Hisoka v. Chrollo

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Aye aye aye now nigguh. Feitan is the dopest of the troupe. If he's overrated, it's because Pain Packer is OP as shit. Not to mention his speed feats are >>>>> Everyone in the troupe.

Feitan >> The Troupe

Just look at him, obviously the strongest.

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Man I don't want a draw, that's weak. This is a fight to the death and Togashi is no *****.
Someone is going to die, period. I'll be pissed if anyone dares to interrupt this fight.
 

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This is what I'm talking about. The character's demeanor doesn't mean he's toying with everybody or not taking the battles seriously, that attitude is just his nature. This is also coming from the guy that was crazy enough to think Ging would be a nice fighting toy for his collection. Even Pariston admits that Ging is somewhat of a threat to him, and I would dare not say that Hisoka can handle guys of their caliber. Right now going by the results, Chrollo is picking Hisoka apart and when close calls happens history shows that he usually comes out unscathed (chrollo vs zoldack grandfather and father)
Im not overrating Hisoka, I just don't think he's serious atm.

Different people have different standpoints and thats ok.

no i completely agree i definitely think hisoka has something else up his sleeve and something good too but at the end of the day chrollos ability is literally having a bunch of abilities lol and i just feel like his whole running from this fight in the past was to collect the perfect ability against hisoka on top of whatever his actual trump card is
Very possible.
 

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Hisoka is the second most overrated character in HxH because we have this false perception of whenever he smiling in danger, it means he's "holding back." Now with that out of the way I will say that the stimulance in pervert excitement anytime he was pushed against the wall will make Hisoka more vigilant and sharp against Chrollo. Still, I think Chrollo wins this one because he's patient with people like Hisoke.
Why would you call it a false perception when every time it's been shown to be so?
 

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Im not overrating Hisoka, I just don't think he's serious atm.

Different people have different standpoints and thats ok.
I'm not saying you are specifically, I'm just saying people in general. I know you have an opinion as much as I do but do you have a physical reason on how? Something besides his demeanor because that's not a legit reason if we go by every character in this series.
Why would you call it a false perception when every time it's been shown to be so?
It doesn't happen everytime and statement like these is what overrates him. He can have his head severed dead while smiling and you'll still think he win somehow.
Aye aye aye now nigguh. Feitan is the dopest of the troupe. If he's overrated, it's because Pain Packer is OP as shit. Not to mention his speed feats are >>>>> Everyone in the troupe.

Feitan >> The Troupe

Just look at him, obviously the strongest.

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I hope you're joking right?
 
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I'm not saying you are specifically, I'm just saying people in general. I know you have an opinion as much as I do but do you have a physical reason on how? Something besides his demeanor because that's not a legit reason if we go by every character in this series.

It doesn't happen everytime and statement like these is what overrates him. He can have his head severed dead while smiling and you'll still think he win somehow.

I hope you're joking right?
That's a hypothetical situation name or show an instance in the manga where he was shown smiling then not won.
 

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I'm not saying you are specifically, I'm just saying people in general. I know you have an opinion as much as I do but do you have a physical reason on how? Something besides his demeanor because that's not a legit reason if we go by every character in this series.

It doesn't happen everytime and statement like these is what overrates him. He can have his head severed dead while smiling and you'll still think he win somehow.

I hope you're joking right?
Why do you think the troupe runs away when Feitan uses Rising Sun? :lol
 

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That's a hypothetical situation name or show an instance in the manga where he was shown smiling then not won.
He smiled and fathomed fighting Ging, Illumni, and I'm sure Pariston (idk). He ended up not fighting them and he lived to see another day. Somebody smiling is baseless, that's not a feat.
Why do you think the troupe runs away when Feitan uses Rising Sun? :lol
And there's the overhyped move I was referring to. Why, you're not gonna run away from the cross-fire that is not your battle? Even I know people like Hisoka and Chrollo would destroy Feitan.
 
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He smiled and fathomed fighting Ging, Illumni, and I'm sure Pariston (idk). He ended up not fighting them and he lived to see another day. Somebody smiling is baseless, that's not a feat.

And there's the overhyped move I was referring to. Why, you're not gonna run away from the cross-fire that is not your battle? Even I know people like Hisoka and Chrollo would destroy Feitan.
Hisoka? Beating Feitan? Based on what? Really what?

