Hiruzen knew he was stronger than Hashirama and Nidaime reunited

[TrollingSage]

There first time meeting each other.....

Hashirama and tobirama are his masters... he knows all about them. and still made a comment about defeating them...

While when kakashi stood infront of oro, he was scared as shit

Hiruzen being the student of the senju brothers doesnt really mean he knew the full extent of their powers. For e.g Naruto was Jiraiya's student and yet he didnt find out about sage mode until the frogs taught him after Jiraiya died.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

obviously hiruzen doesnt know of hashiramas strength. hashirama didnt show hiruzen his full power.

this is backed up by the manga

this:

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is nothing compared to this:

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Don't bother using manga to show people. Hiruzen fans believe he was god of shinobi so that means > hashi,rinnegan madara,tobirama,oonki, 3rd raikage

Also when it comes to nagato they say kabuto was controlling him but when it comes to oro they are like yh he beat both of them. It is obvious the hashi we saw with oro's edo tensei was nothing to the real thing. But leave them.

 

[Imperius]

it shows only enma capabilities to push kyubi. despite being old hiruzen could push back kyubi out of the village with his strength + enma combined. to hold such a blunt heavy staff that could extent like that u need somewhat strength.

yes, wielding a staf is so impressive, hello, this isn't the naruto it used to be, now it's meteors and eyes that give you the abilty to summon a 100 feet tall samurai

 

[TheSages456]

it shows only enma capabilities to push kyubi. despite being old hiruzen could push back kyubi out of the village with his strength + enma combined. to hold such a blunt heavy staff that could extent like that u need somewhat strength.

of course hiruzen is strong but he didnt show anything new that puts him above his part 1 counterpart. the staff has already shown the ability to extend. not to mention the hiruzen shown in the nine tails attack is 13 years younger than the hiruzen that fought the nerfed shodai and nidaime. this version of hiruzen hasnt shown anything that puts him above part 1 hiruzen.

 

[Yo pappy]

No, Hashirama was revered as the strongest of his time...big difference


Anyway, Kishi might change his mind in the near future (with a retcon) but until then canon is canon.

This is the way I look at it. Madara fought Hashirama at full power, and Madara is currently fighting all of the current Kages including Onoki who is from Hiruzens era (and arguably better than Hiruzen). With all of that in front of him, and having the time to analyze each Kage he still considers Hashirama to be superior. Shouldn't that speak some sort of volume? Granted Hiruzen is not included, that still should paint a pretty good picture as to who is the stronger Hokage.

 

[TheSages456]

Don't bother using manga to show people. Hiruzen fans believe he was god of shinobi so that means > hashi,rinnegan madara,tobirama,oonki, 3rd raikage

Also when it comes to nagato they say kabuto was controlling him but when it comes to oro they are like yh he beat both of them. It is obvious the hashi we saw with oro's edo tensei was nothing to the real thing. But leave them.

i agree. some hiruzen fanboys swear that the old hiruzen shown in part 1 can beat part 2 hashirama and part 2 tobirama at the same time. part 1 hashiramas mokuton didnt even fully fill up the sound 4s barrier and hiruzen said that it was hashiramas full power then hashirama in part 2 is said to be able to create forests in an instant and change landscapes with his mokuton to such an extent that maps had to be redrawn and hiruzen fanboys swear that he knows hashiramas full power.

 

[Shinozgr8]

of course. who cares about the power scales? hiruzen was confident BEFORE they started fighting. BEFORE we saw the power scales. that being said, he was very knowledgeable of their techniques and still felt more than confident that he'd win against BOTH of them, almost like he's faced them before. hiruzen > hashi. hiruzen > tobi

he had the same "god of shinobi" title that the sage had. and ppl knew about him. yet they still bothered to give him that title. he was the strongest kage at the time of his old age. he was trained by both the 1st and the 2nd. immense amounts of chakra, and used very little when using jutsu. a prodigy of his generation. i don't see why ppl can't accept he's the strongest hokage...

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

They ride the Hashirama hype but disregard Hiruzen's. It makes little to no sense.

I don't give a shit about hashi, I can just use my brain and realise hashi and madara are in a different league from other shinobi and kages. As madara has stated anyway.

But lemme not use my common sense and use hiruzen fan logic hiruzen was called god of shinobi so he is he is above hashi rinnegan madara and is next to the sage of six paths :rofl: _O-

God of shinobi and your hiruzen fans can't realise this is a false title I am even un sure to compare hiruzen to oonki and 3rd raikage but wait god of shinobi I forgot

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Not sure if it was real or not, but someone gave you a link to an interview with Kishi and SJ. That should have been enough if it was real.

And guys, this is just turning into another Hiruzen-Hashirama thread. Hiruzen was strong, and Hashirama was strong. We barely seen Hashirama, and we haven't seen Hiruzen prime. Can't we just let it go? :\

No because kishi does this thing were he makes real rivals around the same level sasuke naruto, hashi madara, kakashi gai. And from this no one is no where nearrrrrrrrrrrr madara but if he says hashi is :shrug: I have to believe him
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Hiruzen > hashi, rinnegan madara,tobirama,kabuto, tobi,oonki,3rd raikage,the list goes on

No hiruzen fan should even argue against me if you dare you contrdict your self because that would me hey ok maybe what he was known as doesn't actually mean he was.

