Hiruzen (Prime) vs. Jiraiya

[Joki]

Prep time? what prep time?
he throws a ball in the air.. that's all... the moment the ball comes out , they start getting sucked up, so jiraya isn't getting anywhere

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If Deva has 1/6 Nagato's chakra it's going to take much longer than that or than it took when it was just Nagato...since you claim he's going to use Chibaku Tensei despite the danger to any other paths.

Jiraiya's Chou Odama Rasngan was formed after he jumped 100 meters and said a sentence in the time frame of his sandal hitting the ground from 1 inch off the ground. Deva Realm won't even have time to throw that ball before he gets blasted with a Chou Odama Rasengan or gets drowned in Yomi Numa.

That would be a fun scenario, he tries to throw the ball then finds himself 50 meters under the ground, the Chibaku Tensei ball sucks in all the earth around him and crushes him under the earth.

Let's pretend that Jiraiya isn't allowed to use Rasengan, since he wins too easily. Simple. Jiraiya grabs Deva with his hair and whips him into the sphere, he uses Yomi Numa on himself to stick himself to the ground. Hell the last part might not work, but Deva Realm will be crushed first and thus secures the victory.

 

[Owarij]

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If Deva has 1/6 Nagato's chakra it's going to take much longer than that or than it took when it was just Nagato...since you claim he's going to use Chibaku Tensei despite the danger to any other paths.

Jiraiya's Chou Odama Rasngan was formed after he jumped 100 meters and said a sentence in the time frame of his sandal hitting the ground from 1 inch off the ground. Deva Realm won't even have time to throw that ball before he gets blasted with a Chou Odama Rasengan or gets drowned in Yomi Numa.

That's sm jiraya's speed..You do know sm drastically increases speed,ninjutsu,genjutsu, taijutsu etc?... Jiraya needs a shit load of time to get into sage mode, and he has to run around with his hands clasped...


preta path can easily suck up his swamp

 

[Joki]

That's sm jiraya's speed..You do know sm drastically increases speed,ninjutsu,genjutsu, taijutsu etc?... Jiraya needs a shit load of time to get into sage mode, and he has to run around with his hands clasped...


preta path can easily suck up his swamp

A "shit load of time"? It barely took a minute if that, and Jiraiya could already move faster than Itachi or Kisame could detect in Part 1 without the use of any SM so it's not a problem.

Oh? But what happened to "Deva Realm solos," hmm?

 

[Tazzilla88]

What? Why are we arguing about Pain in a Jiraiya vs Hiruzen Thread?

 

[Joki]

What? Why are we arguing about Pain in a Jiraiya vs Hiruzen Thread?

Because he said Deva Realm could solo Jiraiya? Dunno

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Very well then, on topic:
Hype Hiruzen is basically on Hashirama's level so that goes without saying, if it's the Hiruzen we saw then it's a no brained in Jiraiya's favor, not much to it.

 

[Owarij]

A "shit load of time"? It barely took a minute if that, and Jiraiya could already move faster than Itachi or Kisame could detect in Part 1 without the use of any SM so it's not a problem.

Oh? But what happened to "Deva Realm solos," hmm?

lool,. Jiraya is faster than itachi
with that i realize arguing with you is useless...


Kakashi has one of the fastest 4,5's in the manga, praised by pain, tobi and many other people.. deva was still able to read his movements..

Itachi has a 5 in speed, you obviously don't know what you're talking about

 

[Joki]

lool,. Jiraya is faster than itachi
with that i realize arguing with you is useless...


Kakashi has one of the fastest 4,5's in the manga, praised by pain, tobi and many other people.. deva was still able to read his movements..

Itachi has a 5 in speed, you obviously don't know what you're talking about

Jiraiya also is a 4.5 and SM drastically increases every statistic, so your point is moot. Kakashi easily kept up with Itachi in CQC as well.