Feitan is the fastest Troupe Member. FACT.
Hisoka's techniques aren't oneshot techniques - Plus the fact that he plays with his opponents - FACT.
Pain Packer one shots if Hisoka can even get close to the damage Zazan did to Feitan - FACT.

Chrollo vs Feitan, Feitan would win as well. Tell me what Chrollo has to put down Feitan when Feitan only gets stronger with more pain?

Oh God, and not to mention, Feitan was RUSTY AS HELL, even his fellow troupe members said so, and yet he utterly DESTROYED Zazan.

Lol, the troupe members almost got destroyed when first trying to watch Feitan's Rising Sun.. And run away? You're not avoiding that from point blank range - FACT. If Phinks hadn't warning Kalluto, and they'd hadn't gotten a head start, they all would have been dead. FACT.
 

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He smiled and fathomed fighting Ging, Illumni, and I'm sure Pariston (idk). He ended up not fighting them and he lived to see another day. Somebody smiling is baseless, that's not a feat.

And there's the overhyped move I was referring to. Why, you're not gonna run away from the cross-fire that is not your battle? Even I know people like Hisoka and Chrollo would destroy Feitan.
He's smiling in the midst of combat that's not the same as smiling at the thought of combat. Nothing indicates he couldn't beat Illumi, he even put him in check when he was thinking of taking out Gon before he reached Killua. He wouldn't beat Ging or Pariston and I don't recall him doing that smiling about fighting them you mention do you have the scan? I can't think of a time besides GI that Ging was even brought up in conversation around Hisoka let alone being near him and in GI he didn't show interest in fighting Ging.
 
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Hisoka? Beating Feitan? Based on what? Really what?

Feitan is the fastest Troupe Member. FACT.
Hisoka's techniques aren't oneshot techniques - Plus the fact that he plays with his opponents - FACT.
Pain Packer one shots if Hisoka can even get close to the damage Zazan did to Feitan - FACT.

Chrollo vs Feitan, Feitan would win as well. Tell me what Chrollo has to put down Feitan when Feitan only gets stronger with more pain?

Oh God, and not to mention, Feitan was RUSTY AS HELL, even his fellow troupe members said so, and yet he utterly DESTROYED Zazan.

Lol, the troupe members almost got destroyed when first trying to watch Feitan's Rising Sun.. And run away? You're not avoiding that from point blank range - FACT. If Phinks hadn't warning Kalluto, and they'd hadn't gotten a head start, they all would have been dead. FACT.
Man once you wank you wank hard. We don't even know all of Chrollo's abilitys, yet you assume he can beat the person he respects.
 

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Why do you think the troupe runs away when Feitan uses Rising Sun? :lol
He smiled and fathomed fighting Ging, Illumni, and I'm sure Pariston (idk). He ended up not fighting them and he lived to see another day. Somebody smiling is baseless, that's not a feat.

And there's the overhyped move I was referring to. Why, you're not gonna run away from the cross-fire that is not your battle? Even I know people like Hisoka and Chrollo would destroy Feitan.
Man once you wank you wank hard. We don't even know all of Chrollo's abilitys, yet you assume he can beat the person he respects.
I think we call all agree that Feitan's rising sun is op, and he said it wasn't even at full power.

That doesn't mean he easily beats someone though, I mean I doubt anyone could stand there and survive it under normal circumstances but Hisoka & Chrollo can make distance. That's apparently all that's necessary to overcome the move, create distance, evade the attack.

Chrollo probably has some haxxed defensive move though. Anyway I think Feitan is atleast at Hisoka's level, probably slightly under him.

Regarding to Feitan vs the troupe. I think he could beat the rest of the troupe(bar Chrollo & Hisoka) very easily in a one v one. Possibly in 2 manned cells as well, as for all of them vs Feitan at once -- I doubt Feitan could win, at best probably uses Rising Sun at its highest level and suicides himself. It probably doesn't even work like that just speculation though.

I wouldn't say Im necessarily overrating Feitan I'm just going off of what we were given.
 

