We have no clue what hiruzen is capable of.. Just know he has a 5 in genjutsu in databooks and is stated to be a master of it... also, if he's smart enough to figure out the scar on third raikage, a straight extended blow with enma to the scar would put the third out of commission.. considering the extended staff pushed a tailed beast away
Hiruzen vs 3rd Raikage
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Yea I know, Though hitting someone's scar is a valid tactic, as there is a possibility that it might reopen... If the entirety of the third's body is iron hard, then try the one spot that's took damage..
The genjutsu argument still stans.. with a 5 in genjutsu and hyped mastery of it, he should be able to do something to the third..
But once again, we have NO idea what the man is capable of.. what his 1000 + jutsu are
We know he had a reputation of being stronger than A
and was dubbed God of Shinobi in the time of the Third ...says volumes
If I'm not wrong, the RasenShuriken hit him on that scar
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I do highly doubt that a hit from Enma's staff would get through to him.
And sure, he might be good at Genjutsu, but since he hasn't shown a single Genjutsu so far, we can't say for sure how he'd get the Raikage into one. It can't really be used in a debate.
Rasenshruiken does damage on a molecular level to tenetsu etc and not really on a physical level.. which is why rasengan worked and the shuriken didn't... Enma is diamond hard and hard the force to push back a 100% kyuubi out of a village, something rasengan wouldn't be able to do either
I keep trying to find the scan of Hiruzen pushing it with Enma, but I seem not to be able to find it, you know where it is :shrug:
ANd either way, there's a significant difference between pushing back and piercing through. His own attack worked so well against him due to it having such piercing power, similar to how the Chidori got through Gaara's sand. Enma might be able to push him back, but he still won't have a way of actually damaging him.
Rasengan does not have piercing power but still did the job , Enma had to strength , velocity and force necessarily to accomplish the task
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A normal human receiving that blow would die or injured critically
Wait, where does that show Enma himself pushing him ? :shrug:
And the Rasengan didn't really hurt the Raikage, Naruto simply hit a spot where the elbow automatically folds (I don't know the right word for this O_O ) The Rasengan itself did no real damage itself, the damage came from the Raikage's attack. If the Hell Stab wouldn't have been activated, he wouldn't have been harmed at all.
A normal human being also wouldn't be able to fight a Bijuu, or fight for three days straight :y
It works on celular level and yet cuts rocks and tattered Ningendou. Though working on molecular level, it still goes the way of physical damage. The Rasenshuriken is nothing but countless blades of wind chakra that penetrate you and destroys in this process the victims cells. The reason that the Rasenshuriken didn't leave damage was Raikages body that is said to be as hard as steel. The Rasengan merely deflected Sandaimes hellstab, making the Sandaime stabbing himself. Though Enma is as hard as diamond, it needs enough power to leave damage at Raikages hard body,which is above protected by his Raiton no Yoroi, which however was obsequiously to the wind element.
Just went and reread the fight,didn't even realize rasengan was used on his arm which caused him to stab himself, I take back that argument, but as I said, Hiruzen still has nothing known to deal with third raikage
Op mentioned God of Shinobi, meaning prime hiruzen , It makes no sense putting a character with only hype against one with feats...It's wrong to say konohamaru > the White fang just because the latter only has hype
Yes but using fodders and comparing them with obvious kage levels is wrong in the first place. Neither prime Hiruzen or 3rd Raikage are fodders and both are high kage level shinobi so going against Hiruzen despite his hype should be acceptable in this case.
I'll considering prime Hiruzen to be superior to the 3rd Raikage because I'm quite sure he has powerful genjutsu and sealing jutsus. He should be able to react fast enough since the 3rd Raikage's speed pales in comparison to the fourth. Still he wouldn't win with anything less than high difficulty.
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Prime hiruzen or not the third hokage has no known precognition skills, speed feats, or danger sensing abilities necessary to keep up with or react to the third raikage. This is a stomp.
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Hiruzen pushing the 9 Tails was in the anime. It never happened in the manga (which basically means it never happened).
Hiruzen's hype still stands to some extent although most of it has been diminished to the extent that its validity can be questioned at this point. I hope we get to see Hiruzen fight so that we can call it off for good. Considering the fact that prime Hiruzen has no feats, the only way we can determine whether he wins a fight is by hype but 3rd Raikage also has some insane hype so calling a victor between them is very uncertain.
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Most of his hype was vague, or from non-cannon sources. And even that seems to now be getting S#@$ on by Kishi. Look, let's be fair, I am sure he was a Kage level ninja. No doubt he wasn't weak... the thing is, at this point in the manga we have been introduced to dozens and dozens of Kage level ninja... of whom the 3rd Hokage is but one. I'm happy to accept that given his rep and circumstances (he was Kage of a major village, chosen by the obviously competent 2nd Hokage to succeed) that he wouldn't be losing to scrubs like Konohomaru, or even Jonin type guys like Hidan, Darui or Asuma (duh). But to take him against other Kage level guys, he needs an argument... one with feats to back it up, or at least a plausible explanation of how he could win. None of those things are present in a comparison with the 3rd Raikage (who let's remember, has a good rep too... he fought off 10,000 enemies for 3 days and nights).