Hiruzen - Worst Kage of all time

[SageOfTheTenPaths]

Thats right, not only the worst Hokage, but worst Kage in general. Let me explain why. First of all this has nothing to do with his abilities or skills, we all know he is one of the strongest shinobi of all time, top 20 at least. This only has do do with him as a Hokage, the position to defend, protect, and take care of your village. He FAILED at all those points.

-Behind his back Itachi & the ENTIRE Uchiha clan was destroyed, inside his own village! This is my biggest gripe, a genocide going on in your own village, and you dont know about it?? Thats is WEAK dude, no excuse for that.

-Behind his back his close friend Danzo was manipulating people, not only his own village, but other villages and starting wars in the name of Konoha. Surely he had to have suspected that Danzo is a piece of shi--t liar and manipulator? After being friends with him for 50years!!! Remove Danzo from power, you are the Hokage! If he didnt see that Danzo was a bad guy he is BLIND!

-His own apprentice invaded his village and killed him.... In plain open daylight... Thats weak.

-Instead of helping protect the 4th Hokage when Kushina gave birth, he was home smoking his pipe..... Nuff said.

 

[Bronze]

I approve U_U.

 

[voids]

The bashing is strong in this one.

 

[startup97]

Hiruzen is cool.

 

[Inert Brian]

Approve 90% of it.

By far he was the worst hokage. But to change your post around a bit.

The whole Uchiha genocide thing was instigated by Danzo, I'd say that falls under allowing Danzo to reign free.

He was smoking his pipe because the barrier they used was impossible to get past (you have to be a kamui user, or have FTG marked inside the barrier some how)

 

[Minator93]

You either are mad because Hiruzen > Your fav or you're just grandstanding with a Hiruzen thread.


OT: Hiruzen is one of the best Kage.

 

[SharinganisOP]

To be fair, he knew about the the first two things you listed, which honestly probably makes it even worse.

The third think you listed Hiruzen had to know was going to happen eventually. He knew Orochimaru had devious plans, and in order to follow through with those plans he would need to kill the hokage. He should have known this was coming and made preperations for the day it would happen.

The fourth thing is kinda true kinda not. Where I agree with you on the other ones, this one is different. Kushina had a barrier, elite anbu, and the fourth hokage all guarding her. The third stayed behind to guard the village, in case anything happened. You can't have all your resources in one place. Had the third been with Minato and was protecting Kushina, it wouldn't have changed much, Obito still would have taken the ninetails. The part where it changes is that the leaf no longer had anyone to lead them in the fight against the kyuubi while the fourth was fighting Obito. Much more damage could have been possible if Hiruzen had went with Minato, or Hiruzen would have died trying to protect Kushina from Obito. Overall Hiruzen actually did the right choice here. Also I would like to say no one in the entire world was going to be able to do what Obito did, except Obito. And since no one knew such an ability that Obito possesses exists, Their security was honestly more than fortified enough with just Minato there.

 

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yes but he didnt let a akatsuki member invade his village and flatten it neg diff then depend on a kid to save the village U_U

 

[IcedFox]

yes but he didnt let a akatsuki member invade his village and flatten it neg diff then depend on a kid to save the village U_U

You must hate Tsunade...

 

[Young Vongola]

You gotta read the manga more carefully. He let Danzo operate in the shadows because he also felt what Danzo was doing was necessary for the village, he just couldn't bring himself to do those things. He gave the all clear for the Uchiha massacre and he knew about Danzo.

He did **** up with the Orochimaru thing though. He had a perfect chance to kill him after he knew he was twisted, but couldn't kill his own student at the time because of his emotions.

As for the Minato/Kushina/Obito thing...he WAS NOT THE HOKAGE anymore. Minato was the Hokage, people really seem to forget that. Hiruzen had no reason to be on guard at that time because it just was not his responsibility, it was Minato's. So if anything, the Kyubi stuff was Minato's fault and Hiruzen had to pick up his slack by pushing it out of the village. All that aside, they had barriers and tight security that no ordinary shinobi could get through. Unfortunately for them Obito is no ordinary shinobi. He was able to bypass the barriers and teleport right in because of his Kamui, which nobody in the world had ever witnessed before. So actually I take back what I said about it being Minato's fault. Nobody is to blame for the Kyubi incident because Obito's ability was incredibly haxed

 

[Lucidus]

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You must hate Tsunade...

pointing out double standards isn't hate, fact of the matter is that all the hokages did a pretty shitty job.

 

[The Sach]

Tie between him and Tsunade.U_U

 

[ll BL4CKM00N ll]

Please gtfo. Anyone who even remotely agrees with this is an idiot who knows nothing about the fundamentals of comprehension or politics.

