Hiruzen the worst Hokage?

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tobirama was biased against uchihas and didnt give them any say in the running of the village they co founded. he created ET which is now being used to resurrect their greatest enemy. and he is pretty much the main reason for madara's fall.
His actions were provoked by Madara's own actions (the fight at VOTE and the many times Madara tried to attack the village before that, as was revealed in 626), he even says it. And Madara's actions were provoked by his own paranoia which ironically came true due to his own actions.

You have no proof that Tobirama created Edo Tensei during his tenure as Hokage, so that doesn't even count. Actually, using clues from the manga (when they were first revived by Orochimaru against Hiruzen, Hashirama appeared to know of the technique to the extent that himself and his brother would have to fight their successor), it was created even before he was Hokage.
 

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I agree...He did nothing for Konoha besides take oro's arms, which didnt last very long.
Really? So, he didn't protect Konoha for three Great Ninja wars? He didn't save the village from Orochimaru and his Edos? He didn't take care of Naruto? If he didn't take care of Naruto when he was young, he wouldnt have grown up this way and he would be much weaker/different.
 

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Would you allow an unstable person to be a leader?
Being an Uchiha means they become insane ones their love one dies.
thats called racism and only tobiramas belief. ive never seen an uchiha behave like this, out of the multitude that must have seen their family die in hiruzens world wars. only the actually unstable ones did this and thats a very small minority. tobirama thinks every uchiha = madara, whereas hiruzen thought every uchiha = mikoto. tobirama chose the former extreme. and thats not even what tobirama said. he said that when they do get hatred it makes them stronger. why give them the chance to have hate in the first place by keeping them away from government and giving them no real say in anything? it would only encourage madara sympathsizers that would agree that yeah "tobirama really is wanting to take us all out" and follow him into rebellion. would you think an entire clan is unstable because one person years ago turned against you?
 

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i think he might be.
2 world wars happened under his watch. one of them was apparently instigated by him (or konoha), and there was several smaller conflicts like with orochimaru, and kumo and the sand.
i mean how freaking bad a protector are you that thousands of your people have died in several invasions and wars? people bash tsunade for sending genin to get sasuke back but hell, she didnt know theyd be facing 4 full fledged bodyguards from oro or that it was oro behind sasukes fall in the first place. she couldnt send adults or the other villages would realise something was wrong, and konoha was undermanned from oro's invasion. just tsunade trying to clean up this old fuk's mess. how many genin/young chunin did he send into the meatgrinder of war?

- let orochimaru go. i wonder how many thousands of people died because of that little mistake. not to mention sasukes fall from grace was engineered by two people hiruzen had under his command at some point. thanks old coot for unleashing a second madara
- was pretty much the elder's bitch and couldnt jsut say "you know what? fuk you. we're doing this my way. we arent gonna segegrate uchihas/start a world war/allow danzo to keep his anbus.
- allowed danzo to keep in a seat of power, despite his obvious corrupt tendencies. danzo outright said to hiruzens face he still had anbu under his command. and hiruzen does nothing
- allowed the village to lose its two strongest fighters, tsunade and jiraiya to world wanderings for decades. yeah dont bother protecting the village and hunting down these traitors or anything.
- made itachi leave for no reason given he didnt give them anything of worth about akatsuki and is the worst spy in history, leaving konoha to pretty much fight them blind
- allowed naruto to be hated and abused for most of his childhood instead of you know, respecting minato.
for some reasons there are no worst hokage even tsunade they are appointed it means they have the will of fire and the best pick to that position stop making non sense thread -rep
 

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So, he didn't protect Konoha for three Great Ninja wars? He
no. because konoha wasnt the battlefield and nagato said konha started the second one.

He didn't save the village from Orochimaru and his Edos
nope. oro won.

He didn't take care of Naruto?
he didnt help him or protect him from being hated by everyone

His actions were provoked by Madara's own actions (the fight at VOTE and the many times Madara tried to attack the village before that, as was revealed in 626), he even says it. And Madara's actions were provoked by his own paranoia which ironically came true due to his own actions.
trying to supress a second madara ensured one would arise. ironic
 

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i think he might be.
2 world wars happened under his watch. one of them was apparently instigated by him (or konoha), and there was several smaller conflicts like with orochimaru, and kumo and the sand.
i mean how freaking bad a protector are you that thousands of your people have died in several invasions and wars? people bash tsunade for sending genin to get sasuke back but hell, she didnt know theyd be facing 4 full fledged bodyguards from oro or that it was oro behind sasukes fall in the first place. she couldnt send adults or the other villages would realise something was wrong, and konoha was undermanned from oro's invasion. just tsunade trying to clean up this old fuk's mess. how many genin/young chunin did he send into the meatgrinder of war?

