Nagato, Kisame, and Itachi all have powers and feats (that are well known enough to not have to explain) that would rival or beat the 3rd 4th & 5th hokages..

Then you have Sasori who was the greatest puppet nin ever, both in the creation of puppets and their use. he also was able to capture the third kazekage, who, according the the wiki, was supposed to be the strongest nin in sunagakure history, and turn him into one of his puppets at age 15. & he claimed to have taken down an entire country with his performance of a 100 puppets technique, and is one of the few ninja to have a lasting impact on the ninja world via his puppet inventions; Kankuro even uses some of his personal ones.

There's Kakuzu, who is one of the very few ninja to have gained mastery over all 5 of the nature elements. he fought Hashirama and survived and continued to be relevant and fight, in life not edo, more than a century later. & it took Kakashi, Ino, Choji, Shikamaru, Sai, Sakura, Yamato, and Naruto to kill him.

Hidan, immortal, the only true immortal we've been introduced to in the series, still kicking it in that hole waiting for someone to dig him up. Killed Asuma who is Hiruzen's son with relative ease.

Deidara soloed an entire village, kage and all, low diff. Granted, Deidara used the village to his advantage, knowing that Gaara would move to protect it but still. This was also when Gaara was still a jinchuriki. He would have killed Sasuke if not for the element disadvantage, but his pride and lust to defeat someone with the eyes that itachi had led to his inevitable down fall... but it was a good show. He was also Onoki's apprentice prior to leaving the village. He had trained his eye to be immune to genjutsu, and his ultimate art technique really is enough to kill just about anyone who did not have lightning chakra nature or Obito who could use kamui to pass through it or possibly someone with a self regeneration jutsu but that's only if it could heal you as fast or faster than his microscopic bombs blew you apart at a cellular level..

There's Orochimaru if you want to count him since he was a member, no need to list his feats. Too many to do so anyway

Konan, one of Jiraiya's students, he only had 7 of them, including Naruto. & with Nagato, Yahiko who is, or at least was, presumably stronger than Nagato, and Minato being among her peers, that's got to count for something.

& Lastly, you have Zetsu & Obito. Zestu being legion lol, like 100,000 members strong, & Obito being the most hax character by far in the series right now.

Let's not forget that in pairs of 2 these guys made 6 of the 9 jinchuriki, who had full control over their bijuu modes, fodder.

The Akatsuki have quite the line up, and if they had just gone around from village to village as a collective unit, instead of breaking off into pairs, they would have been able to easily squash any resistance they were met with, short of a unified shinobi alliance like we've got now.

True, in 1v1 matches, not including Obito as he is currently or Orochimaru, only 3 members of the Akatsuki have the potential to win against any of the Hokages (save tsunade), and not all of them have had much of an impact on the naruto world in the grand scheme of things. But as an Organization, if you removed Hashirama from the mix and you pit the 2nd 3rd 4th & 5th hokages (Minato w/o Kurama's chakra) against the Akatsuki (w/o Oro & with ms Obito) I'd put my money on the Akatsuki any day of the week.