[VS] Hiruzen vs Sound Four

[Curse Mark]

Yes because letting a six armed archer sneak into position where he can snipe is logical. A combination of clones and Enma qualify as more then enough to distract his much, much less experienced opponents.

I did you a favor and striked out the bullshit that didnt make sense/ have to do with anything.
Hiruzen can't fight and counter four people at once even with clones and enma.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

I did you a favor and striked out the bullshit that didnt make sense/ have to do with anything.
Hiruzen can't fight and counter four people at once even with clones and enma.

Yes, let us resort to cursing because we don't understand a post. It has alot to do with who Hiruzen will target first, actually.

Why can't he? If anything, I've witnessed that Hiruzen was exceptionally skilled at fighting multiple opponents. All four of them are destroyed by Hiruzen and Enma's unpredictable fighting style. Being clocked in the head with a diamond hard staff seems incredibly effective.

 

[Skywardsword]

Location: Valley of the End.
Knowledge: None.
Restrictions: Tayuya's overpowered genjutsu that Kabuto used on Itachi and Sasuke.
Distance: 50 meters.

Would the aging Sandaime Hokage and Enma be able to pull it off?

Sandaime wins, high dif.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The only reason anyone would bother to make this thread is based on the simple fact that Hiruzen has so few feats. And with those so few feats, he still has what it takes to defeat them.

It shouldn't even have to come down to it being a match of feats.

They can't kill 2 special jounin giving it their all. Hiruzen gave Orochimaru and 2 hokages(talk about how powered down they are you want, they're still above the sound 4, by far) fits when he wasn't even trying his hardest. Just..think about that. That alone. That should end any conversation about this topic because THIS ALONE should make it so blatantly obvious.

Kakashi scared Kidoumaru enough to make him wait several hours to approach Sasuke over the fear that Kakashi has the SLIGHTEST chance of being around.

Genin gave each one of them just about all they could handle.

The distance that Kishi put between the Sound 4 and any halfway powerful character in this series is ridiculous. It shouldn't even come down to a thread.

Next I swear I'm going to see Sound 4 vs Nagato.

I haven't even bothered to mention that this last chapter has made it blatantly obvious that Hiruzen has fought Onoki in the past, observed how jinton worked and lived to tell the tale. When have the Sound 4 done anything like that? They gonna beat Onoki too?

Why you keep bringing up the Jonin for they challenged them in CQC thats all. They are not dumb to do that to a Kage.
Hizuren is screwed this is tag team.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Why you keep bringing up the Jonin for they challenged them in CQC thats all. They are not dumb to do that to a Kage.
Hizuren is screwed this is tag team.

There's absolutely nothing that says they only challenged them in CQC.

"If we would have conserved our energy we may have been defeated"

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If all they did was fight in CQC there wouldn't be any mention about them having to conserve energy or Genma mentioning their jutsu.

Hiruzen and Enma would be just fine.

 

[Xlad]

Hiruzen no hesitation.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

There's absolutely nothing that says they only challenged them in CQC.

"If we would have conserved our energy we may have been defeated"

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If all they did was fight in CQC there wouldn't be any mention about them having to conserve energy or Genma mentioning their jutsu.

Hiruzen and Enma would be just fine.

Point taken but I didn't mean that all they did was CQC. I meant they decided to start from there. As for Jirobo's statement what did he meant.

 

[MisterEggPirate88]

Sound four win high diff.

We didnt see the fight between the Jonin and the Sound 4 so that means absolutely nothing.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Point taken but I didn't mean that all they did was CQC. I meant they decided to start from there. As for Jirobo's statement what did he meant.

Tayuya commented using the cursed seal level 2 puts a lot of strain on their bodies. I'm assuming it disables them to a point for a short period of time.

 

[Gakido]

The Oto 4 would take it. Hiruzen doesn't have a reliable counter for Musical Genjutsu: Chains of Fantasia while dealing with Jirobo and Sakon/Ukon also while being harrased from long range by Kido

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Tayuya commented using the cursed seal level 2 puts a lot of strain on their bodies. I'm assuming it disables them to a point for a short period of time.

Now it makes sense. I still don't think they displayed All of their jutsu against the Jonins and I still think the Sound 4 will fight differently when fighting the Hokage that they know so much about.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Now it makes sense. I still don't think they displayed All of their jutsu against the Jonins and I still think the Sound 4 will fight differently when fighting the Hokage that they know so much about.

Knowledge: None.

They know nothing about Hiruzen in this fight.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

They know nothing about Hiruzen in this fight.

Welp then it all depends how they want to fight. If they used all the attacks shown in the manga then I see them winning. If they happen to fight the same way they fought off screen like they did against Jonins then Hiruzen takes this

 

[EliteKakashi]

Welp then it all depends how they want to fight. If they used all the attacks shown in the manga then I see them winning. If they happen to fight the same way they fought off screen like they did against Jonins then Hiruzen takes this

The problem with this logic is Kido implies they went all out vs the special jounins over the fear they would have been defeated if they held back.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The problem with this logic is Kido implies they went all out vs the special jounins over the fear they would have been defeated if they held back.

With no evidence on how they went all out. With ninja stars and kunai's? .I don't see any spider webs around the area. They clearly fought different off screen.

 

[EliteKakashi]

With no evidence on how they went all out. With ninja stars and kunai's? .I don't see any spider webs around the area. They clearly fought different off screen.

I'm just going off what he said..dunno why he'd lie about it.

Any way you want to look at it, the Sound 4, even as a whole, has ever so clearly been implied to be far below the level of any kage. They don't even get the 1v4 advantage against Hiruzen either, thanks to Enma. I think this thread will pretty much be trashed after the next couple of chapters anyway, especially if they show or imply how Hiruzen topped Onoki.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I'm just going off what he said..dunno why he'd lie about it.

Any way you want to look at it, the Sound 4, even as a whole, has ever so clearly been implied to be far below the level of any kage. They don't even get the 1v4 advantage against Hiruzen either, thanks to Enma. I think this thread will pretty much be trashed after the next couple of chapters anyway, especially if they show or imply how Hiruzen topped Onoki.

I really can't wait. Till now in my this match I don't see what so when Kido hides and long ranges him with webs and arrows. Once one of those hit its over. Then the other 3 which already explained in previous post.

 

[EliteKakashi]

I really can't wait. Till now in my this match I don't see what so when Kido hides and long ranges him with webs and arrows. Once one of those hit its over. Then the other 3 which already explained in previous post.

Enma protects him from it, Hiruzen dodges it, Hiruzen destroys it with Karyuu Endan, creates a doton wall to protect him.

Plenty of ways to stop it. Enma can extend his limbs as well. Kido trying to stay long range is no big deal. I do seriously pity any of the 4 that try to combat him in CQC, though. That's one of my favorite feats from Hiruzen, landing those explosive tags without being noticed by either of the hokage or Orochimaru and just blowing their limbs off.

I also could very easily start arguing with Hiruzen using every konoha technique(not bloodline, obviously, but the elemental ones), given that is part of his hype/reputation. Then this would get even uglier.

 

[Invsblphntm]

By hype and manga implications and the fact that he is a Hokage, Hiruzen stomps these fodders.


By feats, well....

 

[Sacrosanct]

By hype and manga implications and the fact that he is a Hokage, Hiruzen stomps these fodders.


By feats, well....

He loses, yes.