I never said Jiraiya was faster than Itachi (though he is), since you seem to think Itachi vastly outclasses Jiraiya's speed please do tell when he displayed suchamazing accomplishments in the speed category?

 

[naruttebayo]

i saw hiru fighting 2 hokages that's all for my opinion

 

[Owarij]

Jiraiya also is a 4.5 and SM drastically increases every statistic, so your point is moot. Kakashi easily kept up with Itachi in CQC as well.

I never said Jiraiya was faster than Itachi (though he is), since you seem to think Itachi vastly outclasses Jiraiya's speed please do tell when he displayed suchamazing accomplishments in the speed category?

lmao jiraya is faster than itachi lol

Databook says itself that itachi's SPEED is 5, that should already be a clear cut statement, itachi is faster than kakashi and jiraya..

In the manga itachi blitzed bee twice, Randomly appeared behind bee, and had to tell him he was behind him..

The other time, though naruto and bee were staring right at him, he shunshined and ended up at the top of them, once again bee had to be told where itachi was , and had a "?!!" in his speech thought bubble..

Of course the sensors , nagato and naruto knew where he was.. naruto can sense malice, so he knew what itachi was going to before he did it.. thus the "i know"

bee however was completely lost, both times... he couldn't keep up with itachi's speed what so ever....

I never said Jiraiya was faster than Itachi (though he is

Right now, you are out right denying kishi's statement that itachi is faster than both kakashi and jiraya..

wtf do you think speed stands for?

You obviously can't debate for crap, you use opinions and deny facts given in manga and databooks
try again

 

[Steinbiz]

OMG, we don't know what "prime" Hiruzen could even do. He probably wasn't all that much stronger. Prime Hiruzen was fighting Kurama with the entire leaf village and still having trouble until Minato showed up.

Everyone spoke about healthy Itachi being god. Well, he's and Edo now and he hasn't coughed up any blood or fallen to his knees from illness, WHY? Because zombies made from paper, ash, dirt and dust don't contain diseases or viruses. He seems top notch now being an Edo. And guess what, he's the same as he was before, just not puking after using Amaterasu anymore.

So prime Hiruzen was probably the exact same as when he fought Orochimaru, he probably just had a better chakra reserve seeing as he was younger. That's all.:sy:

 

[Steinbiz]

lmao jiraya is faster than itachi lol

Databook says itself that itachi's SPEED is 5, that should already be a clear cut statement, itachi is faster than kakashi and jiraya..

In the manga itachi blitzed bee twice, Randomly appeared behind bee, and had to tell him he was behind him..

The other time, though naruto and bee were staring right at him, he shunshined and ended up at the top of them, once again bee had to be told where itachi was , and had a "?!!" in his speech thought bubble..

Of course the sensors , nagato and naruto knew where he was.. naruto can sense malice, so he knew what itachi was going to before he did it.. thus the "i know"

bee however was completely lost, both times... he couldn't keep up with itachi's speed what so ever....

Right now, you are out right denying kishi's statement that itachi is faster than both kakashi and jiraya..

wtf do you think speed stands for?

You obviously can't debate for crap, you use opinions and deny facts given in manga and databooks
try again

bottom line, if you really rate a shinobi's strength with numbers, lol, you're doing it wrong.

 

[Joki]

lmao jiraya is faster than itachi lol

Databook says itself that itachi's SPEED is 5, that should already be a clear cut statement, itachi is faster than kakashi and jiraya..

In the manga itachi blitzed bee twice, Randomly appeared behind bee, and had to tell him he was behind him..

The other time, though naruto and bee were staring right at him, he shunshined and ended up at the top of them, once again bee had to be told where itachi was , and had a "?!!" in his speech thought bubble..

Of course the sensors , nagato and naruto knew where he was.. naruto can sense malice, so he knew what itachi was going to before he did it.. thus the "i know"

bee however was completely lost, both times... he couldn't keep up with itachi's speed what so ever....

