Hiruzen Sarutobi: "The GOD of shinobi" arguments

[iknowwhotobiis]

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glad to know you think that kishi things minato was the strongest ninja ever (Y)


and go ahead and list those statements

i mean vegeta thinks so6p pales to the lord, what else is needed to say really?!

 

[Owarij]

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Tenten also said Neji was the strongest
I mean Kishimoto made her say it
And Kishimoto is never wrong

Please link the scan where tenten says neji is the strongest ninja in the ninja world -_- , tenten isn't stupid, neji was genin


I recall lee saying " I've said it before, on my team i probably have the strongest genin here...that man, neji hyuuga"

 

[Lordlloyd7]

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Hashirama all day!

 

[-Vegeta-]

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And last time I checked, we've never really been given much info about the bottom of Susanoo. o.o

And does the bottom look different in a full susanoo than it does a incomplete susanoo? Not from what I can see.

What it does change is that they alter what was said a bit to sound better in English, which is the same thing scanlators do, just with better writing. For example, Viz translated Tobi as saying that the Creation of all Things is made of Light Release and Dark Release instead of Yin and Yang.

Still doesn't change the fact that the viz scans are the official ones. You can keep going on about this all you want, but this will be my reply everytime.

And the whole point of me linking to a slightly old thread of mine was to show that is not [necessarily] the case.

And as I said until proven otherwise it is the case.

I think you should learn the difference between defending against something and circumventing it.

*Sigh* you simply don't get it.

And like I said before, there's no evidence Kishimoto writes those and the fact that he himself ALWAYS removes them from the Tankoban is evidence against him writing them.

And I'd love to see proof of Kishi saying he doesn't write them, so unless you have that then I don't want to hear about it.

glad to know you think that kishi things minato was the strongest ninja ever (Y)


and go ahead and list those statements

Gald to know you didn't bother reading my previous posts since I said I didn't believe it. That's why I used it as an example in the first place.

I just said I didn't feel like going through the hassle, but ok. I'll make a thread on it just for you later because I've got work in an hour.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

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Kishimoto, the author himself, disagrees with you:


Page 117: "He is such a genius ninja that he was even called the 'Professor', and he still garners everyone's respect as the strongest Hokage in history." (「„プロフェッサー”と呼ばれたほどの天才忍者であり、歴代最強の火影として皆の尊敬を集め続ける。」, "'Purofessā' to yobareta hodo no tensai ninja de ari, rekidai saikyō no Hokage toshite mina no sonkei o atsume tsuzukeru")

Page 119: "'Strongest in history', 'genius', et cetera, the words used to describe the Third Hokage are filled with respect." (「„歴代最強”„天才”など、三代目火影を形容する言葉は賞賛に満ちている。」, "'Rekidai saikyō' 'tensai' nado, Sandaime Hokage o keiyōsuru kotoba wa shōsan ni michite iru.")

Page 265: "The Third is called the strongest, even among the past Hokage, and he is even admired as the 'God of Shinobi'." (「三代目は歴代火影の中でも最強と言われ、„忍の神”と謳われたことも。」, "Sandaime wa rekidai Hokage no naka demo saikyō to iware, 'Shinobi no Kami' to utawareta koto mo")


And that's just in the 1st Databook. Both the 2nd and 3rd say the same as well.


People get a bit too worked up about matchups. Just because Hiruzen is factually stronger than Hashirama doesn't mean he could defeat EMS Madara + Kurama, but it also doesn't mean he couldn't (in his prime by the way). Hashirama was better suited to that battle since he too could control Tailed Beasts, and not to mention Mito sealed away Kurama.

Nice +Rep

People get confuse once they figure out Hashiramas powers

When the truth still stands

 

[yuan of cruxis]

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Please link the scan where tenten says neji is the strongest ninja in the ninja world -_- , tenten isn't stupid, neji was genin


I recall lee saying " I've said it before, on my team i probably have the strongest genin here...that man, neji hyuuga"

You just put words in my mouth, i never said strongest in the world
I said she call him the strongest

 

[Viewtiful]

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And does the bottom look different in a full susanoo than it does a incomplete susanoo? Not from what I can see.

And seeing things in this series has rarely been the end-all-to-be-all.

Still doesn't change the fact that the viz scans are the official ones. You can keep going on about this all you want, but this will be my reply everytime.

"Official", when it's they're translation of it. They DO alter it, meaning it's not perfect, but I'm not saying they don't [mostly] get it correct. They just change some things here and there, and it's not like they have to go to Kishimoto for every little thing considering they have the rights to produce the manga. And while you're going on about them being "official", why don't you take a look at what crap the "official" anime has done and said?

And as I said until proven otherwise it is the case.

So basically you don't know (as does no one else).

*Sigh* you simply don't get it.

Apparently you don't get it. Tobi cannot block/defend from this technique, which is what the databook says. Once he's been transported to the other dimension, he can simply escape with his

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. Again, I think you need to re-read the definitions of defending something and circumventing something.

And I'd love to see proof of Kishi saying he doesn't write them, so unless you have that then I don't want to hear about it.

The burden of proof typically falls on the person trying to prove something is the case, not the person showing that there's little evidence for it. And again, the 'proof' I brought to the table was the fact that in the corrected versions of the manga that Kishimoto releases (called the tankoban), ALL of those are removed, which leads to likelihood that they are added by someone other than he himself.

 

[bmnaruto]

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Yawn.

Simply means Hashirama was the perfect match for Madara. His abilities were suited to counter act what Madara had to offer. This links in with the debate:

A > B
B > C

Which does not mean A is greater than C. Hashirama being the only one who can defeat Madara because he was the only one at the time who faced of with him; Dan never had the opportunity to see if Hiruzen could counter Madara.

