Hiruzen Sarutobi: "The GOD of shinobi" arguments

[Naruto9001]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

By your Logic, Not even Edo Madara is on hashirama's level.

It's not my logic it's Kishi's logic Edo Madara has Hashi's powers and his own so of course his stronger than him im just saying all of the other edos aren't.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

I give up if people cant accept a draw i have nothing else ..

 

[Exaar]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

It's not my logic it's Kishi's logic Edo Madara has Hashi's powers and his own so of course his stronger than him im just saying all of the other edos aren't.

Nothing kabuto said Excludes Madara from his Statement.

If you go by the Logic that Kabuto was including his Edo tensei, Then Hashirama is on another level to Edo madara also.

I think Kabuto was just talking about the current Living shinobi.
Edo's excluded.

 

[TheSages456]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Nothing kabuto said Excludes Madara from his Statement.

If you go by the Logic that Kabuto was including his Edo tensei, Then Hashirama is on another level to Edo madara also.

I think Kabuto was just talking about the current Living shinobi.
Edo's excluded.

you are just hyping hashirama even more and helping arguments for hashirama. if hashirama>tobi then hashirama would definitely beat hiruzen.

 

[Owarij]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

No Hashirama is also the strongest of this generation too Kabuto said there aren't any shinobi like him which means Nagato,Itachi and all the edos he brought back aren't on his level. I think BM Naruto and Tobi can beat him though since Kabuto never saw them fight but Hashirama is obviously to > Nagato. Here's the proof

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Well 1, Nagato is dead..

but most of all , look at the context kabuto just said that in..

"All the people agree with that"

For "People " to agree with something , the ninjas being compared had to be known by everyone..

Ninjas like kakashi, Itachi all the kages, those are ninjas who fall under kabuto's comment..

However ninjas like nagato etc, who little to NOONE knew about...Even the people in his village never really saw him fight.. they just knew there was some "god" .... The statement can't possibly refer to him...nor tobi etc

 

[Naruto9001]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Nothing kabuto said Excludes Madara from his Statement.

If you go by the Logic that Kabuto was including his Edo tensei, Then Hashirama is on another level to Edo madara also.

I think Kabuto was just talking about the current Living shinobi.
Edo's excluded.

Yes it does because Kabuto knows Hashirama and Madara are the strongest shinobi ever and that's why he made the fusion between them so they would be unstoppable so because Edo Madara is part of Hashi's power Hashi's obviously not stronger. His stronger than the other edos because Kabuto never hyped up any of them like he did with Hashi and Edo Madara.

 

[Naruto9001]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Well 1, Nagato is dead..

but most of all , look at the context kabuto just said that in..

"All the people agree with that"

For "People " to agree with something , the ninjas being compared had to be known by everyone..

Ninjas like kakashi, Itachi all the kages, those are ninjas who fall under kabuto's comment..

However ninjas like nagato etc, who little to NOONE knew about...Even the people in his village never really saw him fight.. they just knew there was some "god" .... The statement can't possibly refer to him...nor tobi etc

But they did know he killed the legendary Hanzo who defeated the sanin when they were in there prime. Jiraya thought it was impossible for Hanzo to be defeated. Also you dont become god just like that someone obviously knew about his strength.

 

[TobisPawn]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

hashirama is stronger until proven otherwise.

LOL I think it should be the other way around.

actually by definition myth>god. hiruzen isnt a god anyway with his feats.

And Hashirama's feats would be...? Being called a fairytale by Kabuto?

 

[TheSages456]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

LOL I think it should be the other way around.

nope its already been proven that hashirama is stronger based on superior hype and feats.

 

[Owarij]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

But they did know he killed the legendary Hanzo who defeated the sanin when they were in there prime. Jiraya thought it was impossible for Hanzo to be defeated. Also you dont become god just like that someone obviously knew about his strength.

noone knew about him.. They just know that the "god, killed hanzo and all his people..

Jiraya couldn't get anything from the people he captured...

 

[TobisPawn]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

nope its already been proven that hashirama is stronger based on superior hype and feats.

Oh, beating an EMS user after suppressing Kurama and taking control of him, then having his gay lover praising him, then being called a fairytale by a 23 year old guy justifying his Madara + Hashirama creating >>> Sealing Edo Hashirama and Tobirama (in their primes) and still putting up a fight with Oro at the age of 70, being called the God of Shinobi, and knowing every jutsu that existed in Konoha?

