hashmira is a legend
he did live ( yamato, zetsu cells, wood realease) . it was exxagarated
so6p is also a legend ( he had 2 sons ) elder and younger. so thats proof they both existed
orochimaru's edo-tensei back then is still imperfect for the the 1st and 2nd kage can only do techniques by which orochimaru know because orochimaru's edo-tensei has completely no emotion nor consiousness to do the technique only the 1st and 2nd know in which made them legendary, orochimaru's edo-tensei back then can be compared to sasori's human puppet 3rd kazekage in which sasori can execute the 3rd kazekage ability and attacks but cannot produce the 3rd kazekage's battle style, way he thinks in battle because he have no consiousness just like the 1st and 2nd hokage edo-tensi of orochimaru. about th 3rd, he became powrfull because he can do wide range of jutsu, he can execute many jutsu available that's why he is called the professor and if you can do something like that you can do the right jutsu at the right situatuation which makes th 3rd powerfull (in naruto they said that the 3rd is the most powerfull hokage of all and I believe it). now unlike orochimaru, kabuto's edo-tensei has an emotion now so they can have a mind of his own to think like how they think if they are in battle just like when they were alive, that's why madara is that powerfull
Nope, madara is using his ems powers because
1. Susanoo is a MS jutsu not rinnegan, if not nagato would have used it
2. Madara went at full strength against hashirama
3. Oonoki would not have said this:
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Madara having rinnegan doesn't mean he can't still use EMS powers.
I don't think kyuubi factor in madara vs hashirama fight since hashirama can hold and suppress bijuu and i won't be suprised if hashirama use kyuubi against madara after seizing it from madara and if hashirama can hold bijuu he should be able to hold this susano since it's has not shown any impressive speed feat anyway i think kishi don't intend for madara and hashirama to be this strong because the strenght hashirama show in part 1 is so so so low that no xplaination can erase and most people belive hashirama is the strongest hokage.
I believe that people dont understand why hiruzen is the strongest hokage and im thinking about making a thread. Basically this is why hiruzen is the strongest hokage. He was trained by both the 1st and second hokage who were leaders of the senju and that clan was said to be a clan with a 1000 skill (or some shit like that). If you notice hashirama had loads of scroll, scrolls that if you are elected hokage you are entitled to and i believe one of those scrolls is what naruto stole at the beginning of the series.
Now Hiruzen being a part of the sarutobi clan who were said to have natural talent in learning ninjutsu fast, its reasonable to say due to his old age, plus this natural ability he has mastered all the scrolls/ninjutsu's that existed in konoha. He has done something that not even his 2 former masters did in their life time. Further more if you look at the db he is the only person, yes only person to get a 5/5 for all 3 forms of ninja art and this speaks volumes. No wonder he was called the professor.
Now because he was the student of the 2 hokages he knows their techniques very well, so much so that if he was to fight them he would be able to counter and we saw this. The weakness of the Kokuangyo no Jutsu is that apart from the eye sight being taken away from you, all your othe senses are there and because hiruzen being the student of the 1st knew of this technique and its weakness he used his nose (sense of smell) to track hashirama;
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Secondly Enma is a good counter for mokuton and we have seen this. Hashirama used the same technique as edo madara when he first used the mokuton. The technique was Mokuton Hijutsu: Jukai Kotan. Enma not only made mokuton look like a twig it also protect hiruzen;
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Tobirama being a master of suiton jutsu. Hiruzen knew this and was able to counter his Suiton suiryudan, with doton doryuuheki;
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The reason why Hiruzen is the strongest hokage is NOT solely based on raw power but knowledge on his counterparts to defeat them in a fight. Its his knowledge on his teachers abilities that will allow him to defeat them in a fight thats why he is strongest amongst them. Note the word amongst them because i believe people dont understand this.
If we were to give hashirama and hiruzen 10 top shinobi's to fight in a 1 vs 1 situation, i believe hashirama would win majority of his fights and i cannot say the same for hiruzen. So whilst hiruzen is the strongest hokage due to his knowledge on his former teachers, if we were to take this a step further and place them both outside the criteria of hokage hashirama is stronger, but if were to revert this and place them in the criteria of hokage hiruzen is stronger.
