Hiruzen Sarutobi: "The GOD of shinobi" arguments

[LegendaryAce]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Hashirama is taming the beasts while Hiruzen is pushing away Kurama. It's two different things, I doubt Hashirama and EMS Madara could physically pushed away Coomplete Kurama.

Erm hiruzen didnt do it by himself he had help from a summon one of the strongest summons ...its like saying hashi can push it with his wood..or madara can push it with susano

 

[lonewolf77766]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

ems madara would kill hiruzen with low difficulty.

Are you Kishimoto?

 

[edgarmagician]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

ems madara would kill hiruzen with low difficulty.

LOL In your Narutoverse, probably. In the real Naruto, no way.
Hiruzen > Hashirama > EMS Madara

 

[lonewolf77766]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Erm hiruzen didnt do it by himself he had help from a summon one of the strongest summons ...its like saying hashi can push it with his wood..or madara can push it with susano

Are you saying the other fodder ninja pushed it too? It's very unlikely as the other fodder ninja were for diversions and setting up traps.

Please explain me why Kurama was pushed away in a straight path.

 

[NarutoLuffy313]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Hashirama is taming the beasts while Hiruzen is pushing away Kurama. It's two different things, I doubt Hashirama and EMS Madara could physically pushed away Coomplete Kurama.

Taming a Bijuus by yourself is a better feat than the whole village pushing Kurama out.

What does controlling the Bijuu has to do with Hashirama being stronger than Hiruzen? That was a special ability that hashi had. Unless he fights Hiruzen with a Bijuu, Hashirama has nothing on Hiruzen as demonstrated during the chunnin exams.

Tell me bring me a feat of Hiruzen where it is on the level of the pollen jutsu that madara used on kages that belonged to Hashirama.

 

[TheSages456]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

LOL In your Narutoverse, probably. In the real Naruto, no way.
Hiruzen > Hashirama > EMS Madara

LOL

hashirama>ems madara>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hiruzen

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Are you saying the other fodder ninja pushed it too? It's very unlikely as the other fodder ninja were for diversions and setting up traps.

Please explain me why Kurama was pushed away in a straight path.

When i said he didnt do it by himself i meant emna? ...unless you're saying he pushed it with his bare hands ...and what do you think would have happened after he poked it? angry kurama = no konoha TBB spam would have killed sarutobi then what?

 

[lonewolf77766]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

When i said he didnt do it by himself i meant emna? ...unless you're saying he pushed it with his bare hands ...and what do you think would have happened after he poked it? angry kurama = no konoha TBB spam would have killed sarutobi then what?

Isn't it obvious? Hiruzen was holding Enma and Kurama was pushed away in a straight path. Enma is part of Hiruzen's arsenal. The other fodder ninja was for diversions and setting up traps.

 

[lonewolf77766]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Taming a Bijuus by yourself is a better feat than the whole village pushing Kurama out.

I guess you don't know the word taming. And how would Hiruzen tame it, is he a mokuton or sharingan user? It's more on ability not raw power.

Tell me bring me a feat of Hiruzen where it is on the level of the pollen jutsu that madara used on kages that belonged to Hashirama.

Tell Hashirama to use that on Hiruzen, then we would know which one of his 1000 jutsu he would use.

 

[TobisPawn]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

yup. hashirama beat the strongest uchiha in history who has the strongest susano:

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he also did this with the 100% kyuubi rampaging trying to kill him(which is the strongest tailed beast btw). even edo tensei madara is still giving praise to hashirama and he said that hashirama would give him a better challenge than the 5 current kage. nice try to underrate hashirama though.

Hashirama restrained Kurama, and Mito sealed it into her.

Yeah, he beat an EMS user. Woah! Even if EMS Madara>Hiruzen, that doesn't make Hashirama>Hiruzen. A>B>C does not mean A>C.

I'm underrating Hashirama? If anything, you're completely disregarding all of Hiruzen's hype and focusing on some bogus, debunked "myth" theory.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Isn't it obvious? Hiruzen was holding Enma and Kurama was pushed away in a straight path. Enma is part of Hiruzen's arsenal. The other fodder ninja was for diversions and setting up traps.

Exacly mokuton is hashirama's arsenal he can push it back and supress it ..

Hashirama restrained Kurama, and Mito sealed it into her.

Yeah, he beat an EMS user. Woah! Even if EMS Madara>Hiruzen, that doesn't make Hashirama>Hiruzen. A>B>C does not mean A>C.

I'm underrating Hashirama? If anything, you're completely disregarding all of Hiruzen's hype and focusing on some bogus, debunked "myth" theory.

Sorry but i saw Hiruzen>hashirama>ems madara > everyone else ...what kinda bullshit is this

 

[lonewolf77766]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Exacly mokuton is hashirama's arsenal he can push it back and supress it ..

Mokuton would tame Kurama, not physically overpower. It's entirely different from Hiruzen who couldn't even tame Kurama.