Some logic you use.

 

[lonewolf77766]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

How can they be equal if Hiruzen beat Hashirama already? This is fact and canon, Hiruzen beat Hashirama.

Hiruzen tracked down the two former Hokage and Orohimaru under Hashirama Senju's Bringer-of-Darkness Technique, I don't think even Sharingan could do that.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

old Hiruzens final battle proved that they are not equal

 

[Naruto9001]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

noone knew about him.. They just know that the "god, killed hanzo and all his people..

Jiraya couldn't get anything from the people he captured...

Exactly there god which is Pain so they knew about him killing Hanzo. Kabuto does alot of research he most likely who this god who killed Hanzo was ontop of that his a rinnegan user anyone with the rinnegan is automatically in the top 10 for him to give Hashi higher praise than someone with the rinnegan means his pretty damn strong.

 

[edgarmagician]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

In my opinion and according to what the Manga stated, Hiruzen is stronger than Hashirama.

Hiruzen learned from the 1st and the 2nd Hokages. Saying that Hashirama can beat Hiruzen is like saying that Kakashi can beat Naruto.

Hiruzen was the longest living Hokage, which means he fought and lived through three ninja wars. Hashirama lived, maybe, through one. (maybe he died in that one, who knows)

Hiruzen was a genious who knew all the Jutsus in Konoha (With the exeption of bloodline limits, I assume) Just think about that statement for a while.

He trained and taught the Sannin, obviously in the top 10 strongest Ninjas in Konoha. Aside of Hiruzen, who else did the first trained?

Anyways, those are some of my observations.

 

[TheSages456]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Oh, beating an EMS user after suppressing Kurama and taking control of him, then having his gay lover praising him, then being called a fairytale by a 23 year old guy justifying his Madara + Hashirama creating >>> Sealing Edo Hashirama and Tobirama (in their primes) and still putting up a fight with Oro at the age of 70, being called the God of Shinobi, and knowing every jutsu that existed in Konoha?

Some logic you use.

yup. hashirama beat the strongest uchiha in history who has the strongest susano:

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he also did this with the 100% kyuubi rampaging trying to kill him(which is the strongest tailed beast btw). even edo tensei madara is still giving praise to hashirama and he said that hashirama would give him a better challenge than the 5 current kage. nice try to underrate hashirama though.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

It's not my logic it's Kishi's logic Edo Madara has Hashi's powers and his own so of course his stronger than him im just saying all of the other edos aren't.

Kishi never said Hashirama was stronger than all the Edos

Thats your logic

 

[edgarmagician]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

old Hiruzens final battle proved that they are not equal

Thanks people just don't want to accept this fact + rep. Prepare yourself, Everyone is going to come back with the but, but Oro was controlling Hashirama BS.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

Oh, beating an EMS user after suppressing Kurama and taking control of him, then having his gay lover praising him, then being called a fairytale by a 23 year old guy justifying his Madara + Hashirama creating >>> Sealing Edo Hashirama and Tobirama (in their primes) and still putting up a fight with Oro at the age of 70, being called the God of Shinobi, and knowing every jutsu that existed in Konoha?

Some logic you use.

Are you actually calling madara weak? really?

How can they be equal if Hiruzen beat Hashirama already? This is fact and canon, Hiruzen beat Hashirama.

Hiruzen tracked down the two former Hokage and Orohimaru under Hashirama Senju's Bringer-of-Darkness Technique, I don't think even Sharingan could do that.

old Hiruzens final battle proved that they are not equal

Had orochimaru + 1st and second been fighting seriously you think hiruzen at 70 would have beat them ? no sir i dont think so +

oonoki vs hiruzen at age 70? if being 70 is so bad

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Re: Hiruzen hype and Hashirama hype

yup. hashirama beat the strongest uchiha in history who has the strongest susano:

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he also did this with the 100% kyuubi rampaging trying to kill him(which is the strongest tailed beast btw). even edo tensei madara is still giving praise to hashirama and he said that hashirama would give him a better challenge than the 5 current kage. nice try to underrate hashirama though.

The current Kage could destroy Hahirama low to med difficulty