Hiruzen, analyzed in a way no one has

[ChrisWolf]

But then anybody could use any jutsu but they dont

Wtf? Not everyone knows every jutsu in the leaf like hiru that's the whoe point! Lol now I'm done with this you have no more argument your just reaching now lol

 

[Scooby Doo]

Wtf? Not everyone knows every jutsu in the leaf like hiru that's the whoe point! Lol now I'm done with this you have no more argument your just reaching now lol

Ok but whats the point of being able to use every jutsu and not using them... And f.e. Kakashi should learn every jutsu too.

 

[ChrisWolf]

Ok but whats the point of being able to use every jutsu and not using them... And f.e. Kakashi should learn every jutsu too.

He only didn't want to use edo tesei because of moral qwiffs! And that has nothing to do with the point of this thread anyway lol that's the last I'm saying, you can have the last word if you want but idc go ahead

 

[Scooby Doo]

He only didn't want to use edo tesei because of moral qwiffs! And that has nothing to do with the point of this thread anyway lol that's the last I'm saying, you can have the last word if you want but idc go ahead

Dont get angry until now we could argue quite well. According to Pain people can never understand each other I believe you the manga said he could use every jutsu then it must be true (except kekkei genkai but then its still not every jutsu)

 

[ChrisWolf]

All I know is if you pick up a piece of paper and write down "a boy fell in a well" its the dumbest thing ive ever heard of for anyone to argue and say " according to that paper that boy did not fall in that well" if the author says it then of course it's true because you are debating facts that are written in a fictional world given by the creator of that world.

 

[FlyingThunderGodHax]

to even be able to use the eight gates capably (Gai and Lee level) you need very extended body training and they are mostly for taijutsu users since it's not possible to execute regular ninjutsu while using the eight gates it would severely wound you or flat out kill you.

Hiruzen didn't know Rasengan he said so himself i believe Jiraiya, Kakashi, Naruto and obviously Minato are the only ones.

No matter if you use Shadow clones or yourself the death reaper seal takes you're soul since the clones are part of you're soul.

When you use the 8th gate you will die, no matter how conditioned you are.

 

[Scooby Doo]

All I know is if you pick up a piece of paper and write down "a boy fell in a well" its the dumbest thing ive ever heard of for anyone to argue and say " according to that paper that boy did not fall in that well" if the author says it then of course it's true because you are debating facts that are written in a fictional world given by the creator of that world.

Well if god exists then this world is quite contradictory too...but its off topic and religion I know. But Kishi is just a human like us he can make mistakes and its not clear how Hiuzen is the strongest. But he can show it in the future then I'll believe him. And i know this thread is not a vs thread. I was just arguing that the manga stated something (that Hiruzen could use every jutsu in Konoha) but there are certain jutsus he couldnt for sure (f.e . kekkei genkai).And Kabuto once said that Hiruzen is said to be the strongest kage and now he said that Hashirama is the no1 of all time.And thats a contradiction.

 

[ChrisWolf]

Well if god exists then this world is quite contradictory too...but its off topic and religion I know. But Kishi is just a human like us he can make mistakes and its not clear how Hiuzen is the strongest. But he can show it in the future then I'll believe him. And i know this thread is not a vs thread. I was just arguing that the manga stated something (that Hiruzen could use every jutsu in Konoha) but there are certain jutsus he couldnt for sure (f.e . kekkei genkai).And Kabuto once said that Hiruzen is said to be the strongest kage and now he said that Hashirama is the no1 of all time.And thats a contradiction.

He never said that hashi was number one of all time! And the fact that he couldn't use kekkei genkai is implied! Only an idiot would use tat as an argument, and Ik your not an idiot

 

[Scooby Doo]

He never said that hashi was number one of all time! And the fact that he couldn't use kekkei genkai is implied! Only an idiot would use tat as an argument, and Ik your not an idiot

Kabuto said that in the anime (ship.ep.256) Thank you for saying I'm not an idiot.