Hiruzen's physical art, illsuion, sword art, holy folk and more.

[HowDidIGetPrem]

It was implied when the elder monk singled out Asuma to pray for him in his journey. Chiriku was the only monk in the temple currently with that waistband in the temple at the time:

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This was neither stated or implied in the manga. Especially when you have people in the leaf that holds more potential than Asuma.

I like the thread, but the last point simply isn't true. The elder monk flat out says Chiriku was a former Guardian and used the cloth to transition to the statement. It's most likely that Chiriku got the cloth as a Guardian, then became a priest(hence former). We've also seen every other monk without the cloth despite having the same attire as Chiriku.

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Unless you want to assume Chiriku was the only monk in there, the answer is clear.

Oh.. there's even more. Here's the whole scan that's conveniently snipped.

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Kakazu says the cloth is proof that he was a Guardian.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

No it wasn't bruh. The old monk saw his cloth and said he was like Chiriku because they were both guardsmen not fellow monks.

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I just posted the viz scan of that page already:

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I don't use the fan translated ones because they're usually inaccurate but I'm not here to argue with you if Hiruzen has the Holy Folk or not because I said it was a theory.

People with more potential either did not want to be a guardsman or had more important jobs.

Important jobs such as? The guardian twelve served and protect the daimyo. You really don't have a choice because their protection is priority even Kages has no option:

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I like the thread, but the last point simply isn't true. The elder monk flat out says Chiriku was a former Guardian and used the cloth to transition to the statement. It's most likely that Chiriku got the cloth as a Guardian, then became a priest(hence former). We've also seen every other monk without the cloth despite having the same attire as Chiriku.

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Unless you want to assume Chiriku was the only monk in there, the answer is clear.

Oh.. there's even more. Here's the whole scan that's conveniently snipped.

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Kakazu says the cloth is proof that he was a Guardian.

You didn't read what I said properly.

 

[Alchemy9167]

I just posted the viz scan of that page already:

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I don't use the fan translated ones because they're usually inaccurate but I'm not here to argue with you if Hiruzen has the Holy Folk or not because I said it was a theory.

Your Viz scan is literally saying the same thing as the scan I posted but worded differently.

"Just like Chiriku you are a former guardian"

It is not implying Asuma or all of the guardians are monks at all.

I'm not arguing about Hiruzen, Asuma was not a monk and not all guardians are from the monk temple is my point.

 

[3MESSIAH]

Nice addition to the god of shinobi

 

[EliteKakashi]

Yeah those were factors but age was his biggest problem as he stated. In fact Rasa the 4th Kazekage fought Orochimaru with his edo tensei and Rasa along with his bodyguards were killed without landing a single scratch on Orochimaru. So Hiruzen did a good job.


What part of him was reconned? And being the shinobi god or God of shinobis doesn't mean you're the strongest shinobi at all. It's just a titled for those who's will has been inherited by all the sinobi's across the world.

God of Shinobi at the time was clearly meant to claim Hiruzen as the most powerful ever(or at least one of), and that was backed up by Kabuto/Orochimaru's discussion after the fight about Hiruzen being the strongest of the 5 kage, even at his old age.

Being a kage-caliber ninja in part 1 actually meant something, too. Country-destroying powers weren't thrown around like they were in part 2. The only two people in part one that were put on Hiruzen's level were Minato and Itachi(slight arguments could be made for Jiraiya and Orochimaru, however Jiraiya and Orochimaru were both put on tiers below Itachi by other character statements, and Hiruzen's win vs Oro/Hashi/Tobirama combined puts him on a tier above, speaking solely in terms of part 1, not factoring in anything that happens in part 2, including Hasi/Tobi power ups).

If you go through and read part 1 again it's pretty cool how Kishi laid out the power scaling. The top being:

Hiruzen
Itachi
Minato ( Possible that Itachi and Minato were meant to be ranked even above Hiruzen, as the very first page of the

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, which would have included Hiruzen, and Itachi

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. However, worth noting that still would have been a retired and somewhat past his prime Hiruzen, so maybe Hiruzen in his prime could also match the feat? Who knows.

But yeah, Hiruzen was meant to be at the top of(or at the very least alongside Minato and Itachi) the food chain in part 1. That was retconned when everyone and their brother became as powerful as kage in part 2 and some wound up with mountain leveling techniques.

 

[Nerosmoke]

10/10 thread. if Asuma can use the hands of budda then the 3rd can prob as well.