Hashirama is stronger but for reasons stated above hiruzen would most likely beat him majority of the times. Its not raw power that makes hiruzen stronger than hashirama
EDIT: Getting tired of posting this over and over again when it seems people cannot think for themselves
why are you people cannot accpet the fact if it contradicts your belief. now your confused on how did hashirama really defeated madara. look here it is
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it was clear as the son that DURING their battle hashirama gained control of the ninetails and in order to better AID him
now here is what madara said. since he TASTED the power of a bijuu
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one slash of this sword possesses the power to break all creation. only the bijuu has the power COMPARABLE to this.
however im just speculating :rofl:
what does that shit means? that sussano can be trolled by minato since its just comparable to the bijuu minato trolled the bijuu.
yes im a minato fanboy and im proud of it come at me BRO!
Nope, madara is using his ems powers because
1. Susanoo is a MS jutsu not rinnegan, if not nagato would have used it
2. Madara went at full strength against hashirama
3. Oonoki would not have said this:
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Madara having rinnegan doesn't mean he can't still use EMS powers.
Are you joking? Tsunade didn't believe in her gfathers strength? wtf ? She saw her grandfather fight, saw his jutsu, knew his jutsu.. How could she not believe what she saw -_-
the whole myth thing is obviously by people of the new generation who never saw or know about hashirama..
Every jounin with common sense knows he beat Madara, Yamato is living proof he was alive... etc
Tsunade saw that susanno, and wondered how in the world hashirama bought it... And she fully well knows what he was capable of..
No she doesn't know, she was a kid when he battled Madara or Died. She doesn't even know half of his powers if she would she said that " yeah my grandfather beat that " not " did my grandafather really had to fight against this " ? Or something like that. U_U
srsly Blaze why do use oro`s incomplete mode edo power from part 1 to hype hiruzen?
in real combat, nidaime alone would beat the enma out of hiruzen IMO
and hashi is total rape for him
knowledge is power yeah but one still needs to have some mofo abilities to at least counter someone like hashi (or even nidai)
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and those who believe hiruzen > hashi in terms of raw power, are the perfect examples of retarded hardcore fanboys
If we were to give hashirama and hiruzen 10 top shinobi's to fight in a 1 vs 1 situation, i believe hashirama would win majority of his fights and i cannot say the same for hiruzen. So whilst hiruzen is the strongest hokage due to his knowledge on his former teachers, if we were to take this a step further and place them both outside the criteria of hokage hashirama is stronger, but if were to revert this and place them in the criteria of hokage hiruzen is stronger.
Hashirama is stronger but for reasons stated above hiruzen would most likely beat him majority of the times. Its not raw power that makes hiruzen stronger than hashirama
EDIT: Getting tired of posting this over and over again when it seems people cannot think for themselves
@BOLD: You just said you believe Hashi is stronger than Hiruzen, but that Hiruzen would win because he is a bad match up for Hashi due to knowlegde on Hashi, and that that makes Hiruzen stronger than Hashi.
@BOLD: You just said you believe Hashi is stronger than Hiruzen, but that Hiruzen would win because he is a bad match up for Hashi due to knowlegde on Hashi, and that that makes Hiruzen stronger than Hashi.
you are the one that is stupid and naive. Hashi's cell enable danzo to wield 11 sharingans w/o collapsing and it compress 10years of cool down into less than half a day. Are you saying those cells are not affecting the strenght of madara's tech in anyway? and you don't even know what hashirama's cell does it doesn't allow him to use big tech w/ small chakra it increase stamina in many folds, it contain a great life force which increase the potents rate of a tech and those 25 woods clone madara those all is w/ hashi's cell and you think normal madara would be pulling all those huge aoe tech w/o getting close to xhaustion? And he is even an edo which he has taken advantage of many times. So you think this madara is ems madara only?
Are you joking? Tsunade didn't believe in her gfathers strength? wtf ? She saw her grandfather fight, saw his jutsu, knew his jutsu.. How could she not believe what she saw -_-
the whole myth thing is obviously by people of the new generation who never saw or know about hashirama..
Every jounin with common sense knows he beat Madara, Yamato is living proof he was alive... etc
Tsunade saw that susanno, and wondered how in the world hashirama bought it... And she fully well knows what he was capable of..
