Lol neither Hashi nor Tobria was at full power, Tobria did not use FTG and Hashi did not use Buddah or Dragon. Like PPDG said, he's not in the top 10 and never will be. His feats as opposed to those in the top 10 is mere child's play and Prime Hiruzen is still featless
Nothing to give huh? Oh wait, of course you're gonna use the last chapter, because that's all you have lawl
I made a thread months ago with all his feats and hype. Him defeating two weakened 1st/2nd hokages + orochimaru at the same time is a feat within itself. I say defeating in the sense that orochimaru called off the invasion as soon as the third hokage died from sealing his jutsus.
Obviously this was before it stated they weren't. Either way you didn't refute any of his feats that I stated. So you definitely have no argument to stand on.
Is this seriously your argument against hiruzen? That's it?
Refer to my sig please
Why do I need to refute feats that make up his credibility as a ninja? I don't need to because that is his feats as a ninja :|
So, wait... you'd rather us come up with statements and turn them into facts based off of SPECULATION rather than RAW EVIDENCE?
Do I wank Hiruzen? No. Do I believe his ability to use all elements is a feat? Yes. Do I believe your accusations of being "featless" are wrong? Yes.
You're just ready to hype the shit outta hiruzen, but the fact is we saw him use a fire jutsu of that magnitude on part 1 and it required hand signs, kishi had a lot of action going on in that 1 page and couldn't be bothered to show each clone weaving individual signs, if you think hiruzen used all of that with no hand signs then honestly there's no point in even trying to argue with you.
A commonly accepted definition for "god tier" is:
No, we have facts for the Sage that is proven throughout the manga. Perhaps I worded it wrong so allow me rephrase. Hiruzen is featless to be anywhere at the top 10 level. Better?
Lawl at bold
I do things factually through the manga. Trying to state he didn't do something because it wasn't shown is stupid. You can argue something with no evidence. Fact is he isn't shown using signs therefore he didn't use signs until otherwise.
I'm not speculating what prime hiruzen could of been. Prime hiruzen just had ridiculous amounts of chakra reserves. Edo tensei has unlimited. So what prime hiruzen can do edo tensei can do as well. Hiruzen made the invasion of Konoha a failure by taking away all of Orochimaru's ninjutsu capabilities.
I am with you with the hand signs,he most likely used them off panel,but he did it real quick.
Juuobtio also basically instantly fodderized everyone else at some point or another. He needed what.. .the WHOLE ALLIANCE to be taken down.
what evidence? we see one pic of Hiruzen weaving a sign and in the very next set of pics show 5 clones using 5 elements, obviously there was a small time lapse in what actually transpired, you fapboys are just so thirsty for feats you automatically assume he did all of that with no hand signs, I honestly don't care either way but we'll see exactly what happens when this hits anime, but obviously you Hiruzen fanatics aren't going to listen to any reason so I'm out.
Lawl at how you changed your response. Didn't you just say
In no way shape or form is Hiruzen competing with the following
Because he couldn't win
I said in my first post his 5 elements were impressive, but his fanboyz are fapping a little too hard to actually claim he did all of this without even using signs, I'm just saying, that you can only get so much info from a page and kishi isn't going to draw every single little detail, ppl just amaze me how they fail to read between the lines, I'm not downplaying him, but lets not get ahead of ourselves and claim he used several jutsu's of such a magnitude without even using any signs.