- let orochimaru go.
i wonder how many thousands of people died because of that little mistake. not to mention sasukes fall from grace was engineered by two people hiruzen had under his command at some point. thanks old coot for unleashing a second madara
- was pretty much the elder's bitch and couldnt jsut say "you know what? fuk you. we're doing this my way. we arent gonna segegrate uchihas/start a world war/allow danzo to keep his anbus.
- allowed danzo to keep in a seat of power, despite his obvious corrupt tendencies. danzo outright said to hiruzens face he still had anbu under his command. and hiruzen does nothing
- allowed the village to lose its two strongest fighters, tsunade and jiraiya to world wanderings for decades. yeah dont bother protecting the village and hunting down these traitors or anything.
- made itachi leave for no reason given he didnt give them anything of worth about akatsuki and is the worst spy in history, leaving konoha to pretty much fight them blind
- allowed naruto to be hated and abused for most of his childhood instead of you know, respecting minato.
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Tobirama told him to protect those who love the village, not hurt them. Orochimaru was one of them.

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Why do I think Orochimaru loved the village? He cried when he faced Hiruzen the next time.
 

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i think he might be.
2 world wars happened under his watch. one of them was apparently instigated by him (or konoha), and there was several smaller conflicts like with orochimaru, and kumo and the sand.
i mean how freaking bad a protector are you that thousands of your people have died in several invasions and wars? people bash tsunade for sending genin to get sasuke back but hell, she didnt know theyd be facing 4 full fledged bodyguards from oro or that it was oro behind sasukes fall in the first place. she couldnt send adults or the other villages would realise something was wrong, and konoha was undermanned from oro's invasion. just tsunade trying to clean up this old fuk's mess. how many genin/young chunin did he send into the meatgrinder of war?

1) let orochimaru go. i wonder how many thousands of people died because of that little mistake. not to mention sasukes fall from grace was engineered by two people hiruzen had under his command at some point. thanks old coot for unleashing a second madara
2) was pretty much the elder's bitch and couldnt jsut say "you know what? fuk you. we're doing this my way. we arent gonna segegrate uchihas/start a world war/allow danzo to keep his anbus.
3) allowed danzo to keep in a seat of power, despite his obvious corrupt tendencies. danzo outright said to hiruzens face he still had anbu under his command. and hiruzen does nothing
4) allowed the village to lose its two strongest fighters, tsunade and jiraiya to world wanderings for decades. yeah dont bother protecting the village and hunting down these traitors or anything.
5) made itachi leave for no reason given he didnt give them anything of worth about akatsuki and is the worst spy in history, leaving konoha to pretty much fight them blind
6) allowed naruto to be hated and abused for most of his childhood instead of you know, respecting minato.
1) Agreed
2)The Uchiha's were already segregated so there wasn't much he could do about that. I'm not sure what world war he started so please let me know. Danzo had to use Anbu because they did the missions that the normal ninjas couldn't do.
3)Danzo had Anbu under his control for decades so they would only listen to him.
4)They weren't traitors because they didn't abandon the village. Jiraya was traveling learning information about Akatsuki whil Tsunade was training he prodigy and increasing her Medical jutsu skills.
5)Purely made up.
6)The villagers would've hated Naruto regardless of Hiruzen's intervention. Also, Naruto was a nuisance. Had he done respectable things like being nice and helpful to the villagers and behave like his father then the villagers wouldn't have hated him.
 

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Tsunade is the worst Kage.
I don't even think we should be ranking hokage, they are all strong in their own right believe it or not we have seen that most (except tobirama) can do.

We can't compare their works and what they had to handle, because they were hokage at different times with different threats. I think they all handled their confrontations pretty well, yes even Tsunade who just 'healed people who got revived anyway' she kept alot of people alive and i think her madara battle with the other kage makes up for us not seeing her fight then. The whole point of that thing was to show off narutos sage mode anyways.
 

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Hiruzen is the worst Hokage? This is utter garbage.

Longest reigning Hokage (this is enough too put him above most kage)

Mastered every Konoha technique

Trained by the Senju bros

Stopped Orochimaru + 2 edo kage by himself.

Saved the village from the fox with Minato's help.


Tsunade did not confront Pain during that whoole saga. She is the worst Kage...
 

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I still think the worst was Tobirama... he basically caused Itachi to have to kill all of the Uchia Clan. The whole Sauske wanting to destroy the Leaf thing, Itachi being marked as a traitor thing, all his fault. He caused a ton of problems in the future.
 
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