Hiruzen's physical art, illsuion, sword art, holy folk and more.

[Rikudou Tobi]

I decided to skim through the manga and look up some things that could Hiruzen is canonically able to do besides the ones he's shown in the manga. Since I debunked the whole secret arts business (because it requires special chakra unique to each individual clans to use) I feel responsible for looking for possible and canon claimed feats that Hiruzen can use. The bonus is a wild theory of mine.

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Physical art
Konoha hurricane:

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Shadow of the dancing leaf (wind tossed leaf):

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Konoha clan physical art (no secret arts)
Akimichi clan physical art
Human juggernaut:

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Konoha sword art

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Unnamed ninjutsu of the leaf

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This is special because you hide as a shadow on top of solid objects, this art is very similar to the

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In theory this unnamed shadow hiding ninjutsu could possibly be used in the art of paralysis. In which it is heavily influenced by the

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Konoha Illusions art
Unnamed paralysis illusion used by both Orochi and anbus and possibly during the Orochi vs. Hiruzen struggle which resulted in the tiles cracking:

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Bonus: SAGE ART
This is a wild theory but it’s a high possibility that Asuma and Hiruzen may have Sage mode.
In chapter 314 it is revealed that all the ninja monks of the fire temple have the power called Gift Of The Holy Folk

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The databook described their iron temple that monks use is composed of unique chakra which is Sage chakra. The Sage Chakra that they are using is called Gift of the Sage or in simple words Sage Gift.

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Now Asuma is one of those monks because as Kakazu said that the emblem on their waistcloth is proof of having this power in which Asuma also have:

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Asuma did say that he did leave the Leaf for him to learn this power but there is a possibility that Hiruzen picked up this power because not only is he Asuma’s father but he also is said to be the strongest of the Sarutobi clan and knew all existing Konoha jutsus in the leaf (not secret arts). Since the Fire Temple is part of the leaf or Fire country more accurately, there’s a possibility that Hiruzen picked it up.

 

[Calpal]

Actually a neat bonus theory, fun read.

Being the hokages son, do you think he knew those taijutsu and kenjutsu styles along w other secret techniques?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Actually a neat bonus theory, fun read.

Being the hokages son, do you think he knew those taijutsu and kenjutsu styles along w other secret techniques?

Yeah a lot of it makes sense. And explains his fighting style against Orochimaru, Enma the same.

But I do not believe he has the secret art. He can use paralysis and use juggernaut but he can't use expansion jutsu part or shadow possession because those require special semi substance chakra.

 

[Calpal]

Yeah a lot of it makes sense. And explains his fighting style against Orochimaru, Enma the same.

But I do not believe he has the secret art. He can use paralysis and use juggernaut but he can't use expansion jutsu part or shadow possession because those require special semi substance chakra.

Man this thread just heated me up about both of their deaths

i call bullshit lol

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Man this thread just heated me up about both of their deaths

i call bullshit lol

I didn't understand why they held him back so much, I can only assume that it's because of his age that he wasn't able to use much stamina to preform incredible feats like that.
They called him the professor in part 1 as they did in part 2 including the 4th databook. Called him shonobi god just like they did Hashirama, so it's not like Hiruzen was reconned or anything.
So it's up to Konohamaru now.

 

[Yahcob13]

Asuma was best friends with one of the sages at the fire temple maybe that’s the connection. That unamed jutsu is probably cloak of invisibility.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Asuma was best friends with one of the sages at the fire temple maybe that’s the connection. That unamed jutsu is probably cloak of invisibility.

He's on of them (the monks). Or at least he used to.

 

[minamoto]

Actually a neat bonus theory, fun read.

Being the hokages son, do you think he knew those taijutsu and kenjutsu styles along w other secret techniques?

Palcal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ..

 

[startup98]

Good stuff mate.

 

[To Whatever]

Neutralizer

 

[Uverdore9]

This is a pretty good theory, I appreciate that.

 

[Alchemy9167]

Bonus: SAGE ART
This is a wild theory but it’s a high possibility that Asuma and Hiruzen may have Sage mode.
In chapter 314 it is revealed that all the ninja monks of the fire temple have the power called Gift Of The Holy Folk

Now Asuma is one of those monks because as Kakazu said that the emblem on their waistcloth is proof of having this power in which Asuma also have:

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Asuma did say that he did leave the Leaf for him to learn this power.

Sorry but this theory makes no sense. Asuma wasn't a monk and the emblem on their waistcloth signifies they were part of the 12 shinobi guardsmen, nothing to do with the gift of the sages.

Also, Asuma left the leaf to be one of the guardsmen not learn the gift of the sages.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Sorry but this theory makes no sense. Asuma wasn't a monk and the emblem on their waistcloth signifies they were part of the 12 shinobi guardsmen, nothing to do with the gift of the sages.

If you read the manga on what Kakazu said is that the 12 guardians who are ninja monks have a unique power to use Holy Gift Folk and their wastecloth is proof. So it makes perfect sense, I already told you what chapter it is.