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Man once you wank you wank hard. We don't even know all of Chrollo's abilitys, yet you assume he can beat the person he respects.
You're the one wanking a character who hasn't shown anything to > Feitan.

Foh bruh.

Respect doesn't mean you're stronger fyi.
I think we call all agree that Feitan's rising sun is op, and he said it wasn't even at full power.

That doesn't mean he easily beats someone though, I mean I doubt anyone could stand there and survive it under normal circumstances but Hisoka & Chrollo can make distance. That's apparently all that's necessary to overcome the move, create distance, evade the attack.

Chrollo probably has some haxxed defensive move though. Anyway I think Feitan is atleast at Hisoka's level, probably slightly under him.

Regarding to Feitan vs the troupe. I think he could beat the rest of the troupe(bar Chrollo & Hisoka) very easily in a one v one. Possibly in 2 manned cells as well, as for all of them vs Feitan at once -- I doubt Feitan could win, at best probably uses Rising Sun at its highest level and suicides himself. It probably doesn't even work like that just speculation though.

I wouldn't say Im necessarily overrating Feitan I'm just going off of what we were given.
Feat wise, Feitan > All the Troupe members facts fam.
 

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You're the one wanking a character who hasn't shown anything to > Feitan.

Foh bruh.

Respect doesn't mean you're stronger fyi.

Feat wise, Feitan > All the Troupe members facts fam.
Feats are subjective when they all know how to survive the attack.

I get what you're saying but you also must take into account that the troupe members have seen the move before.
 

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You're the one wanking a character who hasn't shown anything to > Feitan.

Foh bruh.
Don't even like Chrollo, nice strawman though. Like I said your making a point based on a fallacy. You don't even know all of Chrollo's abilities so even understand how you say this. Based off your logic, I could say Feitan > Ging based on Ging's lack of feats
 

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You're the one wanking a character who hasn't shown anything to > Feitan.

Foh bruh.

Respect doesn't mean you're stronger fyi.

Feat wise, Feitan > All the Troupe members facts fam.
Bruh chrollo fought both killua father and the older one ... That's better then anything faiten has put out

Hisoka with all of his feats is above him as well
 

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He's smiling in the midst of combat that's not the same as smiling at the thought of combat. Nothing indicates he couldn't beat Illumi, he even put him in check when he was thinking of taking out Gon before he reached Killua. He wouldn't beat Ging or Pariston and I don't recall him doing that smiling about fighting them you mention do you have the scan? I can't think of a time besides GI that Ging was even brought up in conversation around Hisoka let alone being near him and in GI he didn't show interest in fighting Ging.
Illumni was the one that put Hisoka in his place with just a mere thought of touching his brother.
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So there is no way that Hisoka is walking right through Illumni, unlike Hisoka he actually knows which people are out of his league. Hisoka was talking about fighting the twelve zodiacs during the vote to be chairman. Do you actually think his fantasy of taking them out is remotely true? He smiles just by thinking about it, that doesn't mean he would stand a chance.
And he did wanted to see Ging, in fact he was measuring all the zodiacs to fight
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And it's day three, Chrollo is still winning without even being touched right now.
 

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Illumni was the one that put Hisoka in his place with just a mere thought of touching his brother.
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So there is no way that Hisoka is walking right through Illumni, unlike Hisoka he actually knows which people are out of his league. Hisoka was talking about fighting the twelve zodiacs during the vote to be chairman. Do you actually think his fantasy of taking them out is remotely true? He smiles just by thinking about it, that doesn't mean he would stand a chance.
And he did wanted to see Ging, in fact he was measuring all the zodiacs to fight
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And it's day three, Chrollo is still winning without even being touched right now.
Winning how exactly? The author made the point to mention the hits landed so far have been superficial. He has the upper hand tactic wise currently but according to the manga he hasn't made much progress towards winning the fight yet.
 

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Winning how exactly? The author made the point to mention the hits landed so far have been superficial. He has the upper hand tactic wise currently but according to the manga he hasn't made much progress towards winning the fight yet.
No that's Chrollo. Chrollo calculated and seen through everyone of Hisoka's moves without taking a pause to access the situation.
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Chrollo completely baffled him. He had him all figured out from the beginning. The only thing Hisoka has on Chrollo really is physical strength, other than that he's got him beat.
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