Hiruzen, analyzed in a way no one has

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First off this isn't a hiruzen vs thread so their shouldn't be any flaming,trolling or fanboying and this thread shouldn't get closed. I've been seeing a lot of hiruzen vs threads lately especially hiruzen vs hashi threads and it's all stimming from iruka saying he was the strongest hokage. So let's do a completely logical and thorough analysis of hiruzen.He was obviously much stronger in his prime which is how everyone's using him in their arguments, in his prime...

so let's discuss what that means. First of all he had a lot more chakra which means he could use many different and larger scale jutsus at once, plus make many shadow clones.Secondly he mastered every jutsu in the leaf which means with more chakra and all that jutsu he could combine shadow clones with sealing techs large scale fire style jutsu with wind style, water style with wind, he could use shadow shuriken techs and mix fire and wind style with those....

we can also assume that in his Prime he would of been able to use the 8 gates very well as well since that is a jutsu of the leaf so you combine all these techs and more coming one after another then you realize he can attack in a variety of different ways allowing him the perfect strategy for every situation. Thirdly after seeing his massive earth wall against Edo tobi and his large firstyle tech we can surmise that in his prime with more chakra he could use a variety of more large scale jutsu and combine them using them consecutively for more effect, so maybe he isn't
Quite as large scale of a fighter as madara or hashi but you can see how in his prime he could make up for it or come close.

Fourthly in his young age he would of been much quicker and more agile which means he would be able to use other techs much easier then the older version we saw against oro so that does giver him a slight more advantage then the 69 year old version we saw. Fifthly he has enma, enma can transform into a large Bo staff which can change size and length and seems to be extremely powerful and durable.....in his young age, no, in his prime hiruzen would have been a serious beast with it.

Going by all these details, not counting the reaper death seal, I say he could put up a better match against hashi or madara in his then any other Kage at this point in the manga....I wont give you my full opinion on that matter because this isn't a versus thread and I don't want it to get closed or for any flames to start. Now let's talk about reaper death seal, I could be mistake but he sealed the 1st and 2nd inside of shadow clones using this tech and it seemed as tho it only sealed himself when he used himself against oro so could it be possible to use the reaper death seal against opponents with shadow clones and have no harm come to yourself?

This is just a question and theory, even if this isn't possible I have already given you enough reasoning up their to make my point. But if we discuss this and this is possible then we can easily see how hiruzen prime who could use multiple shadow clones (according to the Anbu in white watching his fight with oro) could be the strongest hokage. Even if not I
Believe I have made good enough points to prove he could at least matchup quite well with the op characters of naruto. No flaming or disrespect please, if I am wrong in any of these points then please explain how, I would love to learn. :)
 
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It's too hard to read. Space it out, and use paragraphs. Also, I don't think this will change anything. Don't even talk about the Eight Gates or Rasengan, like are you serious?
 
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It's too hard to read. Space it out, and use paragraphs. Also, I don't think this will change anything. Don't even talk about the Eight Gates or Rasengan, like are you serious?
Why not talk about 8 gates or rasengan? Used in the right timing they could be very effective and also I'm sorry their is no spacing but I'm using my ipad and I cant space like that for some reason
His knowledge on certain other characters also gives him an edge. Good thread, +rep.
thank you
i stop taking hiruzen and hashi threads seriously now.
this isn't hiruzen vs anyone lol I'm just making an in-depth analysis of hiruzen so threads like that will get better, this gives people more to think about when it comes to hiruzen.
 

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It's too hard to read. Space it out, and use paragraphs. Also, I don't think this will change anything. Don't even talk about the Eight Gates or Rasengan, like are you serious?
this.
also, where does it state that chakra reserves deplete with age?

other than that, im sure he was really op but not hashirama level op but it's anyone's guess atm
 

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Why not talk about 8 gates or rasengan? Used in the right timing they could be very effective and also I'm sorry their is no spacing but I'm using my ipad and I cant space like that for some reason.
What I meant was, is that there's no proof that he could use Rasengan or even the Eight Gates, of course they'd be useful but I don't see Hiruzen using any of them >.>
 

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this.
also, where does it state that chakra reserves deplete with age?

other than that, im sure he was really op but not hashirama level op but it's anyone's guess atm
Not trying to start another argument here but it was stated that he no longer had the stregnth or the stamina when he got older.
 

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also, where does it state that chakra reserves deplete with age?

other than that, im sure he was really op but not hashirama level op but it's anyone's guess atm
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Hiruzen could not use any of his high level jutsu or anything, because his chakra levels were too low
 

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What I meant was, is that there's no proof that he could use Rasengan or even the Eight Gates, of course they'd be useful but I don't see Hiruzen using any of them >.>
i dont think he could use rasengan... but idk.
i might see him using gates
Not trying to start another argument here but it was stated that he no longer had the stregnth or the stamina when he got older.
that's true...
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Hiruzen could not use any of his high level jutsu or anything, because his chakra levels were too low
wow, its been a long time... + rep =DD
 

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to even be able to use the eight gates capably (Gai and Lee level) you need very extended body training and they are mostly for taijutsu users since it's not possible to execute regular ninjutsu while using the eight gates it would severely wound you or flat out kill you.

Hiruzen didn't know Rasengan he said so himself i believe Jiraiya, Kakashi, Naruto and obviously Minato are the only ones.

No matter if you use Shadow clones or yourself the death reaper seal takes you're soul since the clones are part of you're soul.
 
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What I meant was, is that there's no proof that he could use Rasengan or even the Eight Gates, of course they'd be useful but I don't see Hiruzen using any of them >.>
That's true but he did know every jutsu in the leaf that's why he was called the proffessor, so we have to assume he knew them
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Hiruzen could not use any of his high level jutsu or anything, because his chakra levels were too low
yes thank you, that's what I was talking about.
 

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this.
also, where does it state that chakra reserves deplete with age?

other than that, im sure he was really op but not hashirama level op but it's anyone's guess atm
Are you one of the people that skips the talking scenes and cuts to the action?

Cause in Hiruzens final battle it was stated more than once that old age was the reason his chakra reserves were so low
 
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Yay! Thank you for posting more crap that we've seen more than 10000 times in the last two days :hug::hug:
Lmao I feel your pain believe me but let's keep this friendly so the thread doesn't get closed too quickly
to even be able to use the eight gates capably (Gai and Lee level) you need very extended body training and they are mostly for taijutsu users since it's not possible to execute regular ninjutsu while using the eight gates it would severely wound you or flat out kill you.
Hiruzen didn't know Rasengan he said so himself i believe Jiraiya, Kakashi, Naruto and obviously Minato are the only ones.

No matter if you use Shadow clones or yourself the death reaper seal takes you're soul since the clones are part of you're soul.
ok thank you, I agree although I forgot where he says he doesn't know rasengan, ca you show me where? He could have been body trained for 8 gates although we don't know for sure, and the reaper death seal thing was just a crazy theory.
"Analyzed in a way no one has"
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sorry I couldn't space with my iPad but it doesn't take that long to read it. S
 
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