Also, Asuma left the leaf to be one of the guardsmen not learn the gift of the sages.

Never said his reason for leaving and it was not to learn the Sage gift either. He just happen to learn it on his journey.

 

[Alchemy9167]

If you read the manga on what Kakazu said is that the 12 guardians who are ninja monks have a unique power to use Holy Gift Folk and their wastecloth is proof. So it makes perfect sense, I already told you what chapter it is.

Never said his reason for leaving and it was not to learn the Sage gift either. He just happen to learn it on his journey.

Wrong, first Kakazu said the monks have the unique power that you are referring to. Then he said Chiriku was particularly dangerous for having been one of the 12 guardsmen and that proof of that was on his cloth.

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The cloth symbolizes that you were a guardsmen not a monk with those unique powers. Chiriku is the only known monk to have been a guardian.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Wrong, first Kakazu said the monks have the unique power that you are referring to. Then he said Chiriku was particularly dangerous for having been one of the 12 guardsmen and that proof of that was on his cloth.

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The cloth symbolizes that you were a guardsmen not a monk with those unique powers. Chiriku is the only known monk to have been a guardian.

And I'm telling you that they are one of the same. The twelve guardians came from the ninja monks of the Fire Temple hence Chiriku. They're not 12 random shinobis.

 

[Alchemy9167]

And I'm telling you that they are one of the same. The twelve guardians came from the ninja monks of the Fire Temple hence Chiriku. They're not 12 random shinobis

And I'm telling you that is not stated nor implied anywhere. Kakazu singled out Chiriku as the only monk in the temple to have been a guardian. Asuma did the same thing

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They don't pick 12 random people they pick people with potential and not just monks .

 

[EliteKakashi]

I didn't understand why they held him back so much, I can only assume that it's because of his age that he wasn't able to use much stamina to preform incredible feats like that.
They called him the professor in part 1 as they did in part 2 including the 4th databook. Called him shonobi god just like they did Hashirama, so it's not like Hiruzen was reconned or anything.
So it's up to Konohamaru now.

More than his age, he himself just didn't want to fight Orochimaru and his two teachers, still being held back some by his love for him. Even Enma comments during the fight that Hiruzen isn't himself after he(he being Enma) has to go out of his way to save Hiruzen. After that, Hiruzen decides to just end it with Shiki Fujin just to get rid of Orochimaru for good, and if you notice when he does that he quickly dispatches of both Edo Hokages despite having no sight and then nearly kills Oro as well.

In Part 1 Hiruzen was supposed to be one of the strongest ninja ever. It was retconned, but how easily he dispatched both Edo Kages and got a hold of Orochimaru was indicative of how incredible he was supposed to be when going all out. Despite his old age, he was still superior to the three of them together.

Then part two/shippuden happened and that all went out the window.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

And I'm telling you that is not stated nor implied anywhere. Kakazu singled out Chiriku as the only monk in the temple to have been a guardian. Asuma did the same thing

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It was implied when the elder monk singled out Asuma to pray for him in his journey. Chiriku was the only monk in the temple currently with that waistband in the temple at the time:

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They don't pick 12 random people they pick people with potential and not just monks .

This was neither stated or implied in the manga. Especially when you have people in the leaf that holds more potential than Asuma.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

More than his age, he himself just didn't want to fight Orochimaru and his two teachers, still being held back some by his love for him. Even Enma comments during the fight that Hiruzen isn't himself after he(he being Enma) has to go out of his way to save Hiruzen. After that, Hiruzen decides to just end it with Shiki Fujin just to get rid of Orochimaru for good, and if you notice when he does that he quickly dispatches of both Edo Hokages despite having no sight and then nearly kills Oro as well.

Yeah those were factors but age was his biggest problem as he stated. In fact Rasa the 4th Kazekage fought Orochimaru with his edo tensei and Rasa along with his bodyguards were killed without landing a single scratch on Orochimaru. So Hiruzen did a good job.

In Part 1 Hiruzen was supposed to be one of the strongest ninja ever. It was retconned, but how easily he dispatched both Edo Kages and got a hold of Orochimaru was indicative of how incredible he was supposed to be when going all out. Despite his old age, he was still superior to the three of them together.

Then part two/shippuden happened and that all went out the window.

What part of him was reconned? And being the shinobi god or God of shinobis doesn't mean you're the strongest shinobi at all. It's just a titled for those who's will has been inherited by all the sinobi's across the world.

 

[Alchemy9167]

It was implied when the elder monk singled out Asuma to pray for him in his journey. Chiriku was the only monk in the temple currently with that waistband in the temple at the time:

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No it wasn't bruh. The old monk saw his cloth and said he was like Chiriku because they were both guardsmen not fellow monks.

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This was neither stated or implied in the manga. Especially when you have people in the leaf that holds more potential than Asuma.

People with more potential either did not want to be a guardsman or had more important jobs.