 

[Blaze Release]

Hiruzen fanboys are just as ridiculous as hashirama fanboys along with this thread.
Hiruzen before he fought orochimaru he said "A shinobi that can stand up to him doesnt exist in the village", MOST LIKELY INCLUDING ME";

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Prior to this he said and i quote "If the time comes we will assemble our strength and fight". This was to do with the oro scenario still;

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He is the leader of the village. Do you think that before an enermy who is stronger than him, he would cower in fear. Off course not. After saying what he said about nobody strong enough in the leaf to stop oro including himself, when the time came he didnt look one bit scared at all;

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That is just how it is. Even though Hiruzen said what he said before the fight. When the time came you dont expect the head of the village to suddenly cower in fear of the enemy, if anything he would do the opposite and that is exactly what he did.

As for the Hashirama & Tobirama issue im a big believer of what jiraiya said here;

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That is the advantage that students often have over their sensei's

 

[Dragon1]

Guys, guys, can't you understand Kishi just changed his mind about this?

 

[BloodSeed]

Hashirama was trolling, and was not used at his full potential, and if you say otherwise you're wrong, not because you're disagreeing with me - but because you're wrong. Hashirama > Hiruzen. Any day of the week.​

madara was also toying..... but with the 5 kages. 5, hashirama and friends are toying against 1 kage and they lose :rofl:

 

[Shinozgr8]

Hiruzen fanboys are just as ridiculous as hashirama fanboys along with this thread.
Hiruzen before he fought orochimaru he said "A shinobi that can stand up to him doesnt exist in the village", MOST LIKELY INCLUDING ME";

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Prior to this he said and i quote "If the time comes we will assemble our strength and fight". This was to do with the oro scenario still;

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He is the leader of the village. Do you think that before an enermy who is stronger than him, he would cower in fear. Off course not. After saying what he said about nobody strong enough in the leaf to stop oro including himself, when the time came he didnt look one bit scared at all;

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That is just how it is. Even though Hiruzen said what he said before the fight. When the time came you dont expect the head of the village to suddenly cower in fear of the enemy, if anything he would do the opposite and that is exactly what he did.

As for the Hashirama & Tobirama issue im a big believer of what jiraiya said here;

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That is the advantage that students often have over their sensei's

just wanted to point out in the first part that you misquoted. he said "most likely doesn't stand up to him NOW" as in present tense. which of course, he knows because he is out of his prime...just pointing that out. i believe it makes a difference in contrast to what you thought he said...

 

[TrollingSage]

madara was also toying..... but with the 5 kages. 5, hashirama and friends are toying against 1 kage and they lose :rofl:

Madara would be dead if one of the kages know DRS. Just saying

 

[yuan of cruxis]

This is the way I look at it. Madara fought Hashirama at full power, and Madara is currently fighting all of the current Kages including Onoki who is from Hiruzens era (and arguably better than Hiruzen). With all of that in front of him, and having the time to analyze each Kage he still considers Hashirama to be superior. Shouldn't that speak some sort of volume? Granted Hiruzen is not included, that still should paint a pretty good picture as to who is the stronger Hokage.

He never said Hashirama could beat all them

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Guys, guys, can't you understand Kishi just changed his mind about this?

you seen Kishi diary about that?

 

[TheSages456]

He never said Hashirama could beat all them

yes he did

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[LegendaryAce]

There first time meeting each other.....

Hashirama and tobirama are his masters... he knows all about them. and still made a comment about defeating them...

While when kakashi stood infront of oro, he was scared as shit

he is a hokage he aint meant to be acting all scared he knew what he had to do..and i am sure he knew he will die with them thats why he had to act

all il say is had we seen hashi's best techs and tobi's s/t and his best water jutsu's and they still lost and oh if orochimaru was actually fighting seriously too and he won then he would be the best but seeing as how they were playing around and he didnt show enough to prove that he could beat them ..then i am afraid he has nothing on hashirama...by current known techs hashirama >> hiruzen

 

[gordo1]

Oro didn't use them to their full potential. Done.

 

[BloodSeed]

hashirama cant be the strongest coz he had a tag " THE STRONGEST OF HIS TIME" HE WAS LIMITED TO HIS TIME " HIS TIME HIS TIME"

 

[Blaze Release]

just wanted to point out in the first part that you misquoted. he said "most likely doesn't stand up to him NOW" as in present tense. which of course, he knows because he is out of his prime...just pointing that out. i believe it makes a difference in contrast to what you thought he said...

No, no, no, what you said is irrelevant because the whole post was to show that just because sarutobi didnt show any fear when the time can doesnt mean anything. Ive already noted the 'NOW' part and didnt feel the need to eleborate on that because its old hiruzen we were talking about from the start