Hiruzen vs ems sasuke
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I never said anything about him surpassing Hashirama. Three databooks say Hiruzen knows all Konoha techniques so the OP gave him that hype here. If you're not going to stick to the OPs guidelines then don't waste your time and post irrelevant shit.
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Yes, he does.
Ghost Transformation? A barrier was enough to prevent his Spirit from leaving. Soul Dragon couldn't phase through the ground, and was stopped by Susanoo, not to mention his body is vulnerable while that tech is in use. Sasuke blocks him out with Susanoo, or one shots the empty vessel with Amaterasu, meaning he has nowhere to return to, meaning he dies.
Shitty logic. Age=/=Knowledge. I could sit my ass in my house for the rest of my life, and then some young guy could travel the world and see a bunch of different shit, but by your logic, I'd have greater intel. Lol. No reason to believe Tobirama has less intel than Hiruzen when it comes to Uchiha.
-Tobirama has already shown that he knows the mechanics behind Sharingan's awakening.
-Tobirama has already shown that he can recognize the Mangekyo on sight.
-Tobirama fought Uchiha frequently.
Hiruzen did none of those things. Stop giving his intel to Hiruzen. Jesus Christ. Not to mention it's even worse if this is some "Prime" Hiruzen we are talking about, cause that decreases his age significantly.
Yeah, not 100%, and definitely not this one.
Yet fodders spit out Suiton as strong as that.
Lol, are you going to cry about dumb shit now? Not once did I ever imply this. If fodders spit out Suiton on par or greater, then there is literally nothing impressive.
Also, pretty sure the Anbu commended him on the fact that he was able to use it with no Water Source, which once again, fodders can do in Part 2. Stop taking garbage feats and hyping them up.
Cause Minato taught him you retard. That's not proof that he learned all the Uzumaki Fuuinjutsu. Minato's Fuuinjutsu is Uzumaki clan jutsu. Unless you have proof Minato taught him all those, then fall back.
Katon isn't relevant when Sasuke fights at a level far above that.
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Hiraishin doesn't do shit to Sasuke's fastest attacks. Hiraishin lets him evade, until Sasuke brings out Perfect Susanoo. Widescale attack range of the thing is more than enough to catch Hiruzen and all his "Kunai" Doesn't help that his usage will be far far inferior to Minato's due to the fact that Minato has far better reflexes than Hiruzen.
Hakke Fuuin/Shishou Fuuin=Uzumaki Clan Tech=Hiruzen does not know it unless you have other hype or proof that would support the claim. Minato teaching him one doesn't equate to him teaching them all, nor is there any hype in your precious Databook that'd lead me to believe he has the others.
Not like it's practical against a PS user anyway. You need to get the vessel on a ceremonial altar, one swing and the altar is gone along with most of Hiruzen's body.
Not to mention when it comes to Hiruzen, wankers love to take his hype, and twist it around..like being able to use all "Konoha's" Jutsu. How do you know that includes original jutsu like Hiraishin? I'll take his hype into account, but if it's directly contradicting manga, then no, I won't.
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Itachi didn't see through it. He reversed it which is a feat Sasuke hasn't shown. Also, even if Sasuke can release the Genjutsu in like 2-3 seconds, it should be more than enough for Hiruzen to twist his neck with Shadow Imitation.
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Are you sure? Plus it's useless when Uchiha have already shown the tech to use there EMS techs.
Yes I am sure. Itachi was clearly caught in Kurenai's Genjutsu. He wasn't immune to it. And just because he reversed her Genjutsu doesn't mean Sasuke can do the same. Also, we're talking about Prime Hiruzen here, not about Kurenai, so the Genjutsu would be much, much stronger. Look at what Mugen Onsa used by Kabuto did to Sasuke/Itachi.
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More like simple techniques are some of the most wanked. Not surprised that you are serious with this nonsense though.
1. Sharingan has seen through stronger Genjutsu, so it's irrelevant whether or not Itachi did or not, not to mention Mangekyo>3-Tomoe.
2. Itachi saw through it, and reversed it. If he was fooled by Genjutsu, how in the world would he know to reverse it?
3. 2-3 seconds? To break a Genjutsu you know that you are in? Lol. Sasuke breaks out of this fodder Genjutsu in a heartbeat, and if Hiruzen tries to restrain him with Shadows, he evades or breaks free with Susanoo. Hiruzen being able to land the Genjutsu, and then break Sasuke's neck with Shadows (Which have to get to their target first) before he can break out is nonsense.
4. That even assumes this Genjutsu ever lands. Pretty hard to do that to an opponent whose moves you can barely evade. Pretty hard to do that to an opponent in Susanoo. Not like Shadows can even work on an opponent in Susanoo anyway. KCM Naruto fodderized the Shadow Transformation Jutsu with a twitch. Sasuke does the same with Susanoo.
-Doesn't need to.
-Kabuto had Senjutsu, which boosts Ninjutsu. Little to no reason the Genjutsu would be far above what Kurenai showed us, especially when she herself was noted to be a pro at Genjutsu.
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Never said he was immune to it i said he could see through it. Why would it even be remotely stronger? Kabuto has senjutsu to inhance his techs Hiruzen don't stop with the none-sense.
This is Prime Hiruzen with hype allowed, so it's obvious the Genjutsu would be much, much stronger. Sasuke and Itachi knew they were caught in a Genjutsu by Kabuto, yet it still took them some time and they even had to use some cooperation to get out of it. Kurenai's Genjutsu kicks in immediately after the user weaves hand seals, unless you want to tell me that Kurenai can go invisible.
Any proof Susano'o blocks shadows? There's none.
Techniques are as strong as their user, so don't compare Prime Hiruzen using Kagemane/etc. to Shikamaru or some fodders.
Also, nothing stops Hiruzen to make another clone use Mind Transfer on Sasuke while he breaks out of Genjutsu. Stalling long enough to land Kagemane shouldn't be a problem.
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Nothing makes Hiruzen chakra more potent tha anyone else of course if you can prove me wrong which i know you can't.