 

[NarutoLuffy313]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

I guess you don't know the word taming. And how would Hiruzen tame it, is he a mokuton or sharingan user? It's more on ability not raw power.



Tell Hashirama to use that on Hiruzen, then we would know which one of his 1000 jutsu he would use.

That's not a huge feat. Kakashi knows a 1000 jutsu, you think he can be Hashirama because he has a 1000 jutsu.
Hiruzen doesn't deserve that "God of Shinobi" Title.
Onooki has shown more feats and durability than Hiruzen ever did.
If he was God Of Shinobi he would have won that fight with Orochimaru.

Hashirama restrained Kurama, and Mito sealed it into her.

Yeah, he beat an EMS user. Woah! Even if EMS Madara>Hiruzen, that doesn't make Hashirama>Hiruzen. A>B>C does not mean A>C.

I'm underrating Hashirama? If anything, you're completely disregarding all of Hiruzen's hype and focusing on some bogus, debunked "myth" theory.

If we are going by hype, Hashirama takes this by far.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

So Hiruzen vs tobi ? what you sarutobi fans say?

 

[TheSages456]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Hashirama restrained Kurama, and Mito sealed it into her.

Yeah, he beat an EMS user. Woah! Even if EMS Madara>Hiruzen, that doesn't make Hashirama>Hiruzen. A>B>C does not mean A>C.

I'm underrating Hashirama? If anything, you're completely disregarding all of Hiruzen's hype and focusing on some bogus, debunked "myth" theory.

hashirama sealed kurama in mito after hashirama beat madara. ems madara is on a much higher level than hiruzen. if hashirama can beat madara then he can beat hiruzen. not all of the fights in naruto are matchups. hashiramas power was a myth so people obviously did not believe in his strength and would rather believe hiruzen was the strongest. this concept is not very hard to grasp. you are in denail.

 

[lonewolf77766]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

That's not a huge feat. Kakashi knows a 1000 jutsu, you think he can be Hashirama because he has a 1000 jutsu.
Hiruzen doesn't deserve that "God of Shinobi" Title.
Onooki has shown more feats and durability than Hiruzen ever did.
If he was God Of Shinobi he would have won that fight with Orochimaru.

Hiruzen won because Orochimaru failed to destroy Konoha and his arms were sealed.

Just like Byakugan, Hiruzen's tracking ability is way above the Sharingan and his Taijutsu is way above Kakashi because he can put exploding tags without anyone knowing it.

 

[senju tobirama10]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

hashirama sealed kurama in mito after hashirama beat madara. ems madara is on a much higher level than hiruzen. if hashirama can beat madara then he can beat hiruzen. not all of the fights in naruto are matchups. hashiramas power was a myth so people obviously did not believe in his strength and would rather believe hiruzen was the strongest. this concept is not very hard to grasp. you are in denail.

Hashirama didn't seal the Kurama in Mito. Mito sealed it inside of her by herself.

 

[soulreaper11]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Ill be fair lets do this.
Hiruzen
God of shinobi
Professor ( knows all jutsus)
Strongest kage
Strongest hokage(i dont believe this but yes its said in the manga)
Hiruzen was one of the most powerful shinobi in history

Hashirama
Strongest of his era
Strongest shinobi
Him and his brother Strongest shinobi
Only one who can stop madara(dan statement not saying its true)
Fairy tale like strength (myth) no shinobi of his level alive anymore
most powerful shinobi of his era

if people give me more ill add ...if you're gonna put hype put all you know for both characters ...these are from the manga weather or not they ara right they are still stated
This is probably gona be deleted : if you accept one of the other accept the other one too ...if you know more please do tell (They are equal till proven otherwise)

hiruzen why 3 reasons
1.beat the hashirama and tobimaru in the fight against oro
2.What the **** does DAN know about hashirama strength he was a kid in the Academy when hashirama was still alive. 27 when he was last alive and before that time hashirama was dead.
3.the hype came from good sources one kabuto is a well in form person and has been traveling all his live and he knows about every village backyard so it make sense for him to know who the strongest kage is.
Two Iruka is a teacher and to be a teacher you have to know what you are talking about and for him to say that means he has the knowledge to make such a statement.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

people are overrating hiruzen like fck...there really is no changing anyones mind its either hashi or hiruzen...+ hiruzen fans underrate hashirama so much even a fodder would beat him in their minds

 

[lonewolf77766]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

people are overrating hiruzen like fck...there really is no changing anyones mind its either hashi or hiruzen...+ hiruzen fans underrate hashirama so much even a fodder would beat him in their minds

I don't even think Hiruzen have a fanbase for these reasons:

1.) He is 70 yrs old

2.) He isn't charismatic

3.) He isn't getting any hype in part 2

4.) He died in part 1

5.) His Jutsu are almost ordinary



The reason we are siding with Hiruzen is because this is canon, reality, fact and stated by Kishimoto himself. Otherwise,

Kishimoto >>>> You