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Hiruzen is better than Tobirama at Suiton by feats.

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startup97 said:
OK. I will tell you why Hiruzen is powerful.
Anyone who is trusted by Hashirama and Tobirama to protect the village during the wars is bound to be powerful. It's common sense that he is worthy of the title Hokage since it was given to him by 2 monsters of Hokages. Learning the skills and knowledge from the 1st and 2nd, Hiruzen was able to get the village through 3 Great Shinobi World Wars. Having the longest reign of Hokage. 40+ Years.
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"Named "The Professor: [...] The origin [of this nickname] lies in him knowing thoroughly all the jutsu that exist in the village and also being able to use them easily at will."

His ability in Ninjutsu is excellent as he is able to use all of the Leaf village's Non KKG Jutsu of his time which include the famous Ino–Shika–Chō with Kage Bunshins, unparalleled mastery in all the 5 Elements the ability to use the vicious 8 Gates and mastery over all forms of Shinobi combat such as Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, Genjutsu, Fuuinjutsu and Kenjutsu. Hiruzen has also shown the ability to discern which technique a person intends to use after observing the hand seals which gives Hiruzen the ability to come up with a proper counter measure for the technique before it's released.
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This kind of knowledge makes him an extremely versatile ninja who is capable of countering almost anything thrown at him.

His intelligence is amazing as he is able to deduce Obito's mysterious substance only moments after witnessing it, stating that it was similar to the kekkei tōta but the attack's shape is dynamic, so it can be used offensively and defensively, and that it is even beyond kekkei tōta. He also was able to deduce that there is a limit to the duration of transformations the substance can hold for.
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The misconception here is that this was Hiruzen's best attack against Obito when clearly all he meant to was analyze his offensive attacks. Sasuke even notes this.
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His expertise in close quarter combat is excellent because literally after sealing parts of his soul away in the Reaper and using up almost all his Chakra, Hiruzen was able to easily disarm the Kusanagi Blade from Orochimaru and catch him in close range.
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Using these scans, I am positively sure of the existence of a technique that can either negate summonings or Ninjutsu in general.

You can see when Hiruzen says " I must do something about the third one" and he clasps his hands together indicating that he has activated a jutsu to stop the third coffin from appearing.
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This is further proven when in this scan he says " I was able to stop the third one"
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Despite many not agreeing with me, Hiruzen has made himself very relevant in the recent chapter due to being the last Edo Hokage standing and being the only one defending the Shinobi Alliance with the 5 Kage.
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Kishi will make him play an important role. He must have realized that he kept Hiruzen in the dark for too long and decided to take out the other Hokage out of the battle so he can have his moment.
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didnt read but im not saying he's not powerful . . . .just not in top ten. not to mention this
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the bigger jutsu doesnt always win or even men its better
 
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what the ANBU said about Tobirama's water jutsu is only "unbelievable" that does not mean that Tobirama is the best with
water jutsus to begin with. Also, the noteworthy thing he did is using his jutsus without a source of water, but that has been changed later on part 2, so everyone and their mothers do that now, there is absolutely nothing impressive about Tobirama's water jutsus feats honestly. Even people like Darui, Mei, and some fodders show greater feats with water than Tobirama, and let us not talk about Kisame.

Tobirama supposedly meant to be great with water jutsus, but then kishi changed his mind, and make him a weaker copy of Minato (from a reader prescriptive since we know about Minato first)
 
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Dr Doom said:
I was about to take a crap on another delusional Hiruzen fan. But that picture of Madara made me laugh. Lmao

OT: no, Hiruzen's old ass is not even top 15...that panel of Kabuto saying he was the God of Shinobi is too much. Do you people understand that writers change up points they made early in the story all the time? Foolish human.
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I'm about to face desk right here. I thought the fact you were Dr Doom might've been your saving grace, but I see you can't read, like everyone else :3
 
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Hiruzen is at a disadvantage when compared to Tobirama, Hashirama and Minato, because we never get to see Hiruzen in his prime. We've heard that he was incredibly strong, but we've never seen him in action, not even in a flashback.

Still, he's the only shinobi in the world (that we know of) able to use all five basic nature transformations without having the Rinnegan (or shenanigans like Kakuzu stealing hearts). So his reputation as "The Professor" seems warranted.
 
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KingHashirama said:
Easily in Top 10.
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please explain how he beats
naruto
sasuke
obito
madara
harashima
3rd raikage
4th raikage
guy with seven gates
Minato
Itachi
Nagato
The kage before oonik what is he the 3rd?

i only believe that he could possible beat minato and guy which still doesnt put him in top ten
 

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SSJ Vegito said:
I'm about to face desk right here. I thought the fact you were Dr Doom might've been your saving grace, but I see you can't read, like everyone else :3
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*yaaawn* That the best you got? Trying to insult people's intelligence by saying we can't read when you know damn well everyone on this base should have a decent degree of reading skills? Lame. I read everything you said. Hiruzen's Suiton is bigger blah blahh. You compare a page showing from afar, perspective panned out of him using suiton. So what? That could be a above average Suiton. Heck Kisame can probably do that doesn't mean it's better. That's like saying Sasuke's Katon is better than Madara off of one page so what. All you're trying to do is wank Old Ass Man Hiruzen low-key. You know that right? I mean look at all these Hiruzen fans coming to defend their man. Posting silly pictures and such. C'mon son.
 
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Dr Doom said:
*yaaawn* That the best you got? Trying to insult people's intelligence by saying we can't read when you know damn well everyone on this base should have a decent degree of reading skills? Lame. I read everything you said. Hiruzen's Suiton is bigger blah blahh. You compare a page showing from afar, perspective panned out of him using suiton. So what? That could be a above average Suiton. Heck Kisame can probably do that doesn't mean it's better. That's like saying Sasuke's Katon is better than Madara off of one page so what. All you're trying to do is wank Old Ass Man Hiruzen low-key. You know that right? I mean look at all these Hiruzen fans coming to defend their man. Posting silly pictures and such. C'mon son.
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We are posting facts. Your just denying them because you don't want to accept that this old man can defeat the majority of your favorite characters.
 

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Pretty soon this is gonna turn into a top 10 thread I feel. I'm kinda guilty of this too as in earlier comments I brought up top 15. But still Character Wanking and Top 10 usually go in hand in hand that's what I'm gonna call this as...character wanking. Lmao I'm starting to like Hiruzen fans though. Illogical as hell but they usually post hilarious pictures/memes.
 
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startup97 said:
We are posting facts. Your just denying them because you don't want to accept that this old man can defeat the majority of your favorite characters.
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Lmao!!! I probably have like 2 favorite characters. If you think then by all means good for you. Yay. I could care less if he could defeat "my favorite characters" or not. I don't care about facts. Some of the facts you posted seem to come from you imagination and wishful thinking. Where does it say he can use 8 gates or Ino's KKG? Got a manga scan by all means show it man.
 
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