Hiruzen

[blazekev90]

Re: Hashi The Beast >>>>>Hiruzen

This is true!

 

[Maunten]

Re: Hashi The Beast >>>>>Hiruzen

After reading the latest chapter i can honestly say that any trace of doubt i had about Hashirama being the strongest hokage is more than erased.
Let´s look at the facts:
The monstrously overpowered Madara is fighting all 5 kages right?And after evaluating their best combined abilities he still considers the fight just a little game!!!
Then he proceeds to mock the Kages and tells them that the ONLY one who can stop him is Hashirama.
He is toying with the kages but after revealing his insanely powerful perfect Susanoo he let´s everyone know the true magnitude of his powers by saying that it´s a good thing Hashirama is gone because basically if the two of them were to fight each other at full power the landscape would be pretty much completely destroyed and maps would have to be redrawn.

Hashi´s power apparently exceeds by far the full combined power of ALL kages combined! Madara said it himself.

So i guess it´s now clear Hishirama is infinitely superior to Hiruzen Sarutobi.

Don't forget hurizen prime is a lot stronger than hiruzen, because hiruzen old beat both tobimaru and hashirama and full power.

So yeah you know, if hiruzen prime was a live now, he would one shot madara, proof below.

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[MadaraHashirama]

Re: Hashi The Beast >>>>>Hiruzen

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[a shadow hero]

Re: For the Hiruzen Fanboys XD

madara didnt have rinnegan and hashirama's cells when he fought hashirama.. This madara is on a completely diffrent level then what hashirama fought..

yes i understand what you are saying but
Madara is NOW saying that Hashi is the only one that can beat him!

witch means that Hashi and Madara are still equals after the power up of madara,.. I think

 

[a shadow hero]

Re: For the Hiruzen Fanboys XD

Who in the world thinks hiruzen can beat madara?

XD ,..

 

[a shadow hero]

Re: Hashi The Beast >>>>>Hiruzen

Yea baby!

 

[Ultimatevirus]

Re: For the Hiruzen Fanboys XD

well its actually confusing because madara when used his perfect susanoo still said that the only one that can defeat him is hashi...meaning he was not using hashi's power and rinnegans power at that time.. just ems madara

 

[saaaaaadpanda]

Re: Hashi The Beast >>>>>Hiruzen

While this is a good point, it is not definitive proof. Today's chapter suggests Hashirama>Madara>>>>>the current 5 kages. It suggests nothing about Hiruzen.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: Hiruzen was being toyed with

Chapter 589 just pretty much ended this debate... Lol

wait till people start saying madara never saw hiruzen's prime xd

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Re: Hashi The Beast >>>>>Hiruzen

Didn't read this is obvious and it should be to everyone!

 

[BloodSeed]

Re: Tsunades shock shows that hashirama > hiruzen

Well what i really want to say:

If hashi can really control kurama why is he so messed up in the pic? Did he sic kurama on himself?
My explanation: It was just after madara's fight and he was declaring to a supressed kurama that he will be sealed away for good.

Also, if madara was smart (which he is) he wld at least know hashi's powers (Theirs clans fought b4) and wld know hashi can take kurama's control away from him. So why the hell did he bring kurama with him? Surely not to have hashi use kurama against him? (It means MS has greater control over kurama, or at least he thought)

Plus, didnt i say MS can contol Kurama too? (And hashi can supress biju)

madara is a show off. and look how the way he talks about hashirama he is like a fanboy :rofl:

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: Tsunades shock shows that hashirama > hiruzen

Knowledge is power!!!​

I believe that people dont understand why hiruzen is the strongest hokage and im thinking about making a thread. Basically this is why hiruzen is the strongest hokage. He was trained by both the 1st and second hokage who were leaders of the senju and that clan was said to be a clan with a 1000 skill (or some shit like that). If you notice hashirama had loads of scroll, scrolls that if you are elected hokage you are entitled to and i believe one of those scrolls is what naruto stole at the beginning of the series.

Now Hiruzen being a part of the sarutobi clan who were said to have natural talent in learning ninjutsu fast, its reasonable to say due to his old age, plus this natural ability he has mastered all the scrolls/ninjutsu's that existed in konoha. He has done something that not even his 2 former masters did in their life time. Further more if you look at the db he is the only person, yes only person to get a 5/5 for all 3 forms of ninja art and this speaks volumes. No wonder he was called the professor.

Now because he was the student of the 2 hokages he knows their techniques very well, so much so that if he was to fight them he would be able to counter and we saw this. The weakness of the Kokuangyo no Jutsu is that apart from the eye sight being taken away from you, all your othe senses are there and because hiruzen being the student of the 1st knew of this technique and its weakness he used his nose (sense of smell) to track hashirama;

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Secondly Enma is a good counter for mokuton and we have seen this. Hashirama used the same technique as edo madara when he first used the mokuton. The technique was Mokuton Hijutsu: Jukai Kotan. Enma not only made mokuton look like a twig it also protect hiruzen;

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Tobirama being a master of suiton jutsu. Hiruzen knew this and was able to counter his Suiton suiryudan, with doton doryuuheki;

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The reason why Hiruzen is the strongest hokage is NOT solely based on raw power but knowledge on his counterparts to defeat them in a fight. Its his knowledge on his teachers abilities that will allow him to defeat them in a fight thats why he is strongest amongst them. Note the word amongst them because i believe people dont understand this.