 

[SageOfTheTenPaths]

You gotta read the manga more carefully. He let Danzo operate in the shadows because he also felt what Danzo was doing was necessary for the village, he just couldn't bring himself to do those things. He gave the all clear for the Uchiha massacre and he knew about Danzo.

He did **** up with the Orochimaru thing though. He had a perfect chance to kill him after he knew he was twisted, but couldn't kill his own student at the time because of his emotions.

As for the Minato/Kushina/Obito thing...he WAS NOT THE HOKAGE anymore. Minato was the Hokage, people really seem to forget that. Hiruzen had no reason to be on guard at that time because it just was not his responsibility, it was Minato's. So if anything, the Kyubi stuff was Minato's fault and Hiruzen had to pick up his slack by pushing it out of the village. All that aside, they had barriers and tight security that no ordinary shinobi could get through. Unfortunately for them Obito is no ordinary shinobi. He was able to bypass the barriers and teleport right in because of his Kamui, which nobody in the world had ever witnessed before. So actually I take back what I said about it being Minato's fault. Nobody is to blame for the Kyubi incident because Obito's ability was incredibly haxed

I didnt forget anything buddy, read the thread, i wrote HE DIDNT PROTECT THE 4TH, ergo he is NOT HOKAGE anymore. No one is forgetting he wasnt Hokage, we actually remember it well, beacause Minato was 10 times better Hokage then what Hiruzen was. And you say Hirzuen let Danzo go along with killing the Uchiha etc, and gave the green light? then thats even worse!! What kind of Hokage does such a thing????? The answer is simple, the worst Hokage ever! Yes Tsunade let pain ruin the village, but she did her best to protect everyone. And she loved everyone, she didnt try to MASSACRE an entire people! And she wasnt weak and let herself be manipulated by a douchebag like Danzo. Hiruzen = worst Kage ever, FACT!

 

[sharingansennin]

hiruzen didn't like to see the evil in people and it cost him dearly

 

[Six Paths of Logic]

yes but he didnt let a akatsuki member invade his village and flatten it neg diff then depend on a kid to save the village U_U

"The village can be rebuilt" -Fourth Hokage
1) Tsunade was healing via slugs
2) Dont underestimate Pain (only one tko) nor the rinnegan
3) No one saw that coming, how would you counter a devastating almighty push of that magnitude, Tsunade kept the villagersbsafe from it

Great or bad leader, there are going to be a-holes;
1st Hashirama - Madara
2nd Tobirama - Madara, Uchiha clan, Danzo
3rd Hiruzen - Danzo, Uchiha Clan, Orochimaru
4th Minato - Obito, and most of the above...

 

[SageOfTheTenPaths]

"The village can be rebuilt" -Fourth Hokage
1) Tsunade was healing via slugs
2) Dont underestimate Pain (only one tko) nor the rinnegan
3) No one saw that coming, how would you counter a devastating almighty push of that magnitude, Tsunade kept the villagersbsafe from it

Great or bad leader, there are going to be a-holes;
1st Hashirama - Madara
2nd Tobirama - Madara, Uchiha clan, Danzo
3rd Hiruzen - Danzo, Uchiha Clan, Orochimaru
4th Minato - Obito, and most of the above...

Yeah, this is a good post mate, Tsunade was outpowered but won in the end, but Hiruzen was outsmarted and lost everything in the end, even his life. And in the end of his life he knew that he was the man responsible for killing the entire Uchiha clan.... Tragic. Worst Kage ever. No other Kage in the history massacred their own people.

 

[omarsen]

Yeah, this is a good post mate, Tsunade was outpowered but won in the end, but Hiruzen was outsmarted and lost everything in the end, even his life. And in the end of his life he knew that he was the man responsible for killing the entire Uchiha clan.... Tragic. Worst Kage ever. No other Kage in the history massacred their own people.

How did Tsunade exactly win at the end? Without Naruto Konoha would have been crushed.

Beside that Hiruzen did approve of elimination of the Uchiha, otherwise they would be Shinobi war again.

If you think that Hiruzen "Suck" becuase of what he did, then what would you have done?

Edit: Hiruzen did stop orochimaru so bascially he did win, and died with a smile on his face

 

[Six Paths of Logic]

Yeah, this is a good post mate, Tsunade was outpowered but won in the end, but Hiruzen was outsmarted and lost everything in the end, even his life. And in the end of his life he knew that he was the man responsible for killing the entire Uchiha clan.... Tragic. Worst Kage ever. No other Kage in the history massacred their own people.

No problem, my fellow sage, but to kill a friend, family member, student, and/or sensei is hard to do Hashirama also took a while to realize he had to kill madara for the sake of the village, and he didnt even kill him... Danzo was the one who wanted the uchiha to be "stopped" Hiruzen wanted another way but the the other village elders disagreed. He did train two other great and legendary sannins too, Toad Sage Jiraiya and Tsunade:bouncy: