Hiruzen vs ems sasuke

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1. He never stated minato taught him something that can only be used once. He noted this is what the effects (seeing the demon) that they talked about. Again; minato never used it to know about only being able to see the demon. He for a fact was taught, told, or read on it himself to know about it. Since he for a fact wasn't first or last user. For example, if some one tells me about the effect if doing a suicide drug them selfs have never used, they can easily have read or had someone to tell that person the effects of this powerful drug that will kill you.

2. That makes no sense. Lmao it's a suicide tech that know one gas ever lived and survived. How can you be experienced? Think about what you just said..

You once thought minato defeated ever kage including hashirama (when i was the one who told you and the site hashirama was the best if all time before the war arc even started. Ofc you of all people would not want sarutobi and his hype to include minato a entire aresanal. Lol you still my guy, but it's as clear as day you're bias bro.
Being bias has nothing to do with this

1- Hiruzen didn't even know how the reaper death seal looked like until Minato talked him about it. What does it imply to you? That he never learnt the jutsu until Minato

2- He referred to the reaper death seal as Minato's jutsu. What does it imply to you?

3- You can learn and understand techniques even if they are suicidal. There are documents that Uzumakis left behind about that god of death(that even Orochimaru could use). Yes Hiruzen was inexperienced with it and you can realise the difference with Minato. Suicidal jutsu or not, Minato knew the reaper couldn't contain entire Kyubi. That's knowledge. He knew how to perfectly trigger than jutsu when Hiruzen was cavalier about it. That's the difference in knowledge. Minato could use the hand of the reaper from a distance. Hiruzen couldn't and so on and so on

4- Hiruzen's hype only includes Konoha. Uzumaki sealing jutsu come from foreign countries(Uziogakure). That Hiruzen doesn't know foreign jutsus shouldn't be surprising

5- Orochimaru(his genius student that he was teaching everything) didn't know the reaper death and Orochimaru himself was surprised of not knowledge his master's jutsu(which means he was familiar to every and each of Hiruzen's jutsu). That shows according to his knowledge, Hiruzen never had that in his arsenal. And we know Orochimaru left the village sometimes later. That Minato learnt Hiruzen the reaper meantime shouldn't be surprising

If anything you're the bias one here bro
 
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Considering that PS is a jutsu tiers above the Gokage whose combined power far surpasses Hiruzen in his prime, MS Sasuke beats him comfortably, let alone EMS Sasuke, who not even the entire Sarutobi clan can beat.
 

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Considering that PS is a jutsu tiers above the Gokage whose combined power far surpasses Hiruzen in his prime, MS Sasuke beats him comfortably, let alone EMS Sasuke, who not even the entire Sarutobi clan can beat.
Considering that Sasuke's PS doesn't have any feats or logical reasoning to be 1/6934548237452346582374th of Madara's PS, and as feats show, Hashirama beat Madara comfortably, so he would win against Sasuke as well. Let alone Hiruzen Sarutobi, who was stated to be the strongest Hokage, surpassing Hashirama.

The Professor wins low diff.
 
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Considering that Sasuke's PS doesn't have any feats or logical reasoning to be 1/6934548237452346582374th of Madara's PS, and as feats show, Hashirama beat Madara comfortably, so he would win against Sasuke as well. Let alone Hiruzen Sarutobi, who was stated to be the strongest Hokage, surpassing Hashirama.

The Professor wins low diff.
Using there own logic against them is fun isn't it? lol

Hype Prime Hype Hiruzen easily shits on sasuke low diff, mid if he wants to play around.
 

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Oh, and for the 1000th time, Hiruzen's hype regarding his ninjutsu knowledge was specifically stated to appertain to the five basic natures; the 4th databook makes that very clear.

And it doesn't say he can use all of them, just that he knows of them. And even it's referral to all doesn't literally mean all, it's just a hyperbolic construction to reinforce the idea that his knowledge of elemental ninjutsu is great.
 

