Hashi, naruto, sasuke and madara are exceptions to the rule. They're not strong based off hard work/gifted genius. They're strong because they're reincarnates of 2 of the most powerful people in history. Their chakra is lined with power by default.
Hiruzen and Orochimaru
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HiddenSound
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Then Tsunade > Tobirama
Mei > 2nd Mizukage
A > 3rd Raikage
Kankuro > Sasori
That rule Kishi uses is bullshit.
its a plot
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patrickscott
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Let me just shut every Hiruzen hater up right now
Point 1:
Hiruzen's Knowledge in battle is unparalleled, Sasuke is sharp but couldn't handle Killer Bee without his accidental New found Amaterasu. Naruto cannot be compared to either Hiruzen or Sasuke in terms of battle sense and Knowledge. If you disagree with that go suck a d**k.
Point 2:
Hiruzen fended off Kurama with no inherited powers, he was old and i dare to say he used pure skill and no burrowed power or technique. He's not a jinchuriki or an uchiha, he is an old fashioned ninja pure of talent.
Point 3:
He can use all 5 elements at the same damn time. Naruto nor Sasuke can currently do that without their Rinnegan or Tailed beast burrowed power up. He has no tail beast backing him up.
Point 4:
No one on this Damn Naruto basecan say that they have seen every single jutsu hiruzen can perform. So shut up and Respect the man who made Oro, Tsunade, and The one and only Jiraiya who tought Naruto the one you all praise his signature move. So suck it up and deal with it.
Point 1:
Hiruzen's Knowledge in battle is unparalleled, Sasuke is sharp but couldn't handle Killer Bee without his accidental New found Amaterasu. Naruto cannot be compared to either Hiruzen or Sasuke in terms of battle sense and Knowledge. If you disagree with that go suck a d**k.
Point 2:
Hiruzen fended off Kurama with no inherited powers, he was old and i dare to say he used pure skill and no burrowed power or technique. He's not a jinchuriki or an uchiha, he is an old fashioned ninja pure of talent.
Point 3:
He can use all 5 elements at the same damn time. Naruto nor Sasuke can currently do that without their Rinnegan or Tailed beast burrowed power up. He has no tail beast backing him up.
Point 4:
No one on this Damn Naruto basecan say that they have seen every single jutsu hiruzen can perform. So shut up and Respect the man who made Oro, Tsunade, and The one and only Jiraiya who tought Naruto the one you all praise his signature move. So suck it up and deal with it.
Mattek2008
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I believe in both. Fact is, we haven't seen either of them fight at full potential, so only time will tell. Still though, Old Hiruzen <<< Orochimaru.
who are you to say if any of those are wrong...?
Tsunade has chakra to spare with several kage several times over, monster strength, taijutsu mastery and regeneration.
Mei can't take out trollkage because? Joki boy doesn't ever need to explode because she can keep it cool. She surpasses him several times over in suiton. his illusion won't save him from an atmosphere of acid that will kill him regardless of whether mei can find him or not... not lik ehe can find her if she tosses up hidden mist.
^^ Those are just both a case of severe underrating.
Don'y see why Ay isn't stronger than his dad. He took a chidori to his chest and got a little scratch, so he's very durable. He's farrrr faster than his dad. He's able to cut off hachibi's horn. 3rd raikage still lost to SM naruto at the end of the day. This guy is one overrated character on here. people talking about "nothing can penetrate him except his own attack"
Why can'y kankuro be > sasori? 1 of his puppets is sasori lmfao, and 2 others are sasori's mother and father. He even contended with sasori in the manga. People overrate sasori.
Tenasa Uchiha
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