Right now, you are out right denying kishi's statement that itachi is faster than both kakashi and jiraya..

wtf do you think speed stands for?

You obviously can't debate for crap, you use opinions and deny facts given in manga and databooks
try again

Bee also said, "I know already!" To Itachi each time when he told him. It's weird that he reacted to the scenarios as well especially the "above blitz" one, since you think he couldn't register it happening. Would you like me to go get scans of Genin replicating the same thing Itachi did?

Having .5 faster than someone doesn't make them faster or more skilled in CQC, I like how you ignored SM entirely. Considering Kakashi with his chakra halved with a 4.5 easily kept up with Itachi then I said your points were moot.

Your argument is "lol jiraiya faster than itachi lol ur retarded" and for whatever reason that's not going to do too well at convincing me that Itachi actually is faster.

 

[Steinbiz]

Bee also said, "I know already!" To Itachi each time when he told him. It's weird that he reacted to the scenarios as well especially the "above blitz" one, since you think he couldn't register it happening. Would you like me to go get scans of Genin replicating the same thing Itachi did?

Having .5 faster than someone doesn't make them faster or more skilled in CQC, I like how you ignored SM entirely. Considering Kakashi with his chakra halved with a 4.5 easily kept up with Itachi then I said your points were moot.

Your argument is "lol jiraiya faster than itachi lol ur retarded" and for whatever reason that's not going to do too well at convincing me that Itachi actually is faster.

agreed. although all top class shinobi can moslty keep up with other top class shinobi. I will say SM Jiraiya is probably faster than Itachi. Base Jiraiya has already shown great speed throughtout part-1. When you add SM into his arsenal, his speed is unreal.

right after using Goemon, he's already way up on the wall. note the height.

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here, he jumps from that height and is floor level within a fraction of a second.

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his fastest attack in his arsenal. only avoided because of Rinnegans linked vision.

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[Joki]

agreed. although all top class shinobi can moslty keep up with other top class shinobi. I will say SM Jiraiya is probably faster than Itachi. Base Jiraiya has already shown great speed throughtout part-1. When you add SM into his arsenal, his speed is unreal.

right after using Goemon, he's already way up on the wall. note the height.

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here, he jumps from that height and is floor level within a fraction of a second.

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his fastest attack in his arsenal. only avoided because of Rinnegans linked vision.

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Yeah, definitely underrated around these parts, I'm honestly pretty surprised when I see people saying "hurr Itachi beats Jiraiya" or "Itachi solo sannin hurr". Not to mention, the second link Jiraiya leapt and created the entire Chou Odama Rasengan before his sandal hit the ground from basically one inch. Not just floor level either but like 100 meters + to reach the Pain bodies.

The other dude already conceded that SM Jiraiya is way out of Itachi's league in speed though, I think it was base that we were discussing lol. Still.

 

[silmarill]

as we have only seen Old Hiruzen and have none feats or information about the so called (Prime Hiruzen) wich in this case is irrelevant bcs he is yet to be revealed "if it ever will be" so its a non factor
Jiraiya wins from what we have seen he would butcher the old man

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Kabuto said the Third was the strongest of the Hokage

no he didnt

Hiruzen he has all the ninjutsu in the village.

name 6 thats hes actually been shown to demonstrate

and kabuto forgot about chibaku tensei , thus his words
"Oh Right! I can just catch them and turn them into stars"

mistranslation

In the manga itachi blitzed bee twice, Randomly appeared behind bee, and had to tell him he was behind him..

no he didnt as bee was already completely aware

bee however was completely lost, both times... he couldn't keep up with itachi's speed what so ever....

he had nagato to worry about as well, so he cant be watching two people at once. that was edo itachi anyway

Hype Hiruzen is basically on Hashirama's level

hype hashirama is above everyone's level

It's his strongest technique. Konan was begging him not to use it. He obviously has hardly ever used it. He has to deactivate all of his other paths. It shortens his lifespan

it only did that because hed used up most of his power already