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Being bias has nothing to do with this

1- Hiruzen didn't even know how the reaper death seal looked like until Minato talked him about it. What does it imply to you? That he never learnt the jutsu until Minato

2- He referred to the reaper death seal as Minato's jutsu. What does it imply to you?

3- You can learn and understand techniques even if they are suicidal. There are documents that Uzumakis left behind about that god of death(that even Orochimaru could use). Yes Hiruzen was inexperienced with it and you can realise the difference with Minato. Suicidal jutsu or not, Minato knew the reaper couldn't contain entire Kyubi. That's knowledge. He knew how to perfectly trigger than jutsu when Hiruzen was cavalier about it. That's the difference in knowledge. Minato could use the hand of the reaper from a distance. Hiruzen couldn't and so on and so on

4- Hiruzen's hype only includes Konoha. Uzumaki sealing jutsu come from foreign countries(Uziogakure). That Hiruzen doesn't know foreign jutsus shouldn't be surprising

5- Orochimaru(his genius student that he was teaching everything) didn't know the reaper death and Orochimaru himself was surprised of not knowledge his master's jutsu(which means he was familiar to every and each of Hiruzen's jutsu). That shows according to his knowledge, Hiruzen never had that in his arsenal. And we know Orochimaru left the village sometimes later. That Minato learnt Hiruzen the reaper meantime shouldn't be surprising

If anything you're the bias one here bro
1. How could Minato tell him about something he never seen? Let's use common sense now. Minato himself infact did not invent the jutsu! Nor did he ever use it till the Kyubi attack. He for a fact was either taught the signs by his wife (who for a fact taught him a shit load of sealing techs) or read on it just like every other ninja in history who wants to learn anything.

2. How was it his Jutsu? When he didn't invent it? Nor could ever practice it since he would Die. And he never stated it to be Minato's Jutsu, where did that Fanfic come from? The Databook and Viz and better translations never stated such.

3. First off, Kushina Held the Kyubi down, That right there kills your entire Argument Seeing as Hiruzen had to fight chase and defend against 3 kage level opponents. She helped him so much that day it's sad. haha

Hiruzen never not once stated or expected the Tech to be used ASAp, he knew l and wait for it to be ready to seal. Fact! He was trying not to die fighting 3 Powerful Opponents with No vision long enough for the Reaper to take effect. The Dude literally had all day with ZERO worries to talk and plan everything While the reaper gets ready. Minato used the RDS, that right there shows he had "knowledge" and knew everything about the Jutsu and the effects.

4. Yet Minato a Konaha ninja can use it and Thus means the "Konaha Jutsu" is now a Jutsu in Konaha! The Dude literally Used an Uzamaki Sealing Tech! WHAT Are you talking About???????? He knows all Jutsu in the leaf, that means every ninja in the village when he was alive and started the Hokage role; he knew every single Non KGG Jutsu. Why are you and the haters trying so hard to deny Manga Hype facts with ZERO Proof?

5. That Literally Shows Hiruzen had access to many Knowledge and things Oru didnt. The fact he has a tech to see any and everything in the village shows he would know more. He grew up to see/fight in 3 wars, Taught the 3 Sanin, was the strongest of his Time period etc etc. Ofc he was smarter and knew more then Oru! Nothing oru did surprised him besides the Jutsu Oru invented, and even then he knew the effects.

And that is retarded to even suggest Oru seen all jutsu in Konaha let alone Hiruzen entire Arsnal. lol What manga scans or databook pages state Oru knew Everything about Hiruzen? Do you not here your self? Just because he didnt know Hiruzen for a fact could use a Jutsu he never seen meant to you he didnt have it even though he literally used it and showed Oru doesnt know everything about him? Seriously, do you not here yourself???

How Am I Biased Bro? No one on this site can even compare to the amount of Ninjas I have defended (and I'm not talking about them noob post "EMS sasuke wins Mid diff" or "EMS sasuke wins because he has PS". I know you remember how we properly defended Characters back in the day, Let alone what I did. But we all know you're Biased as hell with anything Minato related!
 
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