Hiruzen strongest kage as said in manga(but not ideal in some cases)PROOF
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Narutohokage7
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Madara would of known about Hizuren, he had Zetsu spies all over the place.
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Orch. Did not master edo tensi like kabuto..there for hirzuen didnt have fight the 1st and 2nd hokages at full power..hes strong but not stronger then hashi
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Hashi and tobirama were FULLY POWERED and PERFECTED EDO's there are NO differences between kabuto's version and oro's except for quantity. Everyone who said "Madara didn't mention that hizuren could stop him therefore he's not in hashi's league" needs to GTFO. Justu are used for the situation its necessary for just because u have a strong or OP justu doesn't mean u should use it. Hizuren stated that their power were just as great as when they were alive, yet everyone ignores this. Feats and justu aren't what win a fight. Granted oro controlling the edos were the very thing that put hizuren in danger were also the very thing that gave him an edge. But a 70 year old man who wasn't even resolved enough to kill his favorite student who he consider a son, fought against two legendary kages plus oro at the SAME time while dealing with his own inner demons and Severely handicapped, still came out of that fight with his primary objective cleared (protecting konoha). I'd say that's a pretty amazing feat on its own. And I'd like to see anyone else who could've done the same.
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Lol! of course he did, Madara was alive during the third shinobi war, that"s when he met Obito, and guess what, Hiruzen was in his so called prime at that time, or before, which changes nothing, since Madara was alive that whole time.
Stop making excusesw for Hiruzen, he is weak!
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Madara knew all of the 5 Hokages. But he had seen the Reign of 3 Hokages.
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Orpchimaru wasn't able to ressurect the first and secong hojage during their prime, he just summon them thats all. kABUTO IS THE ONE WHO CAN RESSURRECT NINJA IN THEIR PRIME. ALSO THE THIRD HOKAGE CALLED THE PROFESSOR WOULD OF BEEN ABLE TO BATTLE AGAINST THE FIRST AND SECOND.
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None of em ****ing with minato.
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so hiruzen god of shinobi....hashi was a fairy tail, like so6p...nobody believed their power...fairytail>god....god just meant he was strongest of his time....(we know he op based on hype)
also pay attention it says KAGE NOT HOkage....that meant he could beat the mizukage raikage kazekage and tsuchikage, being the greatest ninja of his time....and madara was still alive when minato likely became hokage....so he knew about hiruzens feats as well...so when he said only hashi could beat him he meant it
orochimaru was toying with hiruzen thats why he "beat" 2 kages...(atcually he tied since he also would die after sealing them....)
so he never beat the edo kages just tied...
3rd.....how is it possible that edo madara uses wood techiniques like 4-20 times as big as what hashi used in the fight vs hiruzen....i under stand the powerscaling but it only shows that oro was toying with them....
also we know that a edo that wants to fight and isnt controlled is stronger than edo that is....kinimaru and madara and deidara are prime examples...madara wouldnt have shown such op moves if he wiped madaras consciousness..hashi and tobirama were at least a little bit weakened by having their consciousness wiped since the user must have knoledge of their techniques...
simply this hashi is still most likely stronger than hiruzen and hiruzen is probably better than all the other kages(minato we dont know...since he so fast and very little of his fighting we have seen)
also pay attention it says KAGE NOT HOkage....that meant he could beat the mizukage raikage kazekage and tsuchikage, being the greatest ninja of his time....and madara was still alive when minato likely became hokage....so he knew about hiruzens feats as well...so when he said only hashi could beat him he meant it
orochimaru was toying with hiruzen thats why he "beat" 2 kages...(atcually he tied since he also would die after sealing them....)
so he never beat the edo kages just tied...
3rd.....how is it possible that edo madara uses wood techiniques like 4-20 times as big as what hashi used in the fight vs hiruzen....i under stand the powerscaling but it only shows that oro was toying with them....
also we know that a edo that wants to fight and isnt controlled is stronger than edo that is....kinimaru and madara and deidara are prime examples...madara wouldnt have shown such op moves if he wiped madaras consciousness..hashi and tobirama were at least a little bit weakened by having their consciousness wiped since the user must have knoledge of their techniques...
simply this hashi is still most likely stronger than hiruzen and hiruzen is probably better than all the other kages(minato we dont know...since he so fast and very little of his fighting we have seen)