[VS] Hiruzen vs Sound Four

[Legendary Toad Sage]

ABC Logic. Woohoo.

Actually in some instances. ABC Logic is completely reliable.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Actually in some instances. ABC Logic is completely reliable.

It still wouldn't save Hiruzen here.

 

[Curse Mark]

Actually in some instances. ABC Logic is completely reliable.

ABC logic doesn't work in Naruto. Good try though.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

ABC Logic. Woohoo.

In this match up, no. But yes it is very reasonable sometimes

 

[EliteKakashi]

Oh my ****ing lulz.

What do people not get about the Sound 4 struggling against 2 Special Jounin, being exhausted from fighting them and not actually being able to kill them?

I mean, is that really that hard to understand? Hiruzen wasn't giving it his all vs Oro/Hashi/Tobirama and still gave them a challenge.

Lets go down the list here:

Tayuya, Sakon/Ukon and Kido have no answer for Karyuu Endan.

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Hiruzen's doton abilities are so great that even in his old age he created a gigantic doton wall just from his mouth.

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Hiruzen's CQC abilities were great enough to fool Hashi, Orochimaru and Tobirama, and got their limbs blown off.

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You mind telling me where the Sound 4 have shown CQC feats to combat that?

Enma destroys mokuton like it ain't shit

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, has a body as hard as diamonds, and can protect Hiruzen from anything the Sound 4 uses to damage him

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Hiruzen is good enough with Enma in staff form to combat Orochimaru using Kusanagi

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Make fun of his shuriken jutsu all you like, but this many shurikens at this size would cause a lot of problems for the Sound 4

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The overrating of the Sound 4 on this forum is ridiculous.

Genin can give them troubles.

All 4 of them together can't even manage to defeat two fodder special jounin..

And people think they can combat people like Hiruzen, Kakashi and Gai(together, even..they'd get stomped facing them separately..), members of the Akatsuki, etc.

Kakashi scared Kidoumaru enough to make them wait the entire day just to try and get to Sasuke. They'd shit their pants at the thought of facing a Hokage.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

It still wouldn't save Hiruzen here.

That's all dandy and fine, but he doesn't need saving.

 

[Curse Mark]

That's all dandy and fine, but he doesn't need saving.

Yeah, he needs a miracle.

 

[Icelerate]

Oh my ****ing lulz.

What do people not get about the Sound 4 struggling against 2 Special Jounin, being exhausted from fighting them and not actually being able to kill them?

I mean, is that really that hard to understand? Hiruzen wasn't giving it his all vs Oro/Hashi/Tobirama and still gave them a challenge.

Lets go down the list here:

Tayuya, Sakon/Ukon and Kido have no answer for Karyuu Endan.

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Hiruzen's doton abilities are so great that even in his old age he created a gigantic doton wall just from his mouth.

You must be registered for see links

Hiruzen's CQC abilities were great enough to fool Hashi, Orochimaru and Tobirama, and got their limbs blown off.

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You mind telling me where the Sound 4 have shown CQC feats to combat that?

Enma destroys mokuton like it ain't shit

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, has a body as hard as diamonds, and can protect Hiruzen from anything the Sound 4 uses to damage him

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Hiruzen is good enough with Enma in staff form to combat Orochimaru using Kusanagi

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Make fun of his shuriken jutsu all you like, but this many shurikens at this size would cause a lot of problems for the Sound 4

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The overrating of the Sound 4 on this forum is ridiculous.

Genin can give them troubles.

All 4 of them together can't even manage to defeat two fodder special jounin..

And people think they can combat people like Hiruzen, Kakashi and Gai(together, even..they'd get stomped facing them separately..), members of the Akatsuki, etc.

Kakashi scared Kidoumaru enough to make them wait the entire day just to try and get to Sasuke. They'd shit their pants at the thought of facing a Hokage.

I could easily refute this post of yours but too bad I'm too busy to do so.

Sound four could pull it off with high difficulty.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Yeah, he needs a miracle.

The Sound Four will need a miracle, and Rinne Tensei.

 

[Curse Mark]

The Sound Four will need a miracle, and Rinne Tensei.

Lmao. Kidomaru needs one arrow to murder Hiruzen.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Lmao. Kidomaru needs one arrow to murder Hiruzen.

And Hiruzen needs a Kunai to cut his throat.

 

[EliteKakashi]

I could easily refute this post of yours but too bad I'm too busy to do so.

Sound four could pull it off with high difficulty.

The only reason anyone would bother to make this thread is based on the simple fact that Hiruzen has so few feats. And with those so few feats, he still has what it takes to defeat them.

It shouldn't even have to come down to it being a match of feats.

They can't kill 2 special jounin giving it their all. Hiruzen gave Orochimaru and 2 hokages(talk about how powered down they are you want, they're still above the sound 4, by far) fits when he wasn't even trying his hardest. Just..think about that. That alone. That should end any conversation about this topic because THIS ALONE should make it so blatantly obvious.

Kakashi scared Kidoumaru enough to make him wait several hours to approach Sasuke over the fear that Kakashi has the SLIGHTEST chance of being around.

Genin gave each one of them just about all they could handle.

The distance that Kishi put between the Sound 4 and any halfway powerful character in this series is ridiculous. It shouldn't even come down to a thread.

Next I swear I'm going to see Sound 4 vs Nagato.

I haven't even bothered to mention that this last chapter has made it blatantly obvious that Hiruzen has fought Onoki in the past, observed how jinton worked and lived to tell the tale. When have the Sound 4 done anything like that? They gonna beat Onoki too?

 

[Curse Mark]

And Hiruzen needs a Kunai to cut his throat.

Hiruzen's going to cut his throat with a kunai from across the battlefield? That makes sense.

 

[Zexion~]

That won't harm him physically lol...

Neither does Chibaku tensei but its considered a win

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Lmao. Kidomaru needs one arrow to murder Hiruzen.

Dear lord you basically stated that Kidomaru can solo Hiruzen with no difficulty.

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[Curse Mark]

Dear lord you basically stated that Kidomaru can solo Hiruzen with no difficulty.

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That's actually not what I said at all. With three other people and a great amount of distance between them, Kidomaru kills him with one arrow.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

That's actually not what I said at all. With three other people and a great amount of distance between them, Kidomaru kills him with one arrow.

That's the impression I got from what was said.

Anyways with Hiruzen's analytical prowess, he won't let an opponent wielding a bow get too far.

 

[Curse Mark]

That's the impression I got from what was said.

Anyways with Hiruzen's analytical prowess, he won't let an opponent wielding a bow get too far.

What a poor argument. While Hiruzen fights the 3 others and is completely distracted, Kido snipes with an arrow that Hiruzen can't defend against.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

What a poor argument. While Hiruzen fights the 3 others and is completely distracted, Kido snipes with an arrow that Hiruzen can't defend against.

Yes because letting a six armed archer sneak into position where he can snipe is logical. A combination of clones and Enma qualify as more then enough to distract his much, much less experienced opponents.

 

[Nous]

I think Hiruzen would pull through, High-Diff. Sound 5 on the other hand would win Mid-High Diff.