Hiruzen

[Draegod]

Re: Hiruzen was being toyed with

I guess that's true, but Kunai or no Kunai, Minato has more than that.

He has all this that can make him with the fight with ease.

Food Cart Destroyer: This crushed Kurama(100%). I believe it won't have any problem crushing the Eight Tails.

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Rasengan: His Rasengan is probably double or triple the size of Naruto's Original Rasengan. This has a very high chance of causing high damage to Raikage V2.

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His speed(FTG) is superior to Raikage V2. And that Kunai could have been a Rasengan instead.

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Space-Time Barrier for the Eight's TBB.
He has extremely strong Summons.

etc, etc.

I can't put anymore into this post. But you see my point? Minato clearly takes this.

Raikage never fought minato in full power bijuu chakra mode (v2), so how you can say he is better then v2 is beyond me.

And naruto had the same size rasengan, nothing spl. It only looked that cool because it was from above.

As for the summonings, they dont matter especially since they want see him. plus one punch to gamabunta and he is out! lol

Minato hasn't shown anything that could harm A, not saying he couldnt but hasnt shown anything of such.

Whether minato could defeat A is another story i dont feel like discussing because it would be a waist of time. haha

 

[Cerox0]

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Jesus.. they were toying with him INSIDE bringer of darkness..

They could have ended it the moment he was in it.. by both of them using long range attacks such as moukoton and water bullet etc....

Instead of doing that, they came up close and toyed with him, punched, kicked etc.. That's what orochimaru meant.

Noone is denying at that part they toyed... Noone is saying that old ass hiruzen can beat two hokages....

However young hiruzen can solo each of them individually...

^This. +Rep to OP and Owarij.

Honestly, Bringer of Darkness/ Flower Tree World while Tobirama is using S/T and Orochimaru actually getting involved would have slaughtered the old man, or prime.

Not to mention Tobi's ET (lol that's funny an Edo using Edo Tensei), Hashirama's medical skills (not even needed as an Edo), scrolls, kenjutsu, and huge chakra's. They were not only toying with him, but were all piss poor versions of their real selves.

 

[Seraphiel]

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Raikage never fought minato in full power bijuu chakra mode (v2), so how you can say he is better then v2 is beyond me.

And naruto had the same size rasengan, nothing spl. It only looked that cool because it was from above.

As for the summonings, they dont matter especially since they want see him. plus one punch to gamabunta and he is out! lol

Minato hasn't shown anything that could harm A, not saying he couldnt but hasnt shown anything of such.

Whether minato could defeat A is another story i dont feel like discussing because it would be a waist of time. haha

Read the Manga again. These points are more than valid. And as you said... discussing would be a waste of time.

 

[LegendaryAce]

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I wonder if the manga says or even implies that hiruzen can beat hashirama or tobirama...dont say doesnt say tenten can beat so6p...Come on do u think if orochimaru was fighting seriously from the get go that hiruzen would have had time to even summon enma? he would have been dead ..he was his sensei he wanted to joke around with him and watch him suffer ofc that backfired on him..through out the whole fight oro was just joking around ..until the end where he noticed he was losing

 

[zombiejesus]

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madara would already be gone if hurizen was alive so wtfe

 

[Weezy]

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let me make one thing painfully clear..

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this states in black and white that oro and hokages were in fact toying since they wanted to see what hiruzen was capable of. and during most of the fight oro was standing around mocking hiruzen instead of getting himself involved. probably because he felt hashirama alone would be enough. tobirama only did one offensive jutsu then spent the rest of the match using just taijutsu. would oro who is intending to kill hiruzen as fast as possible really make the hokages only use taijutsu when hiruzens permanently trapped in darkness? would he really only use 2 or 3 jutsus of his own (hidden snake hands, edo tensei, longsword of the sky) if he really wanted to finish it as soon as possible? he didnt even cancel edo tensei to save his summons meaning he thought he could handle it without them. would the legendaru senju hashirama whos cells oro has studied really only use one mokuton ninjutsu, and not his other abilities? hiruzen appealed to his interest in seeing a jutus he hadnt before, and thats it. if he wanted he could have ended it then and there and hiruzen cant do anything about it

agreed

 

[Lordlloyd7]

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Man i dont give a damn! Hashirama>Hiruzen! Tobirama>/= Hiruzen! WHAT!

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

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Prime Hiruzen is still the strongest hokage according to Kishi. Oro is just dum in battle thats all.

Kishi never said that Prime Hiruzen was the strongest.

Iruka and Kabuto did, which is different because Kishimoto is NOT his drawings, he gave them their own personality and opinion.

Then you notice in Part II that Kabuto goes against what he said?

And NO! To the bullshit about YOUNG Hiruzen. Stop acting like you know what he can do.

You guys are ****ing stupid. We have NO IDEA what he could do when he was young. Stop making assumptions based on what you heard from Enma who we haven't even seen since then (other than Kushina's flashback as the staff) and some NO-NAME Anbu. It was one ****ing statement that's obviously been contradicted.

 

[Exaar]

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I wonder if the manga says or even implies that hiruzen can beat hashirama or tobirama...dont say doesnt say tenten can beat so6p...Come on do u think if orochimaru was fighting seriously from the get go that hiruzen would have had time to even summon enma? he would have been dead ..he was his sensei he wanted to joke around with him and watch him suffer ofc that backfired on him..through out the whole fight oro was just joking around ..until the end where he noticed he was losing

Still using that argument huh xd.