If we were to give hashirama and hiruzen 10 top shinobi's to fight in a 1 vs 1 situation, i believe hashirama would win majority of his fights and i cannot say the same for hiruzen. So whilst hiruzen is the strongest hokage due to his knowledge on his former teachers, if we were to take this a step further and place them both outside the criteria of hokage hashirama is stronger, but if were to revert this and place them in the criteria of hokage hiruzen is stronger.

Hashirama is stronger but for reasons stated above hiruzen would most likely beat him majority of the times. Its not raw power that makes hiruzen stronger than hashirama

EDIT: Getting tired of posting this over and over again when it seems people cannot think for themselves

You sir +rep:flaw:

 

[Darkakatsuki]

Re: Tsunades shock shows that hashirama > hiruzen

Are you joking? Tsunade didn't believe in her gfathers strength? wtf ? She saw her grandfather fight, saw his jutsu, knew his jutsu.. How could she not believe what she saw -_-

the whole myth thing is obviously by people of the new generation who never saw or know about hashirama..


Every jounin with common sense knows he beat Madara, Yamato is living proof he was alive... etc


Tsunade saw that susanno, and wondered how in the world hashirama bought it... And she fully well knows what he was capable of..

Was Tsunade even 8 years old when Hashi died? How would she have seen him fight exactly?

 

[Darkakatsuki]

Re: Hiruzen was being toyed with

let me make one thing painfully clear..

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this states in black and white that oro and hokages were in fact toying since they wanted to see what hiruzen was capable of. and during most of the fight oro was standing around mocking hiruzen instead of getting himself involved. probably because he felt hashirama alone would be enough. tobirama only did one offensive jutsu then spent the rest of the match using just taijutsu. would oro who is intending to kill hiruzen as fast as possible really make the hokages only use taijutsu when hiruzens permanently trapped in darkness? would he really only use 2 or 3 jutsus of his own (hidden snake hands, edo tensei, longsword of the sky) if he really wanted to finish it as soon as possible? he didnt even cancel edo tensei to save his summons meaning he thought he could handle it without them. would the legendaru senju hashirama whos cells oro has studied really only use one mokuton ninjutsu, and not his other abilities? hiruzen appealed to his interest in seeing a jutus he hadnt before, and thats it. if he wanted he could have ended it then and there and hiruzen cant do anything about it

True, also, Oro was careless because of Imortality, he thought that Hiruzen didnt have a jutsu to stop edo tensei, he even expressed this verbally.

Also, Hashiraqma in his prime had the nine bijuu under his control, no way Hiruzen could hope to beat that.

Tobirama also is the creator of edo tensei and all the other kage that were ressurected spoke about it as if they have faced the jutsu before, safe to say that if Tobirama was alive and in control of himself, he would have uised that jutsu on hiruzen, but he couldnt because he was an edo under ORO'S CONTROL.

Hiruzen's feat is at best comparable to Sakura defeating Sasori's third kazekage puppet, it means next to nothing, he fought shells of the originals who werent even in control of themselves, it a joke really that Hiruzen fans use that battle as some kind of proof that Hiruzen>Tobirama and/or Hashirama, thats a big joke, then we might as well say that Sakura> Third kazekage.

Hiruzen fought Oro and lost, plain and simple fact.

 

[Sir Blades]

Re: Hiruzen was being toyed with

hiruzen is the strongest ninja in the world.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: Hiruzen was being toyed with

hiruzen is the strongest ninja in the world.

what? ...-.-' what? ...really?...is that sarcasm?

 

[Darksharinnegan]

Re: Hiruzen was being toyed with

if you pay attention to the hiruzen vs 1st 2cd and oro they were in a barrier making large scale attacks risky any of them could have destroyed everything inside but that wouldnt be winning.

so they stuck to mostly taijutsu and its wise not to all attack at the same time cuz they would hit each other

 

[Red Slayer]

Re: Hiruzen was being toyed with

let me make one thing painfully clear..

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this states in black and white that oro and hokages were in fact toying since they wanted to see what hiruzen was capable of. and during most of the fight oro was standing around mocking hiruzen instead of getting himself involved. probably because he felt hashirama alone would be enough. tobirama only did one offensive jutsu then spent the rest of the match using just taijutsu. would oro who is intending to kill hiruzen as fast as possible really make the hokages only use taijutsu when hiruzens permanently trapped in darkness? would he really only use 2 or 3 jutsus of his own (hidden snake hands, edo tensei, longsword of the sky) if he really wanted to finish it as soon as possible? he didnt even cancel edo tensei to save his summons meaning he thought he could handle it without them. would the legendaru senju hashirama whos cells oro has studied really only use one mokuton ninjutsu, and not his other abilities? hiruzen appealed to his interest in seeing a jutus he hadnt before, and thats it. if he wanted he could have ended it then and there and hiruzen cant do anything about it

agree +rep

 

[Shinraa Tensei]

Re: Hiruzen was being toyed with

hashirama is the strongest hokage period. because if somene as strong as edo madara is sayin hashirama is the only one that can beat him. the 1st hokage must have been something.

 

[stoikis]

Re: Hiruzen was being toyed with

hashirama is the strongest hokage period. because if somene as strong as edo madara is sayin hashirama is the only one that can beat him. the 1st hokage must have been something.

but still the manga says that hiruzen is the strongest
hashirama can beat ems madara because he knows his weaknest he has fought him many times in the past while hiruzen don't know shit about madara