I also ask why you try and give credit to Dan's statement yet disregard what Iruka said about Hiruzen? Selective much?

Hashi is stronger than hiru, you know why? Because, do you think that hiruzen can handle the tailed beasts him alone? better think man. Madara is considered to be one of the greatest shinobi's and yet hashi defeated him. Don't just rely on what iruka said because he wasn't even alive at that time so he didn't see hashi's power. Common sense man! your'e the one who was selective. Only Hashirama can defeat madara. and if not, who will?

 

[yuan of cruxis]

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Hashi is stronger than hiru, you know why? Because, do you think that hiruzen can handle the tailed beasts him alone? better think man. Madara is considered to be one of the greatest shinobi's and yet hashi defeated him. Don't just rely on what iruka said because he wasn't even alive at that time so he didn't see hashi's power. Common sense man! your'e the one who was selective. Only Hashirama can defeat madara. and if not, who will?

And Dan wasnt alive during Hashiramas time

 

[-Vegeta-]

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And seeing things in this series has rarely been the end-all-to-be-all.

I never said it was, but you've provided me with zero proof or even implications when saying a full susanoo has protection from underground thus your statement isn't very valid in my book.

"Official", when it's they're translation of it. They DO alter it, meaning it's not perfect, but I'm not saying they don't [mostly] get it correct. They just change some things here and there, and it's not like they have to go to Kishimoto for every little thing considering they have the rights to produce the manga. And while you're going on about them being "official", why don't you take a look at what crap the "official" anime has done and said?

And you should know my response once again.

So basically you don't know (as does no one else).

I do know that Tobi claimed to be Madara while the real Madara was revived via edo tensei thus he can't be the REAL Madara like he claims. Could he be a clone? Sure, but definitely not the real thing. This is further implied when he says to Naruto just call me no one.

Apparently you don't get it. Tobi cannot block/defend from this technique, which is what the databook says. Once he's been transported to the other dimension, he can simply escape with his

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. Again, I think you need to re-read the definitions of defending something and circumventing something.

Fair enough.

The burden of proof typically falls on the person trying to prove something is the case, not the person showing that there's little evidence for it. And again, the 'proof' I brought to the table was the fact that in the corrected versions of the manga that Kishimoto releases (called the tankoban), ALL of those are removed, which leads to likelihood that they are added by someone other than he himself.

Implications don't qualify as "proof" my friend.



Anyway I've got work, so this is my last post.

 

[Viewtiful]

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I never said it was, but you've provided me with zero proof or even implications when saying a full susanoo has protection from underground thus your statement isn't very valid in my book.

And you've provided me with zero proof as to why a superior technique is going to possess the exact same weakness as it's lesser self; basically the manga has left that up in the air. The under-Susanoo weakness was said by Gaara to be the same as Sasuke's which at the time was also the imperfect version.

I do know that Tobi claimed to be Madara while the real Madara was revived via edo tensei thus he can't be the REAL Madara like he claims. Could he be a clone? Sure, but definitely not the real thing. This is further implied when he says to Naruto just call me no one.

I didn't say he was the sole Madara, which is part of what my thread says (I know it may be a bit much to ask you to go read that wall of text xd)

Implications don't qualify as "proof" my friend.

Fair enough.

Anyway I've got work, so this is my last post.

I've got classes, so the same for me.

 

[TheGr8Uchiha]

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Glad Hashirama is owning the poll!

 

[Uchiha AvengerX]

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Naw the title of "GOD" totally belongs to The Sage Of The Six Paths, we've never actually ever seen him, he supposedly "created ninjutsu" and has a following behind him in the 1,000,000s but nonw of them have ever really meet him....yep he's GOD. Hashirama is like Jesus and Hiruzen is like Moses lol



HOW IS 69 NOT OLD?!

it's probably coz it's the youth's favourite number, 69!!

 

[soulreaper11]

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well kishi pretty much screw up the storyline and this cause us to get new info that contradicts what was already stated. Ex:at first hiruzan was the strongest hokage now Hashirama is the strongest hokage and Minato was the only one who could use the flying thunder god now we find out that he had three bodyguards that he taught it to who at the time were still in the ninja academy. i personally think hiruzen is the strongest because the stronger evidence say so. He took on orochimaru,Hashirama and Tobirama he was able to defeat Tobirama and hashirama but lose to orochimaru (he took away oro hands). Everyone gave him a big hype in which he lived up to.:scorps:

 

[Jacob Uzumaki]

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What you said only makes Hashirama looks stronger.
Sarutobi when saw Kurama told everyone to wait for Minato... If he was such a strong old man as you say then he would be useful helping Minato handling Kurama and maybe, just maybe Naruto would have his parents alive...

You DUMB **** Hiruzen Had To ****ing Fight Kuruma Idiot... Know Your Shit Man!

 

[Exaar]

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Like what has been said a thousand times before, Kishi has said quite a few things that he later contradicted.Hiruzen being the strongest kage is one of them.

No it's not.

There is Nothing in the manga to Say he has "changed his Mind", Thats just a Mere Guess People are Making.

Untill It's stated in the Manga that Hashirama is the Strongest, Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage.

 

[tampangjames]

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I do not know why people keep saying the 3rd hokage beat the 1st hokage the truth was 1st hokage was not at full power because oro could not unlock the flower world because when madara used the flower world of the 1st hokage tsunade said that they unlocked the flower world when oro first used the 1st hokage he did not use his flower world jutus

 

[Unorthodox]

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i say hiruzen since he won they fight

 

[BasedBijuu]

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Have you people voting for hiruzen started reading shippuden I'm curious

 

[hatake89]

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hiruzen. he was able to hold his own against the 1st and 2nd at the same time and killed em both by unfortunately killing him self