Anyway, Asoon as hiruzen saw him make the hand sign began to the summoning.

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It also filled the Area in an Instant, Being serious or not doesn't really effect a Jutsu's speed.
a Split second after he was caught enma was Summoned, so if he was "serious" or not i think he could would of summoned him

Kishi never said that Prime Hiruzen was the strongest.

Iruka and Kabuto did, which is different because Kishimoto is NOT his drawings, he gave them their own personality and opinion.

Then you notice in Part II that Kabuto goes against what he said?

It doesn't go against what kabuto said.

Kabuto said there isn't any Ninja on his level Anymore, Meaning there once was. He was talking about the current living shinobi.

 

[MRMichael]

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let me make one thing painfully clear..

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this states in black and white that oro and hokages were in fact toying since they wanted to see what hiruzen was capable of. and during most of the fight oro was standing around mocking hiruzen instead of getting himself involved. probably because he felt hashirama alone would be enough. tobirama only did one offensive jutsu then spent the rest of the match using just taijutsu. would oro who is intending to kill hiruzen as fast as possible really make the hokages only use taijutsu when hiruzens permanently trapped in darkness? would he really only use 2 or 3 jutsus of his own (hidden snake hands, edo tensei, longsword of the sky) if he really wanted to finish it as soon as possible? he didnt even cancel edo tensei to save his summons meaning he thought he could handle it without them. would the legendaru senju hashirama whos cells oro has studied really only use one mokuton ninjutsu, and not his other abilities? hiruzen appealed to his interest in seeing a jutus he hadnt before, and thats it. if he wanted he could have ended it then and there and hiruzen cant do anything about it

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

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Didn't read. Hiruzen prime still > Hashirama, the statement which said this was not affected by anything which happened in his battle with Oro. All the people who think otherwise are just plain stupid.

If you think i'm wrong, you think the manga is wrong.

No. Everyone here is smart enough to at least read what he had to say. You obviously just wanted to up your post count. What is the point of coming to this thread just to say you didn't read it.

The manga has contradicted itself. It's not a Bible where things are absolute.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

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Still using that argument huh xd.

Anyway, Asoon as hiruzen saw him make the hand sign began to the summoning.

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It also filled the Area in an Instant, Being serious or not doesn't really effect a Jutsu's speed.
a Split second after he was caught enma was Summoned, so if he was "serious" or not i think he could would of summoned him



It doesn't go against what kabuto said.

Kabuto said there isn't any Ninja on his level Anymore, Meaning there once was. He was talking about the current living shinobi.

Then he goes on to say that his strength was fabled like the Sage, but if Hiruzen were really stronger than him, don't you think that would have been added? There has been nothing mentioned about Hiruzen in Part II in terms of strength for a reason.

 

[kmrasengan]

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yeah they were toyin with an old hiruzen who according to enma was not even close to his prime. now i would like to see a prime hiruzen, i mean since kishi gave him that much hype

 

[EliteKakashi]

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No. Everyone here is smart enough to at least read what he had to say. You obviously just wanted to up your post count. What is the point of coming to this thread just to say you didn't read it.

The manga has contradicted itself. It's not a Bible where things are absolute.

Kabuto never stated that Hiruzen was the greatest ever. He also never stated that Hashirama was the greatest ever.

He stated they were the best of their times. He never compared the two and never clashed the two.

Anyone trying to take it otherwise needs to re-read the manga.

 

[naruTOBoI007]

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Hiruzen is still "god of the shinobi". No argument there. The manga says it and also he still beated Oro and both the Hokages.

 

[Exaar]

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Then he goes on to say that his strength was fabled like the Sage, but if Hiruzen were really stronger than him, don't you think that would have been added? There has been nothing mentioned about Hiruzen in Part II in terms of strength for a reason.

Because hiruzen has nothing to do witht he current storyline?.
It's all about Hashirama and Mokuton.

 

[TobisPawn]

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yeah they were toyin with an old hiruzen who according to enma was not even close to his prime. now i would like to see a prime hiruzen, i mean since kishi gave him that much hype

This.

 

[spokentruth]

Re: Hiruzen was being toyed with

He still Beat Hashirama And Tobirama No Matter how u say it

 

[Stark]

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I agree, he wasn't even perfected. Oro's Edo was imperfect.

 

[bruce lee was uchiha]

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let me make one thing painfully clear..

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this states in black and white that oro and hokages were in fact toying since they wanted to see what hiruzen was capable of. and during most of the fight oro was standing around mocking hiruzen instead of getting himself involved. probably because he felt hashirama alone would be enough. tobirama only did one offensive jutsu then spent the rest of the match using just taijutsu. would oro who is intending to kill hiruzen as fast as possible really make the hokages only use taijutsu when hiruzens permanently trapped in darkness? would he really only use 2 or 3 jutsus of his own (hidden snake hands, edo tensei, longsword of the sky) if he really wanted to finish it as soon as possible? he didnt even cancel edo tensei to save his summons meaning he thought he could handle it without them. would the legendaru senju hashirama whos cells oro has studied really only use one mokuton ninjutsu, and not his other abilities? hiruzen appealed to his interest in seeing a jutus he hadnt before, and thats it. if he wanted he could have ended it then and there and hiruzen cant do anything about it

coming from a point in the series like that, it definately seemed as though hiruzen was not much of a kage... but now that the series has progressed so far.... orochimaru used edo tensei and summoned hashi and tobirama... what if hiruzen purposely sealed them so they could never be brought back again and then also sealed oro to severely cripple his combat capabilities...