Hiruzen, the Professor, performing every jutsu in Konoha?

[TheBrightSide]

For once, I actually disagree with him.

Answer this, you believe Hiruzen could use Lightning Blade?....Kakashi's original technique

I believe he means the original konoha jutsu brought from the Senju. Raikiri is Kakashi's original technique. I doubt he knew it. Still, he knows most of Konohas original techniques and the thread presents more than enough evidence to show that. I didnt really believe much of Hiruzen's hype before that either but there is evidence not to mentuon what the manga says itself. Hard to argue all that.

 

[Owarij]

I agree with that.

I believe Enma and Reaper Death Seal however, were his strongest/most effective moves.

updated my post

 

[Waltz]

Your referring to Blaze's thread? Apparently you have reading comprehension issues, if the OP is your argument.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Enma was strong enough not only to break it, but fast enough to protect him (cage form) in the few seconds when he really needed it... As enma said hiruzen was definitely not giving it his A game even in old age.. he was slacking off and thinking of things, letting his guard down...if enma wasn't out at that moment he'd of probably died , considering he wouldnt be able to use any handseals to cast anything


Also I think you misunderstood the argument and what blaze is trying to say
Hiruzen never learned ALL jutsu in konoha

Never stated...

Hiruzen did learn all konoha jutsu.. every village has their OWN jutsu..
Kakuzu stole his village's jutsu
Deidara stole his village's jutsu
Kisame said kakashi copied his VILLAGE'S jutsu

Hiruzen learned only the leaf's unique jutsu... which mostlikely the bunch that the senju clan passed down..

All hiden techs etc and kkg abilities seem to be passed down in their own clans rather than in the leaf village itself...

The databook statement for gentle fist said it's a style passed down to hyuugas only... this isn't what blaze argued hiruzen learned...all of those hidden clans etc came from elsewhere, their techs, their fighting style aren't konoha jutsu, it isn't passed down to all konoha ninja... though they are part of konoha, they keep to themselves..

I understood that, he even said it didnt include the secret techs, I was just stating that he didnt know all the current jutsu in the time we've seen him, the jutsu that we actually have seen, so the jutsu shown in part 1 and so forth cannot be used in versus threads involving him.

And yea I agree

 

[ShaneEyyy]

I believe he means the original konoha jutsu brought from the Senju. Raikiri is Kakashi's original technique. I doubt he knew it. Still, he knows most of Konohas original techniques and the thread presents more than enough evidence to show that. I didnt really believe much of Hiruzen's hype before that either but there is evidence not to mentuon what the manga says itself. Hard to argue all that.

True, but that being said, wasn't Blaze in the end of his argument trying to infer that since Hiruzen knew all of Konoha's original jutsu, so he was stronger than Hashirama? If the jutsu passed down were from the Senju, then Hashirama has them too, plus he has his Mokuton so I still believe Hashirama is the strongest Hokage.

Your referring to Blaze's thread? Apparently you have reading comprehension issues, if the OP is your argument.

Oh

 

[Owarij]

I understood that, he even said it didnt include the secret techs, I was just stating that he didnt know all the current jutsu in the time we've seen him, the jutsu that we actually have seen, so the jutsu shown in part 1 and so forth cannot be used in versus threads involving him.

Yup, he doesn't know the current jutsu...that's why oro said the hype in past tense, the only jutsu I would argue he could know is rasengan... and that's only because it's basic chakra control..even kakashi was able to reproduce it...Nonetheless , still conjecture..

he most likely does not know how to use ftg, etc...Though he continued learning jutsu even after his prime state had passed (shiki fujin) , we don't know to what extent he continued ..minato, since he created shikifujin , would have written it down in the forbidden techs scroll, and possibly after his death hiruzen read and learned it

That could be an example of hokages passing down techs in those scrolls..

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Yup, he doesn't know the current jutsu...that's why oro said the hype in past tense, the only jutsu I would argue he could know is rasengan... and that's only because it's basic chakra control..even kakashi was able to reproduce it...Nonetheless , still conjecture..

he most likely does not know how to use ftg, etc...Though he continued learning jutsu even after his prime state had passed (shiki fujin) , we don't know to what extent he continued ..minato, since he created shikifujin , would have written it down in the forbidden techs scroll, and possibly after his death hiruzen read and learned it

That could be an example of hokages passing down techs in those scrolls..

Oh yea you're right, Minato probably did write it down because those 3 chuunin were able to use FTG during this war going on, it would be no surprise if Hiruzen actually did know that technique.

 

[Owarij]

Oh yea you're right, Minato probably did write it down because those 3 chuunin were able to use FTG during this war going on, it would be no surprise if Hiruzen actually did know that technique.

Yeaa, Minato knew of tobirama's s/t jutsu, and what it was capable of and it's level , how ? he as hokage would have also had access to the scrolls, and there is a konoha library , jutsu are definitely being passed on.. information etc
hiruzen's feat is basically sitting down in his chair, and reading all those scrolls etc and learning them all , or so the manga says thus the professor title

 

[TheBrightSide]

True, but that being said, wasn't Blaze in the end of his argument trying to infer that since Hiruzen knew all of Konoha's original jutsu, so he was stronger than Hashirama? If the jutsu passed down were from the Senju, then Hashirama has them too, plus he has his Mokuton so I still believe Hashirama is the strongest Hokage.



Oh

I believe at the end he said Hiruzen was only known as the professor of shinobi because he embodied all the values and skill of a ninja. Not necessarily that he was the strongest, but that he was the most well rounded. Obviously based on hype alone Hashirama is his superior in battle.

 

[Waltz]

Oh

You said you disagree with the thread.

The thread was thoroughly explained. He wasn't referring to every jutsu that existed in the leaf, he was referring to the jutsu associated with konoha/Konoha's jutsu and made very valid points. Although, i disagree with him that hiruzen could've learned and master that share magnitude of Jutsu during his 47 years as hokage.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

You said you disagree with the thread.

The thread was thoroughly explained. He wasn't referring to every jutsu that existed in the leaf, he was referring to the jutsu associated with konoha/Konoha's jutsu and made very valid points. Although, i disagree with him that hiruzen could've learned and master that share magnitude of Jutsu during his 47 years as hokage.

I disagree with him on that too, which is why I disagree with Blaze, for that reason.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

I believe at the end he said Hiruzen was only known as the professor of shinobi because he embodied all the values and skill of a ninja. Not necessarily that he was the strongest, but that he was the most well rounded. Obviously based on hype alone Hashirama is his superior in battle.

Perhaps, but that's debatable. Hashirama still had his insane ninjutsu, his mokuton that could even stop the kyuubi. We've seen plenty of other of his Mokuton techs too, they are OP. Hashirama was also able to use Medical Ninjutsu that Madara even said was on another level than Tsunade's, Hashirama could heal himself without any hand seals, thats crazy, hence why his powers were said to be fairy tale. His Taijutsu was also very good, he had great physical strength and had to be very fast if not faster than Hiruzen to keep up with Madara's Sharingan. His Genjutsu was also very good, he could use Bringer of Darkness and blind opponents, then sense them and attack them while they are blind, similar to Zabuza's Hidden Mist and Silent Killing tech. It's also safe to say Hashirama had more chakra than Hiruzen, being a Senju and all and making a valley. His intelligence is probably also on par too.

I say overall, Hashirama is just the stronger of the